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Continent pages[edit]

Moved from Wikitravel:travellers' pub by Evan

Half of the continent pages (North America, Europe and Asia) are divided into (1) Sections, (2) Popular Destinations, (3) Countries and (4) Other Destinations. The initial idea was to differentiate real countries under the Countries header and other territories like colonies, outlying territories, etc. under the "Other Destinations" header. Without the "Popular Destinations" there I see no problem. But the current divisions are somewhat confusing: the differentiation "Countries" vs. "Other Destinations" is not obvious, and it's easy to think that there are "Popular Destinations" on the one hand and "Other Destinations" on the other. I think there are two possible solutions:

  1. We rename "Other Destinations" ("Territories" or something else?)
  2. We regroup the "Countries" and "Other Destinations" into one division ("Countries and Territories"?)

My personal preference is no. 2 because on this level it is not really that important to know if something is a territory or a country. DhDh 12:36, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)

Actually, the solution I'd prefer is just not to have the "Popular destinations" section. I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense at the continent level. If it's required, we could rename it to "Cities", like we do for popular cities in Countries or Regions. --Evan 16:10, 9 Feb 2004 (EST)

Creating the project page[edit]

So I created the page with very rough outline... not that it's of urgent importance, but I noticed today how all over the place the different continent articles were and already made a few changes to them, so just trying to standardize it a bit, and maybe establish what sections we do and don't need on those pages.

I left out a few on this template, and I'm thinking the "buy" section could probably come out as well... feedback and section rewrites encouraged... ::: Cacahuate 08:00, 20 January 2007 (EST)

We're still all over the place on which section headers to use for continent articles. Have we made any progress? --Peter Talk 05:35, 23 January 2008 (EST)

related pages[edit]

and, I've added the travel topics on the Australasia page to the "related" box, but should they also still be included within the article? ::: Cacahuate 08:19, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Cities & OD´s[edit]

I just noticed that these are being re-added to some of the continent articles.... just wanted to start a discussion to see if everyone thinks they are necessary.... if so, we should add to this template and make it official  :) I lean towards not.... I think continents are too gigantic for a list of 9 cities to be relevant.... I think people will look at these articles for choosing a country to go to, but I think below that is irrelevant and clutters these pages.... Personally I like the continent pages to be short and concise.... general overview of the continent, things to know if you´re traveling through large swathes of it, things that apply to all or most of the countries within like types of transport, etc.... but otherwise.... thoughts? – cacahuate talk 20:09, 22 December 2009 (EST)

I wonder why we even have a "continent" article template in the first place. A continent is just a region, just a top-level one. You're right that it's hard to choose nine cities or destinations, but when people look at a region, they probably want to visit somewhere in that region. When looking at the Netherlands, big chance I want to see Amsterdam. I think the same logic applies for continents. Many Americans visit Europe, big chance they want to see Paris or London. I think these sections can show the best cities and destinations a continent has to offer, and a good first start for a traveler preparing a trip to an interesting continent. Globe-trotter 20:28, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Well I don't think they hurt, And I actually think OD's could potentially be really useful if well thought through and done right. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 20:52, 22 December 2009 (EST)
I agree with Globe-trotter, and I think we'll do ourselves a big favor by making good examples of the most prominent region articles, to encourage writers to improve the rest. --Peter Talk 22:10, 22 December 2009 (EST)
The cities and ODs are not meant as suggestions but as shortcuts. It's so the traveler can jump right to a destination of interest. Anyway, there's really no need for this template since we have all of the continent articles we're ever going to have (or so we would hope). =) LtPowers 22:26, 22 December 2009 (EST)
I also think that, although we may not expect someone to search from the continental level, since the continents are linked from the Main Page, people will definitely use them for navigation that way, so they are important. ChubbyWimbus 01:01, 23 December 2009 (EST)
This template was made so that there is a standard to refer to, outlining what we do and don't want continent articles to be.... I created it when there was very little info in the cont articles as a base for discussion.... at the time they were all over the place :) It seems everyone thinks that cities and od's are useful here, so it shall be :) – cacahuate talk 12:14, 26 December 2009 (EST)

See & Do[edit]

Since we're talkin, how about "See"? Do we think it's reasonable to have, or will this only become an extension of the OD & city sections? – cacahuate talk 12:14, 26 December 2009 (EST)

I think it should be just like other regions, and they also feature a See section. It's obviously harder for a continent, but there is certainly something to be said. People go to Asia for it's tropical islands, beaches, Asian cuisine, unique cultures, etc. I think certainly something of that could fit in the See section of the continent. People to go Africa to see its cultures, animals, etc. Europe has a unique style of architecture, medieval historic town centers, Latin America has amazing remains of Native American cultures, etc. Globe-trotter 15:12, 26 December 2009 (EST)
I suppose time will tell if it can be done in way that doesn´t act as an extension of the 9 cities and od´s – cacahuate talk 16:14, 26 December 2009 (EST)
Africa#See is shaping up pretty nicely. We didn't have see sections for country articles for a long while too, but I can't imagine why (any other travel guide would certainly provide a page or two discussing the types and highlights of attractions in a country...). I just wrote Iraq#See, with which I'm reasonably happy not having actually traveled there. And yes, it will be in a sense an extension of the OD & City sections, but those are there principally for the purpose of navigation—"see" gives us an opportunity to add some depth, and to mention some less well known destinations that didn't make the 9x9. --Peter Talk 10:06, 14 January 2010 (EST)

Understand[edit]

In continents, should Understand be at the top (like Europe) or below regions, cities and ODs (like Africa)? --globe-trotter 12:24, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Rarely is a continent a user's primary destination. (Europe may be the main exception to that). Given that, it's most useful to the traveler to have the countries or continental sections listed prominently on the page for navigation ease. We moved the Understand section on country pages primarily to push the map farther down and out of the way of the quickbar. =) LtPowers 16:37, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

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