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Hello! Welcome to Wikitravel and thank you for creating an article for the Royal Suklaphanta National Park. As the content was copied, I had to remove it all. I added the article template though, are you planning to add original content to it? If not we may just mention the Park in the region article instead, to avoid an empty article page. To help get you started contributing, we've created a quick contribution guide and tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Looking forward to seeing your edits! Adzas (talk) 06:36, 2 May 2014 (EDT)

Nepal[edit]

Hello, I noticed that you removed a large amount of text from the Nepal article. Was there any particular reason for that? Please let us know! Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2014 (EDT)

Dear Adzas, there is no any text deleted. The new article was added - Suklaphanta Wildlife Reserve. It is not a National park. The text i posted in this new article is written by me, copied from word file.

Far West Nepal[edit]

Hello! I saw that you contributed mainly to this article. I nominated it, however, for deletion because of the following reasons:

  • I don't see it being in line with our Region Categories on Nepal page. It all has to be nicely organized on Wikitravel and before creating any new region pages, it should be discussed within our community. Let's do it right now and decide if we need the page or not.
  • It does not follow our standard template for regions.
  • Lots of content is copied from other pages. We only accept original content on Wikitravel

I will wait for your response before deleting the page. If something is unclear, please let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:30, 2 May 2014 (EDT)

Dear IBAlex hello, Thanks a lot for your msg and comments.
*Far-western Nepal is really one of 5 regions of Nepal, which needs information given about. It is lack of information one can find about the attractions and touristic destinations in this region. According to the wikitravel rule i started creating this article by creating the link on Nepal page. There are many mentioning to find about this region.

For example here:

"Belahia, Bhairahawa (Rupandehi, Western Nepal)
Jamunaha, Nepalgunj (Banke, Mid Western Nepal)
Mohana, Dhangadhi (Kailali, Far Western Nepal)
Gaddachauki, Mahendranagar (Kanchanpur, Far Western Nepal)"

I am sure that travel community will be thankful to find information in wikitravel about this region. I am working in tourism and travelling a lot. By coming to War West Nepal I was trying to find info, but information whether not up-to-date or not accurate at all. That's why lets do this region page be.

  • we can adjust it to the standard/ template for regions. The only thing i changed, i put "understand" in the bottom of article. The rest is according to the template. the text i prepeared in word, so they have been written by me and my friend.
  • By the way, another user was editing this page is friend of mine. I didnt know how to upload the pictures, and he uploaded i guess one of them. But we can do it from one account. So we were not aware about that rule.
Let me know what do you think by having this region page. thanks. —The preceding comment was added by ValTum (talkcontribs)
ValTum, thanks for getting back to me. Happy to hear you want to help and develop the page. What we need, however, is the structure. Please look at the region section on the Nepal page. Regions here are already categorized. Where in relationship to this already existing order would you put Far West Nepal? Would you added it as a subsection? If yes, where? Thank you! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 21:22, 2 May 2014 (EDT)
Good Morning IBAlex, thanks for your answer. Having the existing order at the region section on the Nepal, Far West Nepal could go together with [1]. However [2] covers only a couple of destinations located in the the southern part of Far West Nepal. The thing is that the current region structure on the Nepal does not cover attractions in the Western part of hiily area nor western part of Himalayas. The current structure region on the Nepal made according physiographic division of Nepal, but not the regions or the current touristic routes or transport connectivity, entry points and so on, that's why i guess it was difficult for the author to write "get in", "get around", "talk" and so on. Maybe to fit Far West Nepal to the current structure we could relink Far West Nepal at [3] first. Thanks for your support, and kind regards, Valeria —The preceding comment was added by ValTum (talkcontribs)
Dear IBAlex, i have found the page to http://wikitravel.org/en/Mid_Western_Nepal (it is neiboring region to FarWest Nepal). Ok, it is not finlized though, but we can try to put some more information here also. —The preceding comment was added by ValTum (talkcontribs)
Hello Valeria! Thanks for your messages! I appreciate that! Since Western Tarai covers some of the destinations from Far West Nepal, how about we add them to Western Tarai and the rest of the content from Far West Nepal will be added to other regions, Middle Hills ?? If this sounds like a good idea we can do the same then with Mid Western Nepal. In this way we will avoid having two different ways of categorizing regions in Nepal. We want to have everything neat and organized in our guides so that traveler don't get confused. Please let me know if this solution sounds good to you. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:22, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
Hello IBAlex, Thanks for your reply on it. What we can do is, we can add information on attractions in the current categorization, we can work on adding the attractions from FarWest in existing regions: Western Tarai, Middle hills, Himalayas. But i am thinking it would be difficult to add info "get in" and some other important things, which are specific for Far West Region and so imporntant for visitors (different langaugues, accessibility and so on) What is saying against to have both categorization? It is like with USA. They have it on bigger rigions on the main page about USA, and then every state has separate one. So, NEpal can have it like this and to each of 5 regions??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_Regions_of_Nepal. Thanks on your opinion to this solution. Kind regards —The preceding comment was added by ValTum (talkcontribs)
Hello! Thanks for your message! We cannot have 2 different categories for the same country because it will make our guides unorganized and travelers will be confused. USA page has just one categorization- 13 regions and within each region we have sub-regions (states) and then again within the states we have even smaller regions. I would like to see something like that on the Nepal page as well. We don't concentrate on administrative regions. Region articles tend to be more "soft", discussing the people, culture, climate, and cuisine in the region, rather than the legalistic stuff that's in a country article. Here is a template that explains that in more details.
So, the question right now is which categorization describes better cultural regional divisions of Nepal? I'm not an expert here:) Are you in Nepal? Do you know it well?
Here, I can give you the rationale for the current regional categorization that users discussed before. The user that created the regions says: I've done a lot of reading, and got to the following region scheme (based off the elevation regions): Kathmandu Valley, Himalayas, Middle Hills, Western Tarai, Eastern Tarai. I followed the mountain ranges as they give an indication to the traveller what kind of landscape to expect in the area (and thus what to do there). Also, these geographic boundaries have led to cultural boundaries as well, so the traveller can more easily grasp the historical, cultural and ethnic differences of Nepal. I split the Tarai range up, simply because there are a lot of towns there. I considered a similar split for the Middle Hills, but there is not much to do in the "Eastern Middle Hills", so instead I chose to take the Kathmandu Valley out of there (as it's a major tourist destination by itself). Of course changes can still be made, so I'm always open for comments.
Knowing that we always have the traveler in mind, what do you think would be best solution here? Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:47, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Let's continue this discussion on Nepal talk page. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 15:16, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

User AACS[edit]

Hello! I see that your account and user's AACS account come from the same IP. Please know that having multiple accounts on Wikitravel is against our rules and if you own both of them we will have to delete one. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:32, 2 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello IBAIex,

  • yes, another user was editing this page is friend of mine. I didnt know how to upload the pictures, and he uploaded i guess one of them. But we can do it from one account. So we were not aware about that rule.

Thanks for keeping this page further. We hope to may keep on editing it, and hope to have it great region page!! thanks


Copied content[edit]

Hi again! I just wanted to advise you that we don't allow copied content on Wikitravel. All the content has to be original or rewritten from other websites. Therefore, I have to delete all the copied content from the Khaptad National Park page you created. Please feel encouraged to add your own words to the article. If you have any questions, please let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2014 (EDT

Hi IBAlex, the texts me and my friends compiled, they could not be copied from other sources. They have been written by friend of mine, than edited already so many times. Maybe if you would give the source, where the text might have been copied. Thanks, IbALex.
Hello ValTum, looking at this edit made by IBAlex I found that part of what was deleted could also be found here and here. Please do not copy and paste from other websites. Thanks, GiulioC (talk) 04:42, 9 May 2014 (EDT)
Hello! I also removed some copied content (Flora and fauna, same website as mentioned above). I also removed some of the accommodation listings, as they are not located in the Park, the article should contain info about what is in the Park only. Those removed listings should be added to articles about Silgadhi and Jigrana Village, if someone decides to create those articles. They seem too far away (2 day hike) to be included here. We greatly appreciate all your efforts so please do continue to edit and just communicate with us if any questions. Thanks! Adzas (talk) 11:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello Adzas, Hi, we are the same authors who made the texts for farwestnepal.org, but we will try to rewrite for the guide in wikitravel.org. Regarding accommodation in Jigrana and Silgadhi. there is no car road on the way to Khaptad NP from Silgahdi, that's why it is important to know for visitors, that on the way the should not have their tents as there are accommodations in Silgadhi and Jigrana as well. Afte Silgadhi there is only village on the way, and it is important to know that there is an accommodation and teahouse in Jigrana especially, it is actually the entry point to Khaptad NP. Thank

ValTum, thank you for clarifying that. However, please know that we just cannot accept content that is the same on other websites (even when the authors are the same). There are 2 main reasons for that:
  • Different copyright license on those 2 websites. Farwestnepal.org is copyrighted. It clearly says Copyright © 2013 Far West Nepal. All Rights Reserved. Website by Idealaya. This means that Internet users cannot just copy the data from your website and redistribute it on other pages. Wikitravel on the other hand has a Copyleft policy. It means that users can redistribute our content on the Internet as long as they provide attribution. Hence, those 2 websites are not compatible and cannot have the same content.
  • Secondly, every time we paste a copied content from another websites, it affects negatively our Google page rank. Google perceives us as a mirror and would not push our Nepal articles high in the search results when travelers look for info about that region. We obviously don't want that.
I hope you understand now our position and would be willing to rewrite and change the content that you previously inserted. As always, we are very grateful for your willingness to improve our pages about Nepal. Our users appreciate it! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

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