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This is an archive of discussions on my talk page from 2008. No further edits should be made to this page.


Happy New Years![edit]

I felt like saying...between you and Gorilla Jones, you two successfully created 10 star articles this year. Congratulations! Looking forward to more in '08... PerryPlanet 22:09, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Closings[edit]

So you don't have to slog through my mass of recent edits to find them - Mas in Chicago/Wicker Park and Cafe Suron in Chicago/Rogers Park are closed, and I deleted a bar in the Chicago/Near South that had virtually no description or info beyond the address. Gorilla Jones 16:17, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Oh, and the Uptown map still needs Spacca Napoli. Thanks! Gorilla Jones 17:44, 5 January 2008 (EST)

partial revert re Meson David[edit]

Re [1]: looks like the user's experience is radically different from the previous recommendation. Why don't we help him to incorporate the opinion / to discuss the matter in Talk? --DenisYurkin 14:30, 6 January 2008 (EST)

The welcome[edit]

Thanks Peter - I like holidays & I like Wikis - maybe I can help a bit! Cheers --Herby talk thyme 09:36, 7 January 2008 (EST)

BTW don't know what you guys do about open proxies but both user:72.232.199.50 & user:59.77.21.250 look like open proxies to me and were placing porn links - is there an admin board or whatever? Cheers --Herby talk thyme 09:45, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Blacklist[edit]

Try (m|M)(i|I)(k|K)(e|E).*(m|M)(e|E)(t|T)(t|T)(e|E) ~ 203.144.143.4 06:38, 9 January 2008 (EST)

You might also want to add m-ikemettedefensefund\.org (without the hyphen) [2] - the above should catch it, but probably worth adding this too just in case ~ 203.144.143.4 12:40, 9 January 2008 (EST)

If you'll be around to re-protect it in 5 minutes, could you unprotect it? ~ 203.144.143.4 15:18, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Sure. Btw, the phrase you suggested cast too broad a net. For some reason it caught up this edit. --Peter Talk 15:21, 9 January 2008 (EST)
I think the problem was an extra blank line that crept in - I think it blacklisted every page, regardless of content. Anyway it's back in again now and everything seems to be OK. If it all goes pear-shaped, just revert the lot. Thanks. ~ 203.144.143.4 15:43, 9 January 2008 (EST)
BTW - did you mean to delete the dtdbxd0\.cn line [3] - ?

Penza Oblast[edit]

"Penzenskaya Oblast" looks like an alternative name - how about incorporating it as Penza Oblast (Penzenskaya Oblast) is a region in... or something like that? Then if someone searches for either "Penzenskaya" or "Penzenskaya Oblast" (which I'd guess must be possible/likely as that's the name of the Wikipedia article) the Penza Oblast article will show up. ~ 203.144.143.4 01:40, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Doesn't the redirect serve this purpose? I purposely avoided transliterations of adjectival names, since that goes against general English naming conventions. --Peter Talk 02:09, 11 January 2008 (EST)
The redirect does help, albeit in a rather roundabout way if you "Search" as opposed to "Go". Anyway, I think it's definitely worth having some form of ultra-simple confirmation on the page that the two names do refer to the exact same place - lots of people will have absolutely no idea what an adjectival form is. But I'll leave it up to you - thanks for the explanations. ~ 203.144.143.4 02:27, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Nice!
Just curious - why <i> instead of '' - ? ~ 203.144.143.4 02:31, 11 January 2008 (EST)
I don't know exactly what was going on, but I hit all sorts of awful formatting problems using the wiki markup for italics. In part, at least, because the ' is necessary at the end of oblast' to denote the Russian character ь. --Peter Talk 02:33, 11 January 2008 (EST)
I had a play with it, but best I could come up with was ''Penzenskaya oblast' '') which leaves an unwanted space thus: Penzenskaya oblast' ) ~ 203.144.143.4 02:43, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Could you take a look at the (...Vologodskaya oblast’) bit of WikiPedia:Vologda Oblast - is that acceptable? ~ 203.144.143.4 12:20, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Travel guides in Russian[edit]

Dear Peter, I have wrote many articles or made a significant contibution)in Russian Wikipedia (Budapest, Madrid, Barcelona, Florence). Now I started to write articles in Russian Wikitravel. To my opinion, its level is too low. I can contribue due to my experience. The countries I visited are: Switzerland, UK, France, Spain, Czechia, Hungary, US, Italy. I can write also in English or Hebrew. See my Wikipedia page at [4]--Aklyuch 22:44, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Morogoro[edit]

Hi - I made a few edits to the entry for Morogoro, Tanzania, but they don't seem to show up. I looked at the history of the page and saw your userid. It looks like you're an experienced user of this site (I am not) so I thought I'd ask - did I do something wrong in trying to save the edits ? Do I just need to wait for someone to approve them ? I have many more edits for Morogoro, but I thought I'd wait until the first batch go through. Could you please reply at [deleted] ? Thanks. - Albert


Peter - Thanks for explaining. I'll continue to update the Morogoro site. My plan is to move everything from the REDOUBT site to WikiTravel - no sense in hoarding the data when there's a great site like this. Thanks. - Albert


Hi Peter - Living in Morogoro, it's quite useful to have the cell numbers of a few local taxis handy. I think this would quite legitimately be useful information for travelers. However, it seems quite strange to put someone's primary phone number on a public web page. Also, I was thinking that because there are literally hundreds of taxis in the area, it could get to be quite ungainly to list them on the main page. That led me to wondering if there is a precedent for this situation, and I figured that you might know. Thanks, - Albert

traveler vs traveller[edit]

I thought "traveller" was already well established as the default for Wikitravel - see Main page, etc. ~ 203.144.143.8 22:49, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah, we've been schizophrenic on that because Evan for whatever reason grew up using the English spelling. Like I said, it's not something I care too much about—I'd rather see a policy that encourages spellings local to the destination, so I'm not a big supporter of the American-only rule. --Peter Talk 22:52, 18 January 2008 (EST)
OK to continue standardising on "travell..." then? ~ 203.144.143.4 22:56, 18 January 2008 (EST)
standardizing :=) --Wandering 23:18, 18 January 2008 (EST)
No chance - if it's from one non-supporter of the American-only rule to another non-supporter of the American-only rule, then it's definitely with an s. ~ 203.144.143.4 23:23, 18 January 2008 (EST)
Well, again this is just my view and it's not a policy, but for me the most important thing is the consistency within a single locale. What exactly constitutes a single locale is up for debate, of course—I would argue that any collection of articles that would conceivably wind up in a single book (were such a book to be written) should have a purely consistent spelling/punctuation format. So I would definitely oppose "traveller" changes to Chicago, for example, because there is a published guide that needs to maintain consistency in (American) spelling. All this is not really in line with policy, though. It might be useful to bring this discussion to Wikitravel talk:Spelling, which is a policy I think could anyway benefit from more discussion and review. --Peter Talk 00:19, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Sleep section header in region articles[edit]

Hi, Peter. I noticed that you "restored" a Sleep header to the Arizona article. I believe it is policy that region articles do not have a Sleep section. In my experience that is good policy as everyone wants their listing in the highest geographical level for better exposure, but leaves us sorting huge lists to lower levels where they belong. -- OldPine 07:43, 19 January 2008 (EST)

No kidding! --Peter Talk 15:05, 19 January 2008 (EST)

DC[edit]

If we're going to move the DC article, should we move it to Washington, D.C. and mind our commas? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:24, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Ah, good point, and thanks for catching me early! --Peter Talk 17:26, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Get in or Get out?[edit]

Peter, please tell me where to put the Khachmaz departing bus schedule?

To me, it seems it belongs in the "get out" section, but another user said it belongs in the "get in" space. Please advise.

Thanks,Starvinghog 01:24, 31 January 2008 (EST)

New user question[edit]

I am trying to add information about Norskedalen (where I work) to Wikitravel. Being new to this, I did create a user ID to disclose that the information comes from our non-profit rather than a traveler. I added to the 'See' section of Southwest Wisconsin (which is where I saw your name). I am not sure I did it right; the 'See' changed fonts and I didn't touch that, it has a 'link example' in blue at the end of the paragraph, and I wasn't sure if I should create a separate page for Norskedalen? I was just hoping you might give me a bit of guidance if you would be so kind. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Svennorsk (talkcontribs)

Chicago[edit]

Hi, thanks for the heads-up about the external links policy in Wikitravel, I'll be sure to follow it from now on. Please dump anything I added that may be inappropriate. Still, I hope the link to my Blues Brothers map might remain – I know of many fans of the movie who have used it as the basis of self-guided tours of the city, which is an interesting way to get off the beaten path. Best regards, Kevin Forsyth 11:14, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Typo patrol[edit]

'Bridgeport' has a typo in the map title here. Gorilla Jones 15:13, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Ack! Should now be fixed. --Peter Talk 15:25, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the communication to the guy starting hotel articles. I though I did that, but I guess it got lost in the database problems. OldPine 18:08, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks![edit]

For the offer of help. I will no doubt take you up on it! And thanks, too, for all your great contributions to the site! (and for your patience with the tech issues that are being worked on).JuCo 18:38, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the compliment on the San Diego overview map! Course, I got the idea from seeing one on the Chicago page... PerryPlanet 20:04, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Hello![edit]

Why do you want to delete the page of båtOpplevelse AS? Did I do anything wrong? I am new to Wikipedia and try to follow the rules. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Runhild (talkcontribs)

Hi, I left you a message on your talk page. First, this is not Wikipedia, this is Wikitravel. Second, we basically only write articles about travel regions and cities/towns. Please see Wikitravel:What is an article? for more information. --Peter Talk 18:09, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks[edit]

Peter - thanks. I was starting to plan my annual vacation and stumbled on Wikitravel. It seems to be a worthwhile effort, and I do a little traveling that might be of use to the site. Brhumphreys 23:37, 24 February 2008 (EST)

heya peter i stand corrected[edit]

you were right obama has a hotel mccain doesn--71.254.108.151 20:47, 26 February 2008 (EST)t hope your not mad but i did add southern pines has a inn.

ka[edit]

Did you only pick up your Georgian in Georgia or did you learn it from other means? I'm curious, because I'd like to pick it up for fun.

If you don't mind me asking, what brings you to Toledo? I've been there once around this time of the year and if I'm not mistaken, it's the worst place to be on Earth. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 13:33, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Well, count me in on the vote for Ohio. I'm in Cincinnati and wished I could do campaigning, but without a car that's a tad difficult. I actually got to see/hear Obama at the University of Cincinnati a week or so ago. I'm glad that I got to go to that. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 14:10, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Texas subdivisions[edit]

Hi there! Since you've been there recently, I'd appreciate any commentary or contributions you might have on the recent work I'm doing to do subdivide the Texas Panhandle into more digestible-sized chunks. Also, I'll check out the new photo submission as soon as I'm not at a work computer that blocks Flickr. Texugo 01:26, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Talk at Russian section[edit]

Прошу вас обратить внимание на вашу страницу обсуждения в русском разделе Wikitravel. -- 03:19, 6 March 2008 (EST) ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev

The Bears[edit]

So, the bears at Cabela's did not eat you? 2old 10:06, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Maryland map[edit]

Thanks a bunch for the map! I'm really excited to have that sort of quality content in Maryland. One question, though: shouldn't Talbot County be in the Eastern Shore? That's where it was in the Maryland tourism site I took the regions from. --Jonboy 19:29, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Yes! Cecil County. Good thing I don't have to re-take my 4th grade Maryland geography test. (Which I thought was ridiculous, since I had no intention of living here as an adult. Hah!) I'm happy to help out as much as I can. I'm spending the whole of March here (first month w/o travel in 3 years), so I'd be happy to pitch in with any Maryland/Mid-Atlantic projects. --Jonboy 20:56, 6 March 2008 (EST)

I realize this is a little picky, but shouldn't DC be shaded the same not-Maryland color as the rest of the not-Maryland part of the map? Until we have retrocession, it's probably a little less confusing that way. --Jonboy 12:22, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Looks good, although I can't figure out how to get it to re-load from cache, so I had to go onto shared to look at it. Last December, I explained to a cab driver in Singapore that I was from just outside the capital, and he thought I was from New York. --Jonboy 13:36, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Palo Duro Canyon photo[edit]

Hey, would you be willing to put the photo of the Lighthouse formation into the article for Palo Duro Canyon? Texugo 01:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Stars[edit]

No hoopla, but the quest begun last May is complete — we made Chicago a star. A moment of shared triumph, then... Gorilla Jones 00:16, 8 March 2008 (EST)

WorldFlicks external linking[edit]

Sorry, I just wanted some discussion on several pages on linking to WorldFlicks pages. I think it fits with the external linking policy, I don't see any point where it doesnt fit. I posted in on 10 popular places to get some good discussion... Where should be the best place to run this discussion? RonaldR 16:15, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Favor[edit]

I'm a pain-in-the-ass about license issues, but could I ask that you waive the requirement for me to attribute you for this version of the Maryland expedition? I'd like to copy this over to other language versions and on en: too, but I'd likely forget to continually attribute you. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 19:25, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Absolutely, consider it licensed as CC ShareAlike. The attribution requirement can be an unnecessary little thorn sometimes... --Peter Talk 19:31, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Talk at Russian section[edit]

Питер, пожалуйста, ответте мне в ru:Обсуждение участника:Peterfitzgerald и ru:Обсуждение участника:Sergey kudryavtsev -- 10:24, 14 March 2008 (EDT) ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev

Ireland Maps[edit]

Peter, I think I've messed up the Ireland maps (serves me right for messing with something I know nothing about!) I was trying to change the spelling of two of the towns shown on the road map, changing Moneghan to Monaghan and Carrick on Shannon to Carrick-on-Shannon. Is it something you can fix up easily, or have I made a complete mess of it!??! Sorry. --The.Q(t)(c) 10:45, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Peter, firstly, apologies for the delay in getting back, but it was St. Patrick's Day yesterday, and the whole country (it seems) made a long weekend of it! Thanks for the assistance, and for allowing me the opportunity to fix it myself, hopefully I have it right now. Gee, but it's a complicated process, isn't it? Or have I just made it so? --The.Q(t)(c) 11:35, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

borders for Rome districts[edit]

Hi, Peter. I am about to sort out some part of listings in Rome; before I start, just to make sure: do you think there are high chances that you can help with definition of district borders for Rome in the nearest weeks? If so, I will postpone my edits until there some consensus on districts appear; otherwise I can plunge forward immediately with a dozen or two of moves that are clear even for a present district structure. What do you think? --DenisYurkin 04:09, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I can definitely help! My attention is, as always, divided between different things, but don't wait on my account—I'll join the effort. --Peter Talk 11:17, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
I've done all I could do: moved Trastevere-based establishments from Rome into their district article. With the rest, it's not so easy. I have a dozen or two of good places around Pantheon and Campo di Fiori, but before we have some consensus on borders of districts there, I plan to add my listings directly to Rome--but maybe you have a better idea? --DenisYurkin 03:28, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Dear Peter , please don't merge the Roman districts into a few districts because Rome is so different and full of history that have to be explained in every part of it ! For example with the merged version the Trevi Fountain is located into the Modern Rome ?!?!? or Aventino and Testaccio are merged but they are completely different , the Testaccio one is a popular district of Rome meanwhile Aventino is a luxury district for diplomates !!! I could continue for hours...I was born in Rome and I live in Rome adn this week-end I'll make a rational work into this section and I'll add several information about every district. Ciao Borisgiulivi 10:39, 16 October 2008 (CET)

Saint Petersburg (Russia)[edit]

Просматривая по вашему совету Chicago, я наткнулся там на раздел "Tourist Information" и понял, что я не рассказал о нём в русской статье. Сейчас я добавил раздел "Информационный центр для туристов" в ru:Санкт-Петербург и прошу вас добавить аналогичную информацию в Saint Petersburg (Russia) и обследовать английский раздел сайта www.saintpetersburgvisit.ru на предмет полезной информации для англоязычных туристов. Вам, как иностранцу, более понятно что именно нужно добавить в английскую статью. -- 05:33, 17 March 2008 (EDT) ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev

Хорошо. Я собираюсь мало-помалу переводить информацию с русского раздела на английский – в особенности мне хотелось бы полностью переводить так называемые «полные статьи» о тех местах, для котоырх соответствующие английские статьи являются недоразвитыми. Однако надо признаться, что я здесь занят другим проектом надо признаться. А будьте уверены, что содержание русской статьи о Питере в конце концов будет переведен! --Peter Talk 17:14, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Maryland revert[edit]

Umm...did you mean to revert your comment on Talk:Maryland, or just the color change? --Jonboy 16:37, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for havin' my back! --Peter Talk 16:55, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Status change for Virgin Gorda[edit]

I'm new to Wikitravel editing, and would like some guidance. I think the Virgin Gorda article can be upgraded from "Outline," but should it be "Usable" or "Guide?" RogerR 17:01, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Spam filter[edit]

Hi. I reverted your changes to the Wikitravel:Local spam blacklist because they seemed to match the phrase "some...travel" (or something similar) and prevented the editing of San Diego. See shared:Tech:Cannot_edit_San_Diego_page_due_to_faulty_spam_filter. --Jonboy 12:38, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

OK, I'm doing a quick test. --Peter Talk 12:50, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Map of Ballymote[edit]

Thanks for the comments. I've updated it a bit, now, does it look any better? By the way, I've left the following question on Wikitravel_talk:How to draw a map:

Hi. I'm in the process of trying to make a map for Sligo, and I'm getting on OK (I think), but I'd like some advice on how to show two specific things
1. How do I show a pedestrianised street? The main street in the centre of Sligo (O'Connell Street) was a regular road until about a year ago, but is now pedestrianised. How do I show drivers that this road cannot be used by car now?
2. As anyone who has ever tried to navigate Sligo by car will testify, it is a confusing (to say the least!!) mix of one-way streets. How do I show the only direction fo travel on any particular road?
Many thanks. --The.Q(t)(c) 11:18, 27 March 2008 (EDT)}}

--The.Q(t)(c) 11:29, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Travel news[edit]

Питер, добавте, пожалуйста, в Travel news:

В Санкт-Петербурге с 1 апреля 2008 года повышены цены на городской общественный транспорт: на метро -- с 14 до 17 рублей, на автобус, трамвай и троллейбус -- с 14 до 16 рублей.

PS: Кстати, надо бы нам и в русском разделе завести такую Ленту новостей. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 15:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Не дождался, потому добавил сам, проверте пожалуйста мой английский в Travel news#Transport taxes in Saint Petersburg was raised. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 04:02, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Texas second level subregions[edit]

Since you commented on it before, I'd love it if you could give your opinions on the current discussion at Talk:Texas. Thanks!! Texugo 22:49, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Templated listing layout problem[edit]

You do wikitravelpress, so I know layout matters to you. Is this is bothering you too? Texugo 00:37, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Sri Lanka[edit]

Hi Peter

I'm planning a trip to Sri Lanka in August. Given the terrorist activity through out the country, so you think I should cancel my trip and go somewhere else? I was told that if we avoid public transport and stick to the south we should be fine.

What are your thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.154.50.124 (talkcontribs)

Hmm, I'm no expert on Sri Lanka, having never been there myself. I have had a few friends travel there without incident, although that was years ago. The best advice I can give is to stick to the South/West, but you already know that ;) Generally, my attitude is that terrorism should not be a real concern for anyone traveling outside of Iraq—street crime in the average American city is almost always a greater danger than exotic terrorism. --Peter Talk 17:13, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Chicago: Wicker Park map[edit]

This isn't totally urgent, but I thought I should just point out that the Handlebar is located on North Avenue; on the map it is incorrectly placed on Division Street. Eco84 14:27, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for catching that! Should be corrected now. --Peter Talk 17:10, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Russian section needs administarative actions[edit]

Питер, срочно защитите спам-фильтр руссского раздела! Diff вандала - на вашей странице обсуждения. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 15:09, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Sheki[edit]

Peter,

What do you think of the Sheki site now? What else can be improved? Cupcakecommander

iNFORMATION ON FAR SOUTHEAST SIDE OUTDATED!![edit]

Your info on the southeast side of chicago is right on, except for the fact that a lot of the stores and restaurants no longer exist. You also forgot to mention Calumet Fisheries on East 95th Street (Where the Blues Brothers jumped the bridge) Mexican Inn on 95th and Ewing Avenue Heinies Fish and Chicken (outstanding shrimp and gizzards) The Shedd , for a cocktail or O'Hara's Bar, The Crowbar. There is no bowling alley, comic book store....

Hey cool, help me out on this! The Far Southeast Side is huge, and I definitely know certain neighborhoods better than others. Please go right ahead & delete any places you know have closed, and I'll try to get those suggestions in and on the map! There's a ton of cool stuff around there, I'll be sure to check out Heinies ;) --Peter Talk 02:20, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Embassies and consulates[edit]

Питер, скажите, в какой статье надо описывать посольства и консульства - в статье об этом городе, где они находятся, или же в статье о государстве? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 16:14, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Если я не ошибаюсь, мы всегда описываем их только в статье о городе, в котором они находятся (но не в статьях о районах). --Peter Talk 16:26, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
А тогда почему они не описаны в статье о Чикаго, одной из лучших статей английского Wikitravel? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 01:47, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
Потому что больлшинство статьи было написано двумя Американцами, которые очень забыли это сделать ;) --Peter Talk 03:40, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

User:Peterfitzgerald's disgusting and ignorant Russia slander ;)[edit]

You have very Ignorant and biased information on Russia. Just becuase you were treaty badly does not mean others would be. Yor information you posted was disgusting and no bounds of truth. Shame on you for your lies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.118.148.170 (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry that what you read offended you. First, I did not write the information about MinVody that you object to, but I regardless think your content removal there was unwarranted. In any rate, I will respond to your concerns on the appropriate article talk pages. Moreover, in the time that I lived in Russia I do not think I was treated better or worse than any other time in my life (а я даже бы сказал, что Россия – мое самое любимое место, в котором я когда-нибудь жил). --Peter Talk 03:23, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
Tell'em Peter!! snicker,snicker lol. 2old 10:19, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Translation[edit]

Питер, я сейчас перевожу Wikitravel:Article naming conventionsru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev/Wikitravel:Именование статей. В английском тексте есть пример Eight mile junction - что это такое? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:34, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

По-моему это какой-то перекрёсток дорог где-то в Новой Зеландии. Наверно было бы лучше придумать какой-либо пример названия на русском, в котором включается номер, всегда образованный по буквам. --Peter Talk 04:15, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
Противоположных примеров, где следует использовать числа, куча, а те, где надо записывать словами - только улицы да мосты приходят в голову... -- Sergey kudryavtsev 01:59, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
С помощью Википедии нашёл-таки пример. Теперь, пожалуйста, переведите смысл оставшихся фраз на английском. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:52, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Virgin Gorda Map[edit]

Thanks for adding the map: http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image:Virgin_Gorda_map.png

Here are some adjustments on the restaurant locations, most minor a couple major.

Put Rock Cafe above LSL Bakery. It's at the T-intersection (yes, it's still the same rocks as at The Baths).

Put Island Pot across Tower Road from LSL Bakery.

Mine Shaft Restaurant is a little inland from the coppermine, on the north side of the road: http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=18.4340976&lon=-64.4298363&z=15&l=0&m=s&v=2

Put Flying Iguana on the lower left cornr of the Airport icon. It's on the south side of the airport road.

RogerR 22:51, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Virgin Gorda telepohones--do you just dial seven digits?[edit]

Sorry, I don't know how to dial within Virgin Gorda--the nice folks at Guavaberry made all our calls for us!

Roger

i thought if a place has sleep its kept[edit]

all those enteries you deleted had sleep. i dont understand. --71.254.107.195 04:35, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

can you help me with it? --Peter Talk 04:37, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

help you with what? please be more specific. --71.254.107.195 04:39, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

the question i game you. --Peter Talk 04:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

help you with new travel guides ok i understand sure thing peter just thought someone hijacked your account for a second. the grammar is not good. --71.254.107.195 04:42, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Why[edit]

why can't you accept any outlines i do why do they all have to have sleep? --71.254.107.195 11:37, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

i am sorry i just try to help the deletion. --Peter Talk 12:35, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Fish crack?[edit]

You've put fish crack in the index of our book? You've gone made with apostrophes, sir. Gorilla Jones 00:17, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Bangladesh map[edit]

That one's been at the top of my list forever, but I couldn't bring myself to trace out that bitch of a coastline.... thanks for doing the smart thing and finding it on Commons! Looks great and much needed – cacahuate talk 23:58, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Credit for articles?[edit]

Peter, I just made a boo-boo. I made several contributions to articles on Kaliningrad and Murmansk, only to discover that, when my dial-up connection dropped out midway, I was no longer logged in to Wikitravel when I continued, meaning that my contributions were attributed to "Anonymous." Considering that I brought these articles from almost zero info to having at least basic info populated in most of the fields, I'd rather have some credit rather than Anonymous. In the Murmansk article, I "undid" everything then resubmitted the info after logging on. Not sure if that's the kosher way to do it -- one could steal another's work that way, but I was only repopulating my own. Should I do the same for today's edits to Kaliningrad, or is there another, better fix? -Andrewsyria

Hey Andrew, if you'd like a "cleaner" way of doing it, I could delete the article, then restore it to the point just before you started editing it. Then you could copy/paste in the current version and get credit for it that way. You'd have to hold on to the copied version in the meantime, on notepad or a User:Andrewsyria/Sandbox page. Let me know if you'd like to do that and I'll be happy to oblige. Two other things: you can auto-sign & date-stamp your comments by typing four tildes ~~~~; and thanks for all the awesome work you've been doing! --Peter Talk 01:03, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks. The Murmansk article is undone and redone. OK to leave it as it is now, although I went about it the hard way. As for Kaliningrad, would you mind reverting it to the article before the July 6 edits? I have those on notepad, and I can rebuild it from there, I also found a bit more data to add for some of the listings, so I can build on it, too. Thanks again for your help.
Done. --Peter Talk 20:28, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Travel news[edit]

Питер, подправте, пожалуйста, грамматику и стилистику в Travel news (1 августа). -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:41, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Спасибо. -- Sergey kudryavtsev


Revert[edit]

why do u delete my portions of data in the document??? id: prithwisaha@ gmail.com

I reverted your edit because it added a tour listing that violates our tour policy. Also, adding a listing multiple times in one page is considered spamming. --Peter Talk 22:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Another revert question - this edit looks like a legitimate question to me, although I don't know the user's history. Would it make more sense to just move that edit to Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist? If the user really is trying to edit without touting it would be good to give him some feedback. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:33, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

I reverted that one, because other incarnations of that organization (like this one) were edit warring to spam each and every Hawaiian island article with links to their site. Since then, they've been leaving messages on my talk page touting their site and adding multiple links. That last one was a good deal less egregious, but my revert finger is twitchy on this issue, and I'm not inclined to give a lot of leeway to use my talk page as a touting platform. --Peter Talk 00:35, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Boston Districts[edit]

I'm soliciting advice, particularly as regards the process, on how to district Boston from both you and Gorilla as you have been through this. When you get the time, please let me know of any guidance you can offer. Pleas see Talk:Boston#DISTRICTS (again). Thanks. --OldPine 12:43, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Northern Ireland[edit]

Peter Fitzgerald, Thanks for editing Northern Ireland page - just one day before yesterday. I'm brazilian and going there next september, and the informations are very useful. Good lock Bye Claudia

No problem, I hope you enjoy your trip ;) --Peter Talk 00:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Lake Point Tower[edit]

Good call on the trim for the skyline guide. But Lake Point Tower is a condo building, so technically lots of people "own" it along with Oprah (if she's got a condo there). Gorilla Jones 19:17, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

A little fact check makes me pretty certain that I got some bad information on the street on this one—now I'm not sure if she ever lived there at all! --Peter Talk 19:33, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for figuring out Melbourne/Carlton[edit]

Hey Peter! Thanks for helping me figure out the links in Melbourne/Carlton. You're the BEST! :) Kaci 14:19, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No problem ;) --Peter Talk 17:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

PA regions[edit]

Hi Peter. I see you've listed yourself as working on the PA regions map. I left some comments at Talk:Pennsylvania if you're interested. LtPowers 09:16, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Photo[edit]

Thanks for your help again at San Francisco/Chinatown-North Beach. I like the following photo a lot, and would like to add it [5] (it's the musical barber under the "Do" section)..however, I read that photos of people were a no-no. Given that he's the real attraction here, would this rule apply here too in your opinion? Thanks Asterix 17:51, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

ABOUT HUNZA[edit]

Thank you very much regarding this,

i would like to improve the article for hunza, as further more sub sections, and i want to use a few more redirects, as few names are known to different in locals, like UPPER HUNZA, will be redirected to GOJAL and so LOWER HUNZA should be redirected SHINAKI and so few more. and yes about the content copying you are right in saying that, and i am trying to improve the article as much as i can and i am trying to get the references from where i am taking the data,

and in more details as u may have see some tags i have put, but those are need to be filled so i might copy(take) content from some other sites, so please let me know if there would be any copyright issue so that there wont be any kind of such issues rising,

I hope you will help us improving the article about hunza further more and with more details

Thanks & regards Samsaleem 05:33, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Antarctica map[edit]

Hi, Peter. Nice job with Image:Antarctica regions map.png, but you forgot to include the compass rose showing which direction is North. LtPowers 10:08, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

It's imposible to mark north direction on this map. :-)) But Piter should mark the Greenwich meridian. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 14:24, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
Yes, I know; I was trying to be funny. LtPowers 20:11, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
Heh heh, I considered putting the compass rose pointing in all directions. --Peter Talk 21:37, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Japan[edit]

I am native Russian speaker. I also speak English (high level) and Japanese (intermediate level). I own big official website about Japan and can provide lots of information on this topic. Let's make Russian article about Japan together. http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%AF%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

Получено с http://wikitravel.org/ru/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Hot_Coffee

Thanks for the Welcome[edit]

Peter-

Just wanted to say thanks for the welcome. I've been using wikitravel for about a year now and I finally decided to add something. I'm sure I'll see you around.

Thanks again,--Matt Talk 11:39, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

IP blocked[edit]

Hi Peter my IP address has been blocked in German and also I cannot modify anything in Italian. My IP address is 80.25.189.115. Thanks for your help

Fernando

That is strange—your ip has been unblocked on the German version (see de:special:log/block). Would you please try again there. Let me know if that works, then I will make a request on the Italian version. --Peter Talk 18:06, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Chicago/Wicker Park map again[edit]

I just noticed that the distance key is wrong. The line representing a quarter mile actually looks more like a half mile. Eco84 11:21, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Chicago/South Chicago Shore map[edit]

The 55th-56th-57th Metra station is mislabeled as "55th-56th-59th". Eco84 12:03, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Other Chicago maps[edit]

Sorry to keep hassling you about the Chicago district maps, just thought I should point out a few more errors:

Near South: The See/Do key is messed up. Numbers 3 and 4 are missing, replaced by numbers 12 (Charter One Pavilion) and 10 (Dearborn Station). Charter One appears as number 4 on the map, and Dearborn Station appears as number 3; these should be switched.

Lakeview: Distance key is off; it's labeled as 0.25 when it's actually 0.5. Belmont red/brown/purple line station appears to be missing.

Near North: Distance key is off; it's labeled 0.5 when it's actually 0.25. The Mag Mile inset might be off, but I can't tell for sure.

Far Southeast Side: The main map is fine, but on the Pullman inset, the Kensington/115th Metra station is mislabeled as "Kensington/111th".

Uptown: Argyle red line stop isn't labeled (not sure if there is space for this or not), and the Berwyn red line stop is missing. The Bryn Mawr red line stop is missing and could fit on the map, but it falls completely outside the district boundaries by several blocks so it probably isn't that important.

North Lincoln: The main map is fine, but on the Lincoln Square inset, the distance key is labeled as 125 kilometers (!!!); I'm assuming this was supposed to be 125 meters.

That's all I have for now. I'd fix these myself if that were possible/if I knew how. Eco84 17:51, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

It's no hassle at all—I really appreciate the criticism. I have the widespread problem of not being able to effectively proof my own work. I've fixed the Wicker Park & South Chicago Shore maps, and will get to the others soon. If you're traveling around the city, I hope you're enjoying yourself! --Peter Talk 18:05, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Hello from atitarev[edit]

Thanks for the warm greetings, Peterfitzgerald. Quick question (hopefully). Do you know how to add quickly an accent to a Cyrillic or Latin letter? Like this: Спаси́бо or Sharápova (I copied and pasted). --Atitarev 09:16, 14 August 2008 (EDT) --Atitarev 09:16, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

For a cyrillic letter is a only way to insert &#x0301; (html syntax for a unicode char U+0301 "Combine acute accent") after a accented vowel, e.g. спаси́бо. For a latin letter you can use either &#x0301; or already accented unicode chars like &#x00E1; for a accented small "a", e.g. Sharápova. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 10:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
I've also imported шаблон:ударение from the Russian version of Wikitravel, it displays like this: Яку́тск, with the syntax Яку{{subst:accent}}тск. So just subst: the template right after the letter you wish to accent. Hope that helps! --Peter Talk 14:19, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
It certainly does, Thank you! Could use this template somewhere else? --Atitarev 07:33, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
Yes, just copy/paste the template to other language versions. --Peter Talk 17:55, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Travel news[edit]

Церемония развода караула в Стокгольме

Питер, помогите ещё раз с английским в новостях ("A guards mounting starts at Saint Petersburg Peter and Paul Fortress", 9 августа). Особенно я волнуюсь, будет ли понятно "a guards mounting"? По-русски это называется "развод караула", нечто подобное, но в больших масштабах, происходит во дворе Королевского дворца в Стокгольме. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:26, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Я не понимаю совсем - это какой-то показ караула? Или замена, как в Лондоне? А вы имеете в виду, что это регулярное событие, которое началось в 9 августа, и продолжается каждый день? Может быть легче написать то, что вы имеете в виду по-русски, так чтобы я мог бы его перевести прямо. --Peter Talk 01:35, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
По-русски я имею ввиду вот что:


Развод караула -- это когда командир отряда, охраняющего некий объект, назначает своим подчинённым те места, которые они должны охранять (т.е. разводит их по местам). Здесь церемония символическая, как дань традиции. Сам я эту церемонию ещё не видел, но обещают военный оркестр, плац-парад и торжественный вынос флагов России и Петербурга. Вы можете ещё почитать вот эту статью. Про полуденный выстрел вы, наверное, знаете, пушка установлена именно на Нарышкином бастионе. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 04:29, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
Сделано. Извините за свою медленность! --Peter Talk 16:29, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
Спасибо, выложил на главную страницу. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 04:46, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Massachusetts regions[edit]

Sorry about the delay in responding. I forgot about your question and then was actually travelling. You asked if the regions were solid enough to move forward on. It has been noted that the list exceeds the 7 +/- 2 guideline (see talk page). The consolidation option on the talk page there is a decent one. I'll get on it as soon as I can. OldPine 07:01, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't worry about 11 as opposed to 9 for regions, but if consolidation makes sense from a travel perspective, by all means go forward with that. Let me know when it's final, and I'll get working on the map! --Peter Talk 17:56, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, yeah they're stable until someone comes along and doesn't like them :) I believe they're in good shape, though I admit I've been distracted and lost interest in the project (and Boston). I attempted to list every town in each subregion, so I think you can follow where the lines are drawn. Note that the Quabbin subregion in Central Massachusetts carves some towns out of the eastern portion of the Pioneer Valley county subregions. Don't hesitate to ask me any questions. OldPine 23:09, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Comment response[edit]

Hi, Peter. I responded to your question here. Just letting you know; since you weren't logged in I thought it might not have made it onto your watchlist. =) LtPowers 09:04, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Georgia[edit]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/opinion/20gorbachev.html?th&emc=thcacahuate talk 09:43, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't want to get too much into my personal politics here, but this is a really depressing event for me. I know a lot of people who live and vacation in that area. I hope they're ok, but I don't have many good ways to contact them. From a travel perspective, it's also a disaster for this little country, and for me, since I spent so much effort working on the Gori article, which may or may not have been made very outdated by the bombings & assaults.
It's also depressing to see these countries at each other's throats, when they for so long have had such a great relationship (and depressing since I'm both a Russophile and Kartvelophile...). I think that Gorbachev's arguments fly in the face of international norms of behavior, but not to the extent that the American invasion of Iraq did, so it's awful hard for our government to challenge Russia's invasion even diplomatically. I must add, though, that the popular Russian arguments for the military reprisal seem really hypocritical in light of their campaign to control and keep within the federation Chechnya—a campaign which I thought very much justified. --Peter Talk 17:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Hi from Crowsnest[edit]

Hi Peter, Thanks for the complement. I really spun-off here as I wanted to get something down in text form. My real passion is for OpenStreetMap and I am having fun mapping out the Crowsnest Pass via GPS, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Canada:Alberta:Crowsnest_Pass

There is a group who have just release a history-route map of places in the Pass. There is no copyright statement so I'm trying to get in touch with the author so see if he/she will license the text under CC. Would be nice to import this into the pages for the separate towns.

Is it legit to take other people's CC work and relicense under CC-SA? Or do you have to exactly match terms?

Cheers, Mungewell.

Yes, if it is licensed as CC-Attribution, you are within your rights to relicense it as CC-Attribution-ShareAlike, since the absence of the ShareAlike clause means you can distribute it under any licensing, as long as you maintain attribution. I've tried fooling around with OpenStreetMap too, but am endlessly frustrated by the fact that I can't use street names taken from non-free content maps! --Peter Talk 16:05, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
It's seems as delirium that a street names may be copyrighted by anyone... :-0 Where you read this, Piter? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:57, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
The street names are not copyrighted, but the maps from which you might get names are. And if that map has idiosyncratic, or especially incorrect, names, then copying them will make the derivative map not 100% free. I still get street names all the time from existing copyrighted maps, but I'm not so perfectionist as OpenStreetmap! In any rate, I certainly agree that intellectual property right laws are often pathological, sometimes downright insane. --Peter Talk 03:02, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the compliment[edit]

Hi Peter. Cheers for the note on my Talk page. The support is appreciated! Tarr3n 13:54, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Tenderloin[edit]

Hi Peter, I have made all the last minute adjs as per star nom page. I tried to readjust the color areas per 'Loin neighborhoods but wasn't able to snap them neatly to the street grid. I wonder can I ask you to tweak it please?

  • Little Saigon should be stretched (not moved) one block south to Turk
  • Tandoor-Loin should be stretched (not moved) one block west to Leavenworth St
  • The Polk Gulch is a bit off. It's everything north of Geary St between Polk and Hyde St.....it should run right to the end of the map as it technically goes into the next neighborhood.
  • The Tendernob is Geary to Sutter between Larkin and Mason.
  • Finally, for the general Tenderloin area (everything else) it should be light pink everywhere else in between this boundary (except of course for the other colors above): starting at Polk St and Golden Gate Ave intersection and going round clockwise...Polk St....Sutter St...Mason St...Market St...and finally Golden Gate Ave (back to Polk St and Golden Gate Ave intersection)

I hope this is clear, if not let me know. One last thing, looking at it I forgot to put a "1." beside the first drink listing, could you oblige whilst you're at it? Thanks again Asterix 18:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm just about done making these changes, but it seems like Pork Gulch and Tendernob overlap between Geary & Sutter, Larkin & Hyde. Should they? --Peter Talk 21:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
ooops, sorry....Polk Gulch should be everything north of Geary St between Van Ness Ave and Larkin St. Sorry bout that! Asterix 12:14, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Should be fixed now! --Peter Talk 16:46, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

St Pete status[edit]

Thanks for your thoughts on the St Pete article. I'm trying to develop it as fast as I can, but if others beat me to it, all the better. As for restaurants, yes, there are a million, but I suspect there will have been significant turnover since 2003. Any Uzbek restaurants you can add would be great - there are too few now, and the one closest to me has been boarded up for about a year now. Would be glad to collaborate somehow on looking into your old favorites.--Andrewsyria 02:12, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Data Dumps[edit]

In fact I haven't done for some time. I think the best way to do it would be to use Special:Export and Special:RecentChanges to track changes to the site. -- Mark 04:52, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Chicagoland[edit]

I just added a couple sentences to the Chicagoland article to emphasize the ties to Southeast Wisconsin and Northern Indiana. If you do an article on Lake County (Indiana), then we could specify that that and Kenosha are often included in Chicagoland--either at the beginning, the end or both.

I guess what I'm trying to avoid is having a summary of Lake County that appears both in Northern Indiana and in Chicagoland--likewise with Kenosha and SE Wisconsin. It just seems like bad organization to me--as the sections evolve in the natural wiki way, they either have to be kept manually in synch or else they'll diverge in ways that are not helpful to the user of the site (e.g., having to look two places to get all the useful info--or mistakes being corrected in one place but not the other). Keeping them separate and cross-referenced would be my preference--which I guess I've made clear; my apologies if I'm belaboring the point.

Anyway, since you and I seem to be the only ones currently paying attention to the Chicagoland page, I'm wondering what you think of the changes I've made to it--I'm a newcomer to Wikitravel and I'm trying to bring the page more in line with the ideal form of a regional article, but I'm not precisely clear what that is. Am I doing the right thing with the attractions, for instance? And was getting rid of the hotels en masse the right thing to do? If those all didn't seem like they had been put there by PR agents, I might have been more circumspect.

Nareek 17:26, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Do you know of a good example of a sub-state regional article that Chicagoland could more or less follow as a model? Nareek 23:59, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Colorado regions[edit]

That's an excellent draft map, and it does a good job of pointing out some of the challenges of making Colorado regions. In a "flatter" state, use of latitude and longitude, or at most reliance on highways, usually provides adequate guidance in setting up regions. When regions are defined by mountain ranges (and, usually, the borders of those regions by the resulting valleys), however, things meander, and highly non-intuitive "regions" result if one aims for consistency in transportation routes, regional attractions, and so on. Actually, Arizona is even more of a pain in this regard than Colorado is...

It's probably most practical to consider the "black" region part of Northwestern Colorado, although perfectly sensible arguments can be made either way. One reason is that the northwest region otherwise gets rather short shrift in terms of destinations and attractions; may as well give it Aspen, Glenwood Springs and Grand Junction to beef up the content somewhat, although Aspen "feels" more like part of the southwest or South Central Colorado regions in many regards. For destinations along the border, there are always hard choices -- and one of the things about a mountain state is that the destinations will be along the borders, because valleys bearing the roads, rivers and other things that define the borders are exactly where the cities are built. One challenge is to come up with a simple, tidy description of the resulting western regions, but it looks like you've made headway on that, at least graphically.

To me the distinction between the Denver region and others is less of a problem. One simple criterion works: if it's urban, it's part of the Denver region; if it's rural, put it in one of the others. Your draft does quite a good job with that, although my wife's brother's house probably gets bisected by the western edge of the Denver region ... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:20, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Site advertising[edit]

Питер, взгляните на User:Sworldist. Это выглядит как будто, учётная запись создана только для рекламы сайта. В Википедии это считается нарушением, а здесь? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:36, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Я бы предпочёл просто удалять такие страницы, как делается в Википедии. Но здесь принято удалить только те страницы участника, у которых ссылок очень много. У нас было долгое обсуждение по этой теме. Во всяком случае, я бы не возражал, если в русском разделе мы будем удалять рекламные страницы для участников, которые не участвуют в проекте. А если участник работает над Википутешествием и рекламирует на свою страницу, по-моему это не должно считаться нарушением. --Peter Talk 18:30, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Я тоже так считаю. Давайте, когда будем переводить на русский Wikitravel:User page help, введём норму об удалении явной рекламы с личных страниц участников через обсуждение в ru:Wikitravel:Запросы на удаление? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:13, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

shared:User:Diversity - ещё один "рекламщик". -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:48, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Region Maps[edit]

Hi, thanks for the compliments on the Lower Mainland map and the link to the Regions Map Expedition. I like maps so I'd be happy to chip in help out (although slowly since I don't have too much free time and fixing up Vancouver and area is my first priority).

One question about map making -- are we allowed to trace a copyrighted image to make a map? I'd like to think that style things added by the map maker are copyrighted but the shape of the earth and street layout isn't! Thanks. Shaund 11:13, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Help with Duplicate pages for 1 City[edit]

Hey Peter, do you know how to fix a problem of there being two pages for one city? Springboro, Ohio has two pages, Springboro and Springboro (Ohio). The first one is the more up to date version, and the second one has been abandoned. How can I delete the second page, and make sure no other pages link to the duplicate? Thanks.Jtesla16 18:10, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Thats exactly what I was looking for, thank you. Does Wikitravel have a system of Service Awards or any fun ways to encourage and recognize contributions? You seem due for more than a few. If you're not familiar with the idea | here is an example. Jtesla16 01:24, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the help.[edit]

Peter,

Thanks for the help in cleaning up the page. Please bear with me as I'm new. —The preceding comment was added by Tristan1961 (talkcontribs) .


Golden Gate[edit]

Hi, firstly, yes I am bit bummed that no one read the article, however, I was certainly not referring to you — who has diligently read all of the other noms.

As regards me taking the article down 50 mins early...I was unaware, but now that I have checked, yes it was 45 mins early. However, I'm sure it says that we've 14 days in total to have a discussion about it...so if you had of intended on making any changes, technically that would have only left me with 45 mins to rectify — otherwise it would be the "slush pile." Imo, any comments should come in at least 24 hours prior to the deadline to allow the nominator at least some time to rectify the mistakes. Asterix 15:26, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Template:Regionlist_localization[edit]

It was just missing thumb on the image. I've fixed and it is now displaying correctly. --Nick 03:16, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Great, thanks! --Peter Talk 10:56, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Qualifications for "usable" article status[edit]

Peter, on your Maryland Expedition, you spell out here: Wikitravel:Maryland_Expedition#Current_priorities - Very close to usable, and should get there in no time with a little collective push. Needs: at least 2 Drink listings; a couple Get out destinations; addresses, where listings lack them. Are these sort of qualifications for "usable" article status spelled out anyplace? I am currently having a conflict with a new contributor who I believe is promoting articles prematurely. gamweb 14:47, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikipedia legal violations[edit]

Gamweb and myself have been disputing over his contributions to Florida pages. I contend that he is data dumping from wikipedia and the yellowpages. The following pages are straight wikipedia-copy-and-pastes: Palatka from wikipedia, Sebring from wikipedia, Canaveral_National_Seashore from wikipedia, Fort Myers from wp, Escambia County (Florida) from wp, DeLand from wp, Sanford (Florida) from wp. These are merely the latest examples I could dig up in his recent edits. I believe this activity to be much more widespread by this user. What can be done to stop this? Jtesla16 19:01, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Fyi: the stuff I fixed up were mere phonebooks of info, not copyvios. -- Colin 22:26, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikipedia & Wikitravel[edit]

Peter, I have attempted to "rechew" any text that I may have seen at Wikipedia as an example. In the case of Canaveral National Seashore, I found a source of Public Domain text from the National Park Service (an agency of the US Government), which Wikipedia cannot claim as their own copyrighted work. However, if you have any problems with anything else I have added here, let me know. I left you a related message on Wikitravel shared a few days ago, if you could take a look please. gamweb 20:31, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and I am a Wikipedia contributor myself. I suppose I have to make certain I add any text here first, before adding it to Wikipedia? gamweb 21:13, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
No, the content is yours and you can do whatever you like with it — but it may be useful to note on the Talk page that it really is yours, and not just copied from someone else's work on WP. Jpatokal 03:59, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

St Davids[edit]

Hi Peter. Cheers for the compliments on my Talk Page. It led me to have a nose at your user page, which reminded me of some work I meant to do on St Davids (I had to find out where your favourite "country pub" was, but didn't expect it to be in one of my favourite spots in the World). I see Edinburgh is on your wishlist - do give me a shout if you make it. Tarr3n 05:20, 9 September 2008 (EDT)


New York (City)[edit]

In "Getting In" section, link for JFK airport (as of 1430 local, 11 Sept, results in 404 error. Please check/correct as needed. Thanks for great site. John Henne

Ads[edit]

I don't see any display ads, just the Google ones over on the right. Am I missing something? I don't think I've got an ad-blocker active. LtPowers 17:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

There are no other ads, it's just that IB has also started showing (on occasion) picture ads in that block as well, instead of just text ads. Jpatokal 00:10, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Some of the back story is herecacahuate talk 03:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Verses[edit]

Питер, я заметил, что вы добавили стихи Тютчева в раздел "Understand" статьи Russia. Может поместить туда профессиональный перевод Анатолия Либермана (взято из Wikisource):


You will not grasp her with your mind

You will not grasp her with your mind
Or cover with a common label,
For Russia is one of a kind –
Believe in her, if you are able...


А вот тут целая куча разных переводов этого стихотворения: [6]. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:08, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

PS: Чтобы не нарушать вашу забастовку по поводу рекламы, вы выберите лучший вариант, а я могу сам внести в статью... ;-) -- Sergey kudryavtsev 03:15, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

А я всё-же предпочитаю свой перевод. Я уже посмотрел на переводы по интернету, но я был очень недоволен ими. Вариант, который вы выбрали, интересны тем, что в нём более или менее сохраняется рифм (но ведь это не тот же самый рифм!). Но вот - "Believe in her, if you are able..." очень неточный перевод оригинала, а я бы считал последнюю строчку самой важной. У меня и ещё недовольства об этом переводе, но мне кажется тяжело немного обсуждать поэзию по-русски (так как это напоминает прошлую учёбу). Во всяком, я специально перевёл версию сам, не только из самовлюблённости, а также потому что мне казалось нужным это сделать ;-) --Peter Talk 23:51, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
Ok, раз вы уже просматривали переводы и остались ими не довольны, пусть остаётся ваш вариант. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:03, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

OtBP[edit]

Hey Peter... You seem to be the most active admin on line these days, so thought you'd be the best person to contact... The "Off the Beaten Path" is three days overdue for a changing, so wondered if you could you do the honors. Cheers... WindHorse 23:05, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Peter... Yes, the Main Page requires an admin's key to edit... Thanks also for compliments... Yes, it's enjoyable to drop by WT and do some edits, but I do not have as much time to do so as in the past... Take it easy, and thanks again... WindHorse 23:35, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Spain regional hierarchy[edit]

Hi Peter: I've finally reorganised the top-level regions in Spain, so please take a look. The Spain page itself might need some adjustment to the layout (I'm not expert enough to attempt that) because of the shorter "Regions" section now.

But maybe you can slot in a new map ;-)

Thanks, Jim Jnich99 09:43, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, those regions look great to me! I'll get working on a map, but ideally we should have one more thing done first—we need to sort out the "other destinations" list. None of them should be cities/towns ("other" = "other than cities/towns"), all of them should be some sort of non-city attraction, like national parks, islands, monasteries, gigantic theme parks, etc. And there should be no more than 9; ideally we should have exactly 9. Any suggestions? --Peter Talk 20:46, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll give it some thought! Cheers Jnich99 09:42, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Africa[edit]

Hey Peter

The region map for Africa is not showing, although the image is here: [[7]] - I looked into it, but can't figure out what is wrong, so some help would be appreciated :-) Sertmann 10:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

it actually still wasn't showing, but the purging worked :-) cheers Sertmann 18:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

http://wikitravel.org/en/Mandarmani[edit]

Dear Mr. Peter,

I understand that you are very passionate about travel. And that you are making great effort to maintain many of the travel pages in this wiki. On the contrary. I would request not to edit/truncate any text without validating that it is right or wrong.

I thought that these pages are for public, to contribute, enrich with information. I have noticed that you have reverted some edits in the past few days several times where as the information added was absolutely correct, valid and more than real.

I also noticed that you are from US. In case you think that this message also needs to be validated, you can contact me (mondarmoni@yahoo.com) for further information on the place. I am going to this place since 2003.

Have a great day

Thank you,


We don't allow touting on our pages, and we don't want our hotel descriptions to read like a brochure. Adding things like "best rooms in Mandarmoni" are not helping our project. We also don't describe every detail of a hotel, just the basics. I kept some of the recent things you added to your hotel, like the price range, which is good to have. We appreciate your understanding what I'm trying to say here, none of us want to continue to have to fight over this and constantly revert each others changes – cacahuate talk 15:37, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Thank you for your understanding, "Cacahuate". On the same note I believe using the word "touting" is very strong in this case. If you pay a bit attention then, you would notice that, every body should be given equal space to express in a certain way. In this case, the truth is truth. How much one try to negate, it still remains the same. If I understand English, I would say, some of the text still reads like "brochure". The words like "contemporary", "eco-friendly" equally affirms the uniqueness and strides to strike a difference. Anyway! I still appreciate the effort from the bottom of my heart. Hope this would end the "constant revert" fight. BTW,one quick information, Project Digante is much bigger than the resort that the group of people have built, they are deeply engaged in other social activities in the area for last 4 years, it's a dream project for them, not a mere business to scalp money, Thank you again. Hope this information helps.
Everything is expressed in the same way here, from the point of view of a traveler, not from the hotel owner's point of view, that's all. There's a large difference between describing a place as contemporary or eco-friendly (which a lot of travelers care about and want to know) and hotel owner calling their place "the best" – cacahuate talk 21:25, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
I disagree that everything is expressed in the "same" way. Have you visited Digante? If not then go visit and the question yourself. You are editing something and truncating it to no meaning without knowing about the place. It is best that the traveler be informed, not under informed. If you have a problem with "the best" you can edit that but please be sensitive about cutting out the entire text. Yes!!!! Bengali traveler care about fresh FISH caught straight from the pond and served. And may I ask you the question: How do you know I am the Hotel owner !!!!!!!!! I felt as a traveler who stayed in most of the hotels at M'moni, that Digante has the best rooms (decor, facility and design). That's all. Now it's up to you whether you will continue to target the text. Thank you.
BTW, I have edited your disliking, using the word "the best"...thank you.
Ooh, I was so tempted to leave in that "homely atmosphere" bit! --Peter Talk 01:20, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
Your edits make you sound like you work for the hotel, that's all... unfortunately several hotel owners/workers in Mandarmoni and a couple of travel agencies have all been frequent visitors to our site and created a little war on the Mandarmoni page, so you'll find that it's a little more difficult than normal to get flowery writing onto that page. Reason #12 why hotel owners shouldn't tout their hotels, it will only backfire – cacahuate talk 16:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Northern Territory[edit]

Thanks for the message, I was wondering how articles become guides. Thanks heapsLex 19:06, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Copenhagen/Østerbro[edit]

Hey Peter...

I know it's a bit to ask for, but could you do some proof reading on the article - I'm not a native speaker, so that prose must be perfect part, is a bit intimidating. Also if you could look through it and tell me if anything missing, then i'll work on that and hopefully nominate it - once that - and the bus route map, is finished.

Sertmann 13:59, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll add it to my to do list ;) --Peter Talk 14:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the message[edit]

And sorry it took a while to answer. I'm coming from Finland, but I've used several translating programmes, too. I am studying Russian. Hot Coffee 14:54, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks! I'm so clueless about formatting and stuff... I appreciate the encouragement! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ali oop7 (talkcontribs)

Maps and stuff[edit]

Hi Peter, thanks for the kind words on the NZ map. As I was putting it up, a question came to mind... What should we do with the old Factbook maps? I'd like to think the new maps are so good the Factbook maps are redundant and we can remove reference to them. :-)

But just in case we're attached to them, let me know. Shaund 01:34, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Tanzania Regions[edit]

The Tanzania Regions section has "Pembwe and the Southeast" as a region. I believe that it would make more sense to rename this region/page to "Coastal Tanzania" and to remove Pemba (not "Pembwe" that I'm aware of) and either make a new page for it, or move it to the Zanzibar page. I started to do this, but thought I'd ask you first since it looks like you came up with the original TZ region scheme. Also, regarding the map; I will have to figure out how to re-color the regions, and it looks like "Tobora" should be "Tabora" (but then I was wondering if that was intentional). And I may have question about renaming the page. Anyway if you have suggestions for any of this I'd appreciate them. Thanks. Alingelb 11:35, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Saint Petersburg (Russia)[edit]

Питер, переведите, пожалуйста, в Saint Petersburg (Russia) моё объявление о закрытии "Горьковской" (в самом конце раздела "Метрополитен" в ru:Санкт-Петербург). Я думаю, что иностранцы, в большинстве своём не понимающие русский, будут обескуражены, что поезда проходят мимо этой станции. А ведь именно оттуда удобнее всего идти в Петровавловскую крепость. Рекомендация пользоваться в часы пик (по будням с 08:30 до 10:00 и c 18:00 до 19:00) "Спортивной", а не "Петроградской" тоже важна. В первый день люди стояли в толпе перед входом на "Петроградскую" аж 15-20 минут! За это время они пешком вполне дойдут до "Спортивной", а заодно увидят великолепный Князь-Владимирский собор. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 04:25, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Rome Districts[edit]

Hi Peter I'm Boris from Rome , I've been so disappointed to see you changed again the Roman districts without answer to my suggestions that I left on your talk page last week... Dear Peter , please don't merge the Roman districts into a few districts because Rome is so different and full of history that have to be explained in every part of it ! For example with the merged version the Trevi Fountain is located into the Modern Rome ?!?!? or Aventino and Testaccio are merged but they are completely different , the Testaccio one is a popular district of Rome meanwhile Aventino is a luxury district for diplomates !!! I could continue for hours...I was born in Rome and I live in Rome and this week-end I'll make a rational work into this section and I'll add several information about every district I passed this matter to my uncle architecht and town planner professor Racheli ( username Pasquino ) that he knows very well as the Rome districts are divided . Please let me know . Ciao

Rome[edit]

Good Afternoon from Rome My name is Prof. Alberto Maria Racheli , I've been instructed to carry out this work on the neighborhoods of Rome by Boris , my grandson has asked me to fix this issue , because in his opinion this division is pretty weak compared to the rich history of Rome. Basically I agree with him, passionate student of urban planning, that the division should be optimized creating at least 7-8 large areas of the historical center and creating even 4 large areas outside the center and Ostia, with its magnificent ancient ruins. Let me know if you agree to be able to work. Dear Greetings Alberto Pasquino 19:34, 19 October 2008 (CET)

Possible xenophobic entries[edit]

Hi, Peter. Please read my entry on the Portugal Talk page. Thanks. --Xyzt1234 04:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)


Welcome...thankyou[edit]

Hi Peter, many thanks for the welcome.Hopefully i will be able to contribute ...and will keep in touch Colinc 13:58, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Image:National Mall map.png[edit]

Contains two 50 markers and no 39. Great map otherwise! -- Colin 18:22, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Fixed, and thanks for catching that. Hope someone finds it useful ;) --Peter Talk 23:01, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

New York Vandalism[edit]

Hey Peter, just saw you were online, and I need some help. I reverted an edit to New York city, but since the vandalism continued while I reverted, it someone how lost the "By Subway" and "On foot" sections, even though I have the last edit - and i don't know quite how to go about fixing that Sertmann 21:50, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh, saw you fixed it, thanks :) Sertmann 21:52, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, in the future, you can go to the history tab and click on the last good version. Then click the edit button on that page and save to "hard revert." That's especially useful to revert vandalism/spam made from more than one ip/user. --Peter Talk 21:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Sweet[edit]

Tag team, biotch! – cacahuate talk 19:04, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

heh heh, that was a lot of spam, handled deftly in about 15 seconds. --Peter Talk 19:06, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
still at it, there is are two pages he created that could use a shiny speedy deleted button :) Sertmann 19:32, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
taken care of it - sweet indeed :) Sertmann 19:33, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Districts map of Istanbul[edit]

Hello. Here are the changes I suggest to be made on the districts map of Istanbul:

  • Princes’ Islands (those nine islands off the southern Asian coast) should be distinguished from Asian Side with a different colour.
  • Northwesternmost part of ‘Beyoğlu’ should be seperated from Istanbul/Galata, and added to Istanbul/Golden Horn. Drawing a straight line on the same direction/line with the western border of ‘Fatih’ would do the trick.
  • The lowest part (only the very lowest) of ‘Şişli’ should be seperated from Istanbul/New City and added to Istanbul/Bosphorus. Joining of this section to official Şişli district was a highly controversial political act happened about ten or fifteen years ago, just to let a skyscraper (which now houses a hotel which is listed on ‘sleep/splurge’ section) to be built on an otherwise historical area spared from further development.
  • This is not such a big deal, but to be totally correct, Çatalca and Silivri in the west and Şile in the northeast should be greyed out, as they are not really part of the city of Istanbul, but of the province of Istanbul, thus they should have their seperate articles rather than being merged into one of the districts of Istanbul. It’s not exactly same situation, but this may be likened to the difference between the city of New York and New York State. You wouldn’t assign a distict of NYC to, say, Albany, would you?

I don’t know any online city map of Istanbul to create a map out of for Wikitravel, but I’ll let you know if I come across one one day.--Vidimian 08:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

COTM - Copenhagen[edit]

Hey Peter, please take a look over at the Collaboration of Month Nomination page, and the Copenhagen entry. Also I'd really like some comments whether you'd be willing (and able) to help with writing up the main article. Kind regards - Sertmann 17:38, 6 November 2008 (EST)

And welcome back, hope you had a nice vacation mate :o) Sertmann 13:28, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Ditto - earlier today I was wondering where you've been off to. This place gets quiet without your titanic presence patrolling edits and adding maps. Welcome back. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:42, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks for the welcome! Having successfully won Indiana, I'm back to having some spare time again. I don't know if I can be of much help on writing the main Copenhagen article, since I've only visited for a couple of days, but I'd be happy to help proof/copyedit anything that needs it. I might be able to help write a "see" section, but that's about it. --Peter Talk 18:09, 8 November 2008 (EST)
He, I guess that rules out you being your more famous republican namesake from Chicago, which i saw mentioned on the news the other day. couldn't make it fit with a passion for Russia either. Anyway, I mainly need helping building the article, I do plan to supply all the info myself - I just don't have a clue what information belongs on the main article, and how to write the info that should go there. Anyway, i guess that's a discussion for February. Sertmann 19:03, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Map - Downtown Edmonton[edit]

I've seen some of your maps and I think they're beautiful work, that's why I was wondering if you were up for a small project, see Talk:Edmonton/Central and go to the bottom, thanks! Keep smiling, ee talk 20:54, 6 November 2008 (EST).

Cityguide[edit]

I screwed up, plain and simple. There have been times in the past when having the (foo)guide template caused the erroneous pronouncement that the thing bearing the template was a Guide article. That certainly isn't a problem with the existing Cityguide template. I've reverted it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:32, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Check collabroation of the month page[edit]

keep smiling, ee talk 14:26, 10 November 2008 (EST).

thankyou[edit]

Thanks for helping me get rid of that idiot who did all the horrible vandalism. Your a real pal! Keep smiling, ee talk 18:19, 12 November 2008 (EST).

No problem. I restored a few things that got lost in the way on Edmonton. In the future, it's best to hold off on making edits to a recently vandalized page to first make sure that everything has been cleaned up. You might also want to take a look at this page, which will give you an idea of how we deal with vandals and why. --Peter Talk 18:30, 12 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks. You are a kind humanoid. Sorry, I'm like famous for wierd expressions that make people laugh. Its fun. Another one is "Thank you kind soul". Just sounds awkward and's funny. Thank you anyways! How's Chicago? Keep smiling, ee talk 18:32, 12 November 2008 (EST).

the little talk button[edit]

Hey I was curious, how do you get the little talk button next to your user name when you sign posts? I've been looking around for the answer, and I'm sure it's staring me right in the face, but I can't find it. Could you help me? PerryPlanet 11:46, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Go to user profile under preferences, check the box "use raw html," and enter in the nickname box something like this:
[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small>
Hope that helps! --Peter Talk 11:58, 14 November 2008 (EST)
It seems to have - thank you! PerryPlanet Talk 13:21, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Edmonton Wiki Travel Press[edit]

I am talking with Jpatokal on whipping up a Edmonton travel guide book. I was wondering, since you did a fine job with Chicago, you'd be able to help A BIT with how things work and small edits. Would you be interested? Keep smiling, ee talk 13:34, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Sure, the content (i.e., text) updates are really pretty simple to do. You just remove listings that have closed, report transit route closures, and vet changes made by other contributors. The hard part, which requires a good deal of time and effort, is the maps. First, you have to change the maps to meet Wikitravel Press' standards—this takes a ton of time. (I spent an average of 3.5 hours per map conversion and 40 minutes per article conversion—but by this time I was already very familiar with inkscape.) The biggest changes to the maps are to adjust the color scheme for high color contrast (Wikitravel_talk:How_to_draw_a_map#Increasing_color_contrast_for_better_printing), to bold and darken text, and to change the size to exactly 1731x3008 pixels (or 3462x3008). That last task is very tricky, but you'll note that all maps throughout the Chicago districts conform to these standards (this one does too). So to get working on a WTP book, you'll need to get very familiar with Inkscape. Once you've already got a book out, the main task will be to update maps as listings are added or removed—this isn't too hard, but it is a bit of a pain to deal with all the uploads every month on top of the map editing itself. --Peter Talk 14:05, 15 November 2008 (EST)
Well Peter, it'll all probably be fine for me, because I'm not doing the maps:P. Shaund and PerryPlanet have done the maps-so they'd need to know this. Keep smiling, ee talk 14:10, 15 November 2008 (EST).

Edmonton DotM[edit]

I nominated Edmonton for DESTINATION OF THE MONTH in the nomination page...you seem to be experienced, so I'd love your opinion. Check it out! Thank - you! Keep smiling, ee talk 12:16, 17 November 2008 (EST).

darmstrong[edit]

I have something to pick at you. What I don't get is how you can revert my edits to an edit made by a user who is so blatant in the obvious fact that she is confused and thought it was a destination. I was trying to help! Then you say" User pages are for whatever the person wants to speak of", but yet they can't talk about their company that they work for. Now I know it can be considered an edit, yet you are letting people do mistakes and not helping them, but yet are getting rid of perfectly formed wrods about people's company which a lot of I don't think want to ad, they just want to talk about their working situation. Some yes, are obvious ads. But I just don't get it anymore. Anytime I try and help with this kind of stuff, I basically get hit in the head. Sorry if I did seem harsh, although I mean what I say. Maybe something isnt clear to me. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:31, 18 November 2008 (EST).

OK, several issues here. First, you really need to watch your tone on talk pages, particularly when dealing with new/inexperienced users—you often come off as inappropriately informal/unprofessional as well as aggressive. Second, please don't ever SHOUT again—it's considered very rude to type in all caps on a wiki, or really anywhere on the internet. Third, users can use their userspace in whatever fashion they like, and we will rarely intervene even if a user is using their userspace for touting (only if it's linkspam will we blank the page). Fourth, you should never comment on any page other than talk pages.
Now in this case, the new user might have been using their talk page as a sandbox, to try and figure out how wiki markup works. In that case, having their work deleted and replaced with your comment would be puzzling and possibly intimidating. Or its possible that they wished to write an article about Dekalb, but didn't know how to go about creating it. A more appropriate way to have handled this situation would have been to gently point the user to a link like Wikitravel:How to start a new page, or as it is, to point her towards the existing DeKalb article. With the aggressive way you handled it, my hunch is that Debbie will be turned off to contributing. --Peter Talk 20:44, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Sigh...I see where you are coming from. Oy I feel like such an idiot. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:55, 18 November 2008 (EST).
Regarding the caps: From you're first day around. it's not just that, but there are several times where peoples advices seems to go straight through you. That being said I think you've really improved lately, and you've been doing really great work on doing welcomes. But please please please, try to take peoples comments and advices to your heart, instead of taking them personal - I haven't seen of any of them as personal attacks, as you sometimes seem to do. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:01, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Well Sertmann, thank you for that. I am sorry, I forget some things, and I really do try to cut back-old habit's die hard. I try to make the most of each comment regarding me. If you think I thought this was a personal attack I didn't-initially maybe-but that last reply no. I am just sensitive, something I've said a couple times. I don't necessarily mean sugar coat or anything, I just take things seriously a lot (not saying you cant gimme a sweet joke or something) and take it to heart (or personal). M glad to see I'm improving. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:06, 18 November 2008 (EST).
I have found that following Peters advice is a good idea. He has been quite helpful to me in the past. 2old 10:17, 19 November 2008 (EST)

DC[edit]

Thanks for the welcome! Yes, with all the talk of the inauguration in DC, I figured it would be a good idea to have the travel guide updated. That section was seriously overworked and hadn't been updated since 2006. What I would really like to do is flesh out more of the itineraries. Do some that are "non-monument" tours (i.e. more city-oriented as opposed to just the National Mall). -Epicadam 13:07, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Obama-mania[edit]

We should probably leverage Obama-mania, worldwide phenomenon that it is, a little more heavily. What do you think about writing a brief Obama itinerary? You have a lot of the pieces already. We could work him into the main Chicago article intro as well. Gorilla Jones 00:42, 20 November 2008 (EST)

'Mazing[edit]

Amazing work as a moderator! Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:54, 20 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks ;) --Peter Talk 13:56, 20 November 2008 (EST)
De nada [You're welcome!]. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:57, 20 November 2008 (EST).

Re: Edit Ecuador[edit]

My pleasure I'm the web master of a tourist agency and I don't like publicity spam in wikis specially because I will use and contribute to this wiki. --Tapirlodge 11:17, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Raja[edit]

Hey Peter, I was wondering if you could go to my talk page and it should be the second last topic, "Raja1020", and just read over both our opinions, etc. on the topic and could you post your thoughts, I would love a 3rd opinion. I don't mind if you go against me-most people do so on here anyways, just voice your opinion in a polite manner, its a rather awkward situation. Thanks! ZOMG meteor on the prairies yesterday!!edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:58, 21 November 2008 (EST).

evan/maj[edit]

I was wondering where they were-appears they haven't been around in a long long time. What happened? I tried looking but came with no results. I find it odd because they are the founders. I was just thinkin you'd know since you seem to know a lot about this joint. Thanks. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:43, 23 November 2008 (EST).

They've had another baby, and Evan has been working on other projects. --Peter Talk 21:51, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Ah I see. So who runs the site? Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:05, 23 November 2008 (EST).
I do. --Peter Talk 22:07, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Hahahaha-that's the hilarious thing, I was guessing you. But it's odd a user runs the site, but then again, you're no ordinary contributer-you're amazing-you're the person behind the Chicago articles that eveyrone looks up to, you've done Wikitravel Press, and you're quite the admin. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:16, 23 November 2008 (EST).
Don't listen to him, it's a big fat lie if I ever saw one. It's an ill kept secret that this place is run by a group of highly trained monkeys, which an evil American corporation has captured somewhere at an undisclosed location in the southern hemisphere. Peter is merely something akin to wikitravel's Rafiki. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:44, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Haha wait-I am confused. Which one to believe. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:50, 23 November 2008 (EST).
I think we need a Wikitravel cage match to determine who the leader of this site is now that Evan is spending his days creating wikis about wine and life in Quebec. You, Jani, Cacahuate and others can battle it out. Perhaps we can get Mark to serve as impartial referee, and Sapphire can serve as MC if he isn't too busy with whatever he's doing over in Poland. Colin can probably also pitch in somehow, most likely by writing hotel bots and blocking spambots. I'm not sure about Stefan and his monkeys, but I'm sure getting them involved would drive up the TV ratings - everyone loves monkeys. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:51, 23 November 2008 (EST)
You know, if those damn monkeys didn't demand a different ip every day, I wouldn't have to block their old ones. But nooo -- they demand new ip addresses or more bananas, and one of those costs money. -- Colin 23:15, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Okay wait, so no one runs the site? Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:02, 23 November 2008 (EST).
I just told you, the moneys in the dungeon run this site - they pay them in bananas, and give them 10 minutes of sunlight every day. And then they are given weird IP user names to cover up when they loose their focus over the side man's hot red buttocks. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 23:07, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Okay seriously guys. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:10, 23 November 2008 (EST).
Ryan, if it can involve mud and the cage is electrified then I'm in – cacahuate talk 01:22, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Haha. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:37, 24 November 2008 (EST).
I know some people - give me a month, plus maybe two extra weeks to get the permits for the monkeys. Monkey permits are always tough to get around the holidays... -- Ryan • (talk) • 10:50, 24 November 2008 (EST)
I know watcha mean, I tried hippos and elephants a couple times in December---not very easy, and their prices skyrocket, it's unbeliveable! Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:48, 24 November 2008 (EST).

Australia's Northern Territory[edit]

Hey Peter, I hope you're well. I was wondering if you would be able to offer me some guidance regarding the pages I have contributed to. I am really interested in getting all the pages up to guide level if not stars, I know it's a big job but I think this region has a lot to offer travelers who are after new experiences. I have been referring to the manual of style as I populate each article, but if there is anything obvious that you can see is missing, or any way I can make these pages better I would love it. Lex 22:36, 23 November 2008 (EST)


Thank you so much for taking the time to help out, I really appreciate it! Lex 18:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Could use your help[edit]

Since you are the Chicago-guru; I think you could seriously help with my proposal in Talk:Edmonton/Central at the bottom-it would be super duper appreciated. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 23:40, 24 November 2008 (EST).

Can you RElook it? Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:10, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Never thanked you, thankyou! You have been very helpful! Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:19, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Help[edit]

Could you help in this/this situation? It is a little over whelming. I think it's an edit war. Keep smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:43, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Edit conflict Mumbai[edit]

Hi!

The Mumbai page seems to be blocked by the spam filter. I just wanted to add a warning box for the current terroist attack that is ongoing. Can you do it as an admin? jan 16:21, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Hey[edit]

Thanks --StregaNona 00:53, 28 November 2008 (EST) oh and Happy Holidays! :)

No problem, and same to you! --Peter Talk 00:59, 28 November 2008 (EST)

StregaNona[edit]

Hey, Peter, what's up with reverting StregaNona on sight? I don't see anything incriminating in his/her contribution history. LtPowers 19:44, 28 November 2008 (EST)

He's been around for years on the site, and is the reason we have a term called "page creation trolling." His sole goal here is to waste our time (particularly in getting us to discuss how to deal with him), and we decided a while back to give latitude to choose whether to revert on sight, or to take a softer approach. I tend towards the former. → discussion --Peter Talk 03:27, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Sorry to jump in, but this very lengthy discussion resulted from this user. In the case of StregaNona I checked out a number of the places on Wikipedia, and several were for census-designated places (not even towns) that weren't the official address for the hotels listed. Deletion/reversion seems like the best way to deal with this stuff. -- Ryan • (talk) • 10:56, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Hey, no problem. I knew Peter had to have a good reason. =) It just looked odd. I didn't think to check the deletion log, which is probably where the tip-off edits are now. LtPowers 13:43, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Millersburg Reversion[edit]

Any particular reason why you reverted Millersburg? I was just told by Texugo that it was allowed to have what I added there. You guys really need to work on consistency if you insist on policing everything. What the heck am I allowed to post if one of you says it's okay and another comes behind and wipes it out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Silenyjizda (talkcontribs)

Spamming your hotel across lots of pages is not a good way to build trust in your account here. I reverted your edits en masse because you were widely violating our Wikitravel:Don't tout policy. I actually only meant to revert your addition of a photo of your lodging to the page, but I wasn't spending a lot of time checking over this, since I assumed from your other edits that all of them were basically undesirable. --Peter Talk 17:36, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I was not 'spamming' my hotel. It isn't even 'my' hotel and is only a place of lodging that I frequent on regular basis when visiting and know a great deal about it and its location. I frequent it and a few others as well which I intended to list. I was only placing the information in the areas of interest in which this particular lodging facility is located using a format that is still used on other listings. While I understand the 'placing it only in the closest city' rule I still find issue with why another lodging facility is listed in Holmes County page but not the one I have tried to list or any others for that matter. The particular one that still stands there is located within walking distance to the one I am trying to list with the same Millersburg city address. Your rules at best are inconsistent and unequally applied as I've seen and pointed out. Having also read over the information regarding the area Amish population on the page I find major points being incorrect or greatly misunderstood and misrepresented. Having friends that are former Amish and Amish alike I was interested in correcting these errors with realistic factual information. However, it appears that anything I write at this point will be deleted en masse by any of the countless people here that are not enforcing a level field. That being the case I have no real desire at this point to really provide anymore of what could be considered valuable information to the average or seasoned traveler. Best of luck having anyone else even try in the near future.--Silenyjizda

No, if you follow the guidelines from this point your work won't be reverted. The rules are not inconsistent, although not all content on the site conforms to them, as it is not possible for volunteers (i.e., everyone on the site) to police every contribution. A wiki is always a work in progress, and if you see room for improvement (for example, if other hotels are listed in inappropriate places) fix it yourself! --Peter Talk 23:15, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Hey[edit]

No hard feelings about last week? Also maybe ive missed it...how do you merge? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:53, 2 December 2008 (EST).

Just move one of the articles to the desired new name. Then cut and paste the information from the outdated district articles to the new one, and change the old district pages to redirects. --Peter Talk 20:36, 2 December 2008 (EST)

List policy[edit]

Hi Peter: thanks for pointing the policy on lists out to me. Things have gotten busy at work recently, so I've had less time to look at Wikitravel, but I'll be sure to keep this in mind when I start up again. Best regards, Jim Jnich99 05:17, 3 December 2008 (EST)


Highway navigation box[edit]

Hi there. I have proposed a new sort of navigation box here. I would really appreciate your input. Texugo 06:46, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Pretty please? Everyone seems really anxious to start rolling this out, but I want to make sure our strongest contributors like you are behind this, since it may very well sweep the site. The discussion is now here. Thanks in advance! Texugo 11:45, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Thanks for your response. The policy page is up and running, and new discussions are sprouting like wildfire. Please have a look here when you have a moment. Thanks again. Texugo 21:01, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Please stop deleting my listings[edit]

Dear Peter, From what i can see from the recent changes list you are erasing the listings for my business acadia park kayak tours from pages for different areas and towns in Maine. Please stop this. I am a legitimate business relevant to these locations and deserve to be listed as much as anyone else —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brescian (talkcontribs)

User_talk:Brescian. --Peter Talk 22:48, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Moshi[edit]

Hi Peter - I noticed that the most recent edit to the Moshi page deleted a security warning about Buffalo Hotel. I wasn't sure if that was desirable, so I noted it on the talk page. Is this good / is there a preferred way of handling cases like this ? Thanks. - Alingelb 07:58, 7 December 2008 (EST)


Costa Rica[edit]

how come my costa rica cities mods keep getting removed? the city and link of "Quesada - the largest city by far in the country's North, surrounded by hot springs popular with Costa Rican vacationers" is a small city that has 0 tourist value, the one I add Jaco is one of the most popular beach cities in costa rica. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.195.60.222 (talkcontribs)

Right, we try to impose a limit of 9 cities or regions per page, what you should do is go to the Talk page and try get a consensus on replacing Quesada with Jaco, also consider signing up, it makes communication easier :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:20, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Monterey[edit]

Hi, Peter!

The policy says external links should go to: "Official tourist offices for a destination." I thought I was following the guides by linking to Monterey County's official travel site. www.montereyinfo.org is the official website of the Monterey County Convention and Visitors Bureau. If that is not an official tourist office for a destination, then what qualifies? Rednikki 13:28, 10 December 2008 (EST)

I looked at your edits in more detail. It appears you've rolled back all the edits. Can you tell me what I did wrong by giving detail on the Grapevine Express (the local public bus that goes to all the wineries), and providing a link to MST's page on that route? It's the official transit system site, which seems to fall under "Official government Web sites." It is also, definitively, the primary source.
I'm really not trying to be a pedant. I just followed rules #1 and #2, and found my edits rolled back anyway, and I'm trying to understand why. I'm afraid to make any more edits, as every edit, even the ones that only fixed the bad grammar, were rolled back. Rednikki 13:32, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Peter, thanks for the clarifications on my Talk page. I'll keep them in mind, and when I have a little more time on my hands I'll make some great revisions! (Also, yeah, apparently my browser was cacheing just that one page, hence my confusion. Grrr arrrgh.) Rednikki 14:50, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Actually, I do have more questions. The official tourism site has sections dedicated to other tourist destinations within the county that have their own pages on Wikitravel (such as Pacific Grove and Carmel.
If I'm linking to the official tourism site, do I link to the top-level page for the site, or the top-level page for the destination in question? My instinct is to link to the top-level page for the destination, but I'd rather ask and be clear than do it and be redacted. :-)
If linking to the destination page rather than the top-level page: Wikitravel has Carmel Valley and Carmel-by-the-Sea all in one page, Carmel. Would I link the term Carmel-by-the-Sea to the C-B-T-S area on the official website and the CV mention to the CV area on the official website? On the one hand, it's two links to the site; on the other hand, it's more helpful to the user, since they're two different areas and are located miles apart.
Thanks for helping me get all this sorted! I want to make sure my edits are correct and helpful. Rednikki 15:02, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Thanks again, Peter! You've been a huge help to me in figuring out how best to tackle this. I'm going to go one page at a time and try to get as many destinations on the Central Coast cleared up as possible. Rednikki 12:04, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Sakhalin[edit]

Saw you made a map of Kurils when I searched though Wikimedia commons, and was just wondering if you have any SVG with an outline of Sakhalin island itself lying around, that I could develop on? --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:35, 10 December 2008 (EST)

OK, spend the better part of day doing some research on Okha, in an attempt to get the last two cities up to usable status. And I was wondering if you could lend me your Russian skills, and write nord-stranger@mail.ru, if we could get permission to upload a few of the surprisingly good images at http://oxa.nar(spamfilter)od.ru/photoalbum2.html under a CC licence - from the google translated version I understand that they are mainly interested in receiving due credit anyway. I don't know, maybe also ask them if they could supply some entries for some cafes and restaurants, as there are none listed online. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:17, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Collaboration of the month[edit]

Hi Peter,

I added Cuzco and Manila on the Wikitravel:Collaboration_of_the_week but they didn't show up on the page. When I edit the text I can see my addins. What is wrong? Thanks,jan 14:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks for your reply but the problem still exists even when i change from IE to Firefox or Safari and cleaned up all my chaches... Still AHeenen is shown from 12th Dec. as last change jan 03:56, 17 December 2008 (EST)
Afer purging the cache it now works perfect. Thanks Mate!jan 14:28, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Totally OT...[edit]

Hey, Peter! I just found this thing, and Im wondering if it's you, [8]. Sorry, I just found it odd. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:32, 16 December 2008 (EST).

Medellin[edit]

Peter, thanks for your encouragement on the work for the page. Medellín is a nice city and deserves a Wikitravel article to match. CONOCER

Hi Peter[edit]

I am just wondering, as Edmonton is supposidly CotM next month, will the new format via CotMs change Edmonton being the next CotM because I am getting stuff ready for it and am kind of excited - I mean I hope to make it quite successful. Or, will it just fit into the regular format for the new style? I hope you see where I am coming from and I am totally sorry if this was already brought up as I may have forggotten/didnt read parts. Sorry! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 17:32, 18 December 2008 (EST).

So willl there even be a CotM next month, I mean if it is coming up next week, it is a short voting time for one next month and you should know at least a day in advance. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:38, 19 December 2008 (EST).

Lookiing at that Cotm page and your formula for Mexico City, I can honestly say that three nominations have been made already that look similar to that format for noms: Copenhagen, Calgary, and Edmonton. Although, quite honestly I see where you are changing things, I mean the current format only requires a basic list. It will be also good because the people nominating will have to put work into noms which make it not get spammed as easily and shows the people really care, good work. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:08, 19 December 2008 (EST).

Thanks[edit]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your tactful direction. I guess that was a bit presumptuous to change the heading. Just getting started here.

Please explain to me the reason for not allowing the link to www.dominical.biz. Is this because it is a portal? It appears that links to internal pages are permitted?

Thanks again!

Ben Vaughn

Wondering.[edit]

I keep looking for you to pop up as an Obama Cabinet apointee. Are you holding out for wikiczar? 2old 15:23, 19 December 2008 (EST)

WHAT!!!!? I bought that Wikiczar position from Blagojevich! You can't have it! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:09, 19 December 2008 (EST)
Ha! Unfortunately the new administration has ruled out czars [9], so my Caesarean aspirations may be thwarted (I should have chatted up the man at Valois back when he was just some small time senator). And Andrew, I fear you're falling into a Blowdryovitch folie et deux. --Peter Talk 03:17, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Manager[edit]

Hi Peter! I remember you saying in the CotM page that we will need someone to manage the CotM system when the new system is impleneted. I was wondering if I could do that. But before I fully agree or anything, would you mind throwing out some of the stuff I would do? I mean, to me, it sounds like an interesting thing to do, but I wanna know what I am getting into. What do you think? I could do well, and be fair! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 15:21, 19 December 2008 (EST).

Edmontonenthusiast, I just want to point out that you'd have no control over anything really. If someone else came along and decided to update it before you or make changes to something, then that's how it works - the wiki way. Plus, you don't really have to commit to anything, because you do what you can and if you can't do it sometimes then someone else will pick up the pieces. It must really be cold in Canada if it's this cold (just south), so have a fun and cold day! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:06, 19 December 2008 (EST)
Hey, thanks, I didn't mean it in a "controlling" way, just someone who manages it and makes sure everything is properly done and is going by the rules, etc. But thankyou. LOL - about the cold. Actually it isn't too cold here, well it is, but not as bad as Las Vegas and St. Louis are getting lol! But Toronto is getting pretty hard as that's where the storms headed and there's been so many flight cancellations. Edmonton is at -25°C, I don't know what that is in farenheit, but it's just a little below our average for right now (-16°C). Honestly, here, if you bundle up, you should be fine, as long as there is no wind (or under 20 k/hour)- that's when it is bloody murder. Thanks, you have a awesome chilly day too! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:13, 19 December 2008 (EST).
This sort of discussion should be moved to Wikitravel talk:Collaborations of the month since it is about a community process and not specific to Peter. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:12, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Vladivostok map[edit]

From one Russo-phile to another, could you add a map of central Vladivostok to your queue? I don't think I'll be able to raise it to guide status for lack of Buy, Eat, and Drink options - I was there more than four years ago, and didn't do much of the three - but I think it could become a pretty useful article for travelers. Gorilla Jones 21:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah, it's in good shape. I would cut it: north where Aleutskaya curves into Oktoberskaya (or even a block or two before, if necessary), east where Korabelskaya ends, and south a little way below the train station...perhaps where Naberezhnaya comes in from the sea. (West, obviously, is the sea.) Does that make sense? A couple of sights will be left out, but that's all right. Thanks! Gorilla Jones 23:40, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Internal compasses and all that.[edit]

Hi peter,

Thanks for your comment.

Montreal is a unique city European by nature and just a bit offset. Although we do our best to make tourists as comfortable as possible, notwithstanding the snow, if you ask directions they will be based on our skewed compass.

When can I expect a visit from you?

Stacey —The preceding comment was added by Redbear (talkcontribs) .

District map for Detroit[edit]

Hey, Peter! Detroit needs a map for its districts. I see that you've made some, such as the Chicago one, and I was wondering if you could create one for Detroit? I'm not sure what info you need to create one, so whatever you need to know I can tell you. Merry Christmas! --Local hero 16:28, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Hi Peter! I know we've had it rough together and we have had arguements, but I still want to wish you a Merry Christmas :). Why? You have been extremely helpful despite the Disagreements and have helped me figure out the rules. I really want to thank you. All the best in the New Year :). Happy holidays, edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:43, 25 December 2008 (EST).

Hoax[edit]

Hi - I see from your userpage you are an admin - I'm a wikipedia editor (generally) and one of our regular vandals has been busy here Draafstein is a hoax - thought I'd stop by and let someone know. --Cameron Scott 18:49, 26 December 2008 (EST)

I just wanted to give you my reasoning and a small question[edit]

Hopefully, this doesn't come across as anything wrong. I don't see how it would. Anyways, the point of me not reading everything relevent to helping me understand a topic in travelers pub is because, well, I don't have the time and I would be completely bored. Besides, I said I would read some of it. I shouldn't have to be bored or feel like I need to read certain things ... rules aside. There is just too much reading because I looked at it and I would rather be doing other Wikitravel stuff, or, well, living my life. Anyways, you probably wonder why I am telling you this...well just cause you reverted the comment in travelers pub so maybe you didn't understand myside. Anyways, I also have a question. Why did that coment get reverted? I don't see why it was harmful or waseful or bad or against rules. So - to help me for future reference could you please help me by explaining - that would be really appreciated. Hope it's cleared up and we don't get into arguements. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:37, 30 December 2008 (EST).

Peter's not going to answer you, but I will. Simply put, the topic of the article headings has been discussed to death, and you're wasting everybody else's time if you don't even have the common courtesy to read and understand what the current consensus is before spouting off your own opinions. And whining about how it's "boring" or how you don't "have time to" or you "shouldn't have to" read it is even more obnoxious; everybody else participating did it, so put up or shut up. Jpatokal 22:38, 30 December 2008 (EST)

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