User talk:Peterfitzgerald/Archives 2007
Hey, I was wondering if you ever though about utilizing networks of ex-pats and English/German/etc speaking youth in Georgia and other places to help build up information on the country? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cupcakecommander (talk • contribs)
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Wow, nice work getting it started! - Cacahuate 01:23, 28 February 2007 (EST)
You asked about satellite imaging a few days ago and depending on how dedicated you are to expanding our Eurasian guides. I'm looking into a program, which may provide these images. If you'll remind me within the next three days to get back to you about it I'll let you know, if it works. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:19, 5 March 2007 (EST)
Photo of Charleston WV
Your picture of the Capitol building in Charleston is beautiful! Unless you object, I've added it to the main West Virginia page. Funnily enough, I was just thinking that it would be nice to put a picture of the Capitol there, and not an hour later I stumbled upon yours. Thanks for posting it! — Haem85 03:29, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
Hello Peter, I just saw your map about the US states you visited. It looks like a map we are searching for weeks now. I made a template on the German version of Wikitravel showing the location of a city in the country. To make it easy to use, you only have to give a "map code" and the coordinates (latitude/longitude). The problem with this system is, that we need a special map projection so that the template can easyly calculate the position of a given location in the map.
I could not find a good map about the US so what we are using now is not really nice, look at de:New_York_City/Manhattan. So it would be nice if you could upload a plain version of your map! Thanks! --Flip666 writeme! • 19:15, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
Peter: I'm really glad to hear that you're overhauling the Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy for Russia. Could you do me a favor and document the hierarchy on Talk:Russia, just so it's clear to everyone working on Russian articles? The hierarchical list format on Talk:Southern California/Hierarchy is useful, but you can also just make a list like in Talk:China#Regions. Thanks, --Evan 12:59, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
You have several Russian region articles proposed for deletion because they've been replaced in the new scheme. I just turned Primorskiy Krai into a redirect instead. This is cheap and it means anyone who searches for that spelling will find the correct page. Can others be handled the same way? Ir looks possible to me, but I don't know Russia. Pashley 08:35, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
feedback for wikitravel
Hi, thanks for your email about the East Sussex pages, i live in East sussex and guide books seem to pass it over, so thought i'd add a little somethign to the page; anyway, Ive contacted you since you appear to be quite big in 'wikitravel' and was wondering if you could give me the contact details fo the founders/ programmers/ owners of wikitravel, as I ahve an idea...
Hi, I ahve a problem with editing my local area, I am trying to create a page for Heathfield, Sussex, but there is already a Heathfield, Australia, how can I create a Heathfield sussex page without having to call it (as I ahev already tried to do) heathfield_uk which doesnt seem to be in line with wikitravels formatting proceedures.
From tomorrow, i will add more images to Georgia article. Thanks a lot for your massage. Love Georgia. CanadianTraveler 15:40, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Thanks - it did get me thinking that there are lots of cities that aren't listed on a region page. I think I'll make that my next undertaking. -- Fastestdogever 22:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Hi Peter, Gori sounds like an interesting place. For gneral guidance on articles, see Wikitravel:Manual of style and probably more usefully, Wikitravel:Small city article template. For this article, I think it needs specific information on the attractions and sleep, buy listings etc so that you can really plan your trip - addresses, phone numbers, opening hours, prices etc. I gather from the article that there are probably not many more listings to add, but those that are there could be sharpened up a bit. Let me know if you want any further advice on this. -- DanielC 16:44, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
You mentioned about working on some district articles for Chicago (particularly Hyde Park) a while back. Just letting you know that its a good idea as the main article is a bit too big and could do with some of the actual listings being tucked away to make the article easier to read. However, it's worth waiting until there's a bit of a consensus before going ahead with splitting up an article as it can be a bit of a waste of time if you do too many districts and have to redo them! I will have a scour round and see if I can find some people who know Chicago reasonably well to comment on the splitting and make some suggestions (I can't - I've never been there before!) -- -- Tim (writeme!) 14:48, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
The copyright looks good as well, from their FAQ:
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If you need help getting the tracing done, let me know.
--NJR_ZA 16:29, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
Setting the path width: Object→Fill and Stroke→Stroke Style ... you will find an option to set the stroke width there.
Individual opbects: Once I have completed the trace, I create layers for each object I want, then I copy the trace onto one of those layers, delete the paths that don't belong there and join the paths that are left to become one object. Repeat for each object you want. It's a bit more work, but you do end up with a much move useful and flexible map. --NJR_ZA 01:50, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
Automated tracing potrace vs. autotrace
I've been looking at autotrace and it seems to do a rather better job than potrace (the tracer embedded in inkscape). It has a centerline option that results in the output generating a path rather than an enclosed shape, exactly what you wanted earlier.
You might want to give this one a try.
Best results so far are on black and white images and they are not perfect yet, but definitely workable; I'll continue testing.
Command line options are quite easy to use \autotrace-0.31.1-w32>autotrace -output-file testout.svg -output-format svg -report-progress -centerline testin.gif
Hey, I wanna join the party! Am I right in seeing that it's only for Windows? If I have to manually trace another map I'm gonna have a meltdown... just finished Asia... uggghh.... – cacahuate talk 21:48, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
West Virginia Map
That map looks good to me. Correct font, wikitravel logo and matches the article.
As far as the article goes, I would rather swap the first map on that article with the photo just below it, maps are nice, but a photo describes a region or place a lot better than a map and it is alway nicer and better to have a photo as the intro image rather than a map.
--NJR_ZA 16:51, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
The Siberia map looks great. However, I have a question: At the moment, Siberia is divided into three regions - Eastern Siberia, Krasnoyarsk Krai, and Western Siberia. On the map, the former is color coded blue and the latter green. However, Krasnoyarsk Krai appears to comprise only one section of the large purple area. Is there a name for that whole region that includes Taymyria and Evenkia in addition to Krasnoyarsk Krai? Incidentally, thanks for all your help with the Russian articles. You've really made a very positive and helpful contribution. Cheers. WindHorse 03:37, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
Cities of the Russian Federation
So, I wanted to draw your attention to Wikitravel:World cities#Russian Federation. It might be a good idea to make sure all of those cities are listed in the new hierarchy for Russia. What would be great would be to actually make stubs for each! --Evan 11:47, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
Discussion moved to Talk:Russia#Oblasts
I've just nominated you as a Wikitravel administrator. See Wikitravel:Administrators for what that entails and Wikitravel:Administrator_nominations#Nominations for the discussion of your nomination. Please let us know on the latter page whether you accept. Pashley 23:58, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
Looks good. To add the internet cafes, I think you should add a Contact heading to the annotation box (to keep them matching the sections in the article) and list the internet cafes under there. Unfortunately we do not have an internet cafe icon on the template yet. I'll build us one this afternoon and add it to the template. Will let you know when it is ready. --NJR_ZA 01:29, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
Hi Peter, I like what you did with the map...much easier to read. Scratch the earlier message, assuming you got it. I figured out how to edit SVG files and made a few minor changes--added the bus terminal, post office, and repositioned Gori State University. Please check and see if it meets with your approval. I'm going to see a few friends this weekend, and going to try to get them to help edit the pages for their respective sites.
Wow! I didn't mean to rain on your parade. Sorry but for some reason I had overlooked the neighbourhoods discussion, and so I just forged ahead. I think your scheme is pretty close to the one that I was trying to implement, with a couple of exceptions.
I think one of the main goals with these district pages should be to create coherent pages with enough information for a traveller. Unfortunately if we just split up the city from the point of view of locals we'll wind up with pages (as in the case of the port of Chicago) with practically no information at all.
Anyhow, I'll give the talk page a read, and comment there. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one interested in fixing this up. -- Mark 08:12, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
Congratulations on finishing Russia (or at least the regioning of it)! The underlying structure of a guide like Wikitravel isn't sexy work, but it makes a huge difference to have it done, and to have it done well. I hereby award you this Wikitravel Barnstar for your efforts. - Todd VerBeek
Have you spent much time in Baku? If so, I've attempted to split that huuuuuuge list of restaurants up into budget/mid/splurge categories, but to be completely honest, I just picked arbitrary points to split at (up to 10 AZN as budget, 10-20 AZN as mid and 20+ AZN as splurge) so it would be great if you could just give it a quick check! Also, there's a whole bunch without prices which I plonked into mid range - if you know any of them, please put them into the correct place. -- Tim (writeme!) 13:29, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
More Gori Additions
Hey, I've been slowly but surely adding info to the Gori page. When you get a chance, please look over what I have so far. Feedback appreciated. Thanks!Cuttino 07:36, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
Hi I don't want to screw up your grand job of sorting out our Georgia regions, so please can you link/move/delete/redirect Samegrelo-Zemo_Svaneti as is necessary? -- Tim (writeme!) 17:27, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
Great map! One -probally nitpicky- thing, it is Sheki, not Shekhi because it is Şəki, not Şəkhi. Not really important though. Hope that you are doing well! Thanks again!Cupcakecommander 00:04, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
Brits and towns
Brits have a problem with the "Cities" header because someone (presumably of an ecclesiastical nature) once decreed that only a settlement with a cathedral was a "city". (Don't ask me how this is supposed to work in places where non-cathedral-building religions are prevalant.) Even to this day there's some bureaucratic nonsense involved for a city in the UK to be allowed to call itself a "city". - Todd VerBeek 09:01, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
Le Mans map
Hello. Yep, I will upload the SVG map, but I am still working on it to also add a wide overview including the circuit. Give me on or two days. :) Tensaibuta 11:24, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
I did the change about Ardennes, you reverted recently. Even though there are not other articles about Ardennes than Champagne-Ardennes one, Ardennes refer primarily to the hill range tha is mostly in Belgium (see wikipedia article. Redirecting to the region seems quite odd to me. I guess it's more correct to do either an article of its own, either to write a disambiguation article such as the one I wrote. Redirecting from Ardennes to Champagne-Ardennes is simply not correct.Whistopathe22.214.171.124 12:45, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
why the reversion of the highly useful notes on closed clubs and luxurious hotels in the Berlin-Mitte section? Also: the Nikolaiviertel is NOT a reconstructed historical quarter! It just looks a bit like one...
So, somthing(nun-possesive) sexi is some type of workshop or factory in Azeri. The accent for Şəki changes the k to a ch (ç), so that is where you may be confused there. Thanks so much for changing it. If you ever find yourself up this way, please let me know! I'll be here for 15 more months. Cupcakecommander 01:17, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
Sweet map! Gorilla Jones 13:39, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Mountaineering trip in the Caucasus about 20 years ago. We were climbing Mount Elbrus, but had to retreat owing to my wife getting pulmonary edema. We just barely strayed into Georgia as a result of the improvisation we worked to get her to lower altitude. See Altitude sickness -- pulmonary edema is a thing where, if you stay high, you die; if you descend, you live, it's that simple. So if somebody gets it, you go DOWN NOW and worry about the logistics later. Fascinating trip, anyway, medical emergency or no medical emergency. BTW, thanks for all the stuff you've done on the FSU. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 00:56, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
Sorry I didn't notice this before - on the big map, there's an apostrophe in Rogers Park that shouldn't be there. (Not Roger's Park.) Gorilla Jones 19:35, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
South Side stars
As I recall, you said you're not in Chicago and won't be for a few months. Let me know if there's anything you can't do/get in your quest to make those articles stars. I'll see if I can help. Gorilla Jones 21:09, 21 June 2007 (EDT)
Hi Peter, thanks for your edit. However, all the sacred mountains in China have been given their own articles because they usually have (much) accommodation plus a multitude of other places of interest which cannot be covered on a regional article or city article. Please take a look at the mountain section listed under China#Other destinations. WindHorse 05:15, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
It's best to just ignore this guy - he's been appearing regularly for over a year in various forms. See Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy#Union (Maine) and Ocean Park. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:32, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
Coop's discount something or another
The reason the name wasn't showing up is because the name of the shop wasn't contained within quotation marks immediately following the name=. You can see what I did to fix it, but it's kind of hard to notice since I simply moved one mark. Here's the diff. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 06:16, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
That deep dish pizza photo is one heck of a find. My god, that thing is huge! Gorilla Jones 18:54, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
Peter, Copied from the above section -
I'd be interested to hear more from you on this. --The.Q 11:45, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
Northwest Ireland, Sligo and Letterkenny
These are a few thoughts, if I thought harder about it (which I will do!) I'd possibly change a few of them. I'll come back to this. --The.Q 08:20, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
Does this help, or make it more difficult??!! --The.Q 10:24, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
Peter, the maps look great. Well done!! At a quick first glance, the only error I can see is on the Image:Ireland road map.png the spelling of Monaghan is incorrect, you have it spelt with an e, i.e., Moneghan. Other than that, they're great. Having a quick look at the Ireland page, I can see that a lot of changes will need to be made if this page is to help travellers across the whole island, i.e., the infobox on the side needs to ahve the Union flag as well as the Irish flag, the capitals need to be Dublin and Belfast, the population needs to be increased, the two different currencies need to be mentioned, Etc., Etc., Etc. Other wise Northern Ireland could quickly end up gettign lost. I'll see what I can do about some of the changes, but I'm supposed to be working today (!) I'll also have a wee look at the Ireland regional pages, and let you know. Well done again. --The.Q 04:55, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
In my Jazz and Blues spiel, I put the HotHouse in the Near South, but I note that the listing has been placed in the Loop article. Which is correct? Gorilla Jones 14:36, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
Since you're a Rus-ophile
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/world/europe/08moscow.html?th&emc=th – cacahuate talk 15:19, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
Your skyline photo's are a great idea for visitors!! Wish I had that when I visited there!! Any photo's of Field Aquarium, my favorite Chicago stop? 2old 10:12, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
Hi Peter. Thanks for your work on the Irelend article. However, I personally don't think that a full consensus had yet been reached to change the title. Therefore, I have added the discussion from the Republic of Ireland Talk page for future reference. Also, there is a map of Ireland superimposed over the main text of the article. Where do you want this to be placed? Take it easy. WindHorse 21:55, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
Pictures by Flowergirl
Peter, thanks for the nice comments on my pictures. the uploading of pictures seems to be odd. I do u/l them, but have to do it twice, in order to get the image link in proper format style..
Is there another way to u/l them?
And do you have a quick search bar, to get to flikr.
Also, I will check out the other place you mentioned, to d/l the pictures to. I will read up on it, tomorrow.;)
Images are my specialty, and so pleased that you appreciated my efforts.:
Flowergirl 00:03, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
More Chicago material
I'm done-ish with the Near North. I need to take some photos, re-write some things (and expand Navy Pier), maybe mention Marina City, and format the hotels, but I don't foresee adding many new listings, unless I happen to stumble across something. I'm satisfied with the range of options for eat and sleep. I need to figure out which of Chicago's theaters are in that area, and I wonder if some/all of the individual River North art dealers should be listed under Buy - if so, I'd have to list them all, since I don't know one from another.) Give it a couple of days, and then map-away.
I'll take a whack at the Understand for the skyline article. I don't think you need a lot there - the pictures speak for themselves ("Really Tall Buildings"). Gorilla Jones 00:24, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
We are extremly shocked that details (Phone,webpage linketc.) is being edited from Article of MANDARMONI each & every time. Could you tell me how & why? we r the best in mandarmoni. Regards The sana Beach —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
Very good work! I will be taking it with me next time. 2old 13:51, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
Thanks for Beijing edits
You fixed a hotel entry on Beijing -- thanks, it's much better now. --Julian Suddaby 22:38, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
thanks for the encouragement. i went back and checked all the links i added to ensure that they were referencing official sites. since i've only been adding bars and outside town tourist destinations it was fairly easy to ensure that these were not merely promotional outside links. perhaps i shouldn't add any external links at all? Euanthes 05:30, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
Far Southwest Side
Only 18,000 characters in one edit? You're slowing down. (Producing a virtually star-quality travel guide for the Far Southwest Side may rank as your most remarkable achievement yet.) As before, let me know if there's any legwork I can do from here. I've been meaning to call the Far Southeast hotels for price and basic descriptions. I'm swamped with work at the moment, but I'm going to try to get a selection of Near North art dealers into that article, so hold off a couple more days on updating the map. Gorilla Jones 11:12, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
Hi Peter I had a look through the Northland area and realised that you americanos have not much of a clue about our area. I did a few corrections and explanations on Northland The Hokianga is also very hard to tame into cyberspace. It has no cities and often little clusters of houses. For instance the Wairere Valley B&B is not in Horeke (it is in Wairere, just a cluster of about 5 houses) and so is the Mangungu Mission House it is in Ivydale. The templets of Wikitravel do not really suit our circumstances and the system should be a bit more flexible as it is at the moment. What shall I do with the Tui Cottage and the Wairere Valley B&B??
You can also e-mail me on felix at wairereboulders.co.nz
Hi Peter, thanks for your help so far. I would like to know how to set up the navigation on top of a page. Some of it is wrong, see Hokianga . The Far North is missing between Northland and Hokianga I am working all over the Northland area to set the basics The structure of Northland is as follows
How can I create the navigation on the differnt files (on top of the page) for these places.
Otherwise I think I can manage. I just try to lay down the structure for Northland and than start working on the Far North and Hokianga. That will give me plenty to do beside runnning a farm and a tourism operation.
Where will I get my answer? Is it in my talk? I am pretty new in this game, so if you do not hear from me again please send an e-mail to mailto:email@example.com
Thanks for your help, Felix
Dear Peter, thanks for your help on Navigation. It worked.
I think the bosses of Wikitravel have to do some serious thinking on what goes where. I tried to read up the policies, but there is so much to take in. I have concerns about listings. For instance the Sand Dunes They are a part of Opononi which is part of the Far North which is part of Northland being part of the North Island.
I have listed them in all places, but such procedures will clog up the system. Where should attractions be listed? New Zealand has policies in creating "Highlights" which can be listed in more places than ordinary places. For instance the "Wairere Boulders" http://www.wairereboulders.co.nz are one of the Highlights due to its worldwide importance. If everyone in Northland would list on the North Island page we would get a congestion.
The same with photos! How many times shall the same photo come up. See Horeke Far North Northland North Island. I think it needs a policy or supervisor there as well. Also how many pictures from the same place can be displaied. I coud put in 20 different pics of the Wairere Boulders and if everyone would do that....
Who makes these policies? I could not find any hints, other than to be reasonable.
Maybe you can help,
Hi Peter, thanks for all the info. I will try to I had a look at the New Zealand page. You asked me to reduce the number of cities to 9
(New Zealand right now has too many—could you help trim the cities and other destinations to 9?). This is very difficut And I would suggest to have 9 per Island. To your guidelines to edit details for cities. I had a look at the Bay of Islands page. Someone has put in the description of all the towns instead of opening new pages. It needs correction but I am on 28.8 kbps.... if I am lucky. It happened here http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Bay_of_Islands&diff=next&oldid=445784
Also I am sorry for my spelling or syntax. My mother tounge is German but luckily Wind Horse is "spying" on me to get it right.
We will ge it right in time, thank you for your help.
I was editing Far North but the page disapeared. Are there any backups, so it can be reloaded. There was a lot of data on it.
Real Cities in NZ
I had a serious discussion with Rita (my wife) about cities in NZ. There are only 3 big cities in NZ. Akl, Wgt, ChCH (Christchurch) 50% of the NZ population lives in these cities. All other places are much smaller. I think it is better if you remove all other cities from the New Zealand page. I do not want to get "lynched" for such an action. All other cities are listed in North Island and South Island which would make sense to me. And just by the way.... I think the Amber House should not be on that page. It should be moved to Nelson.
Hope you had a good time in Baltimore.
I resolved the problem with the Far North page. It came up at my neighbours place, so I cleared my cache and... bingo. Unfortunately I have to reload my cache again which is a darg with 28.8 kbps
a remark to the following principle outlined by you.
When deciding what to list (or what to show in photographs) on a given region, common practice is to choose the most prominent (i.e., most visited) attractions/destinations and to try to represent different regions equally.
The Wairere Boulders are now open about 3 to 4 years and already attracting around 7'000 visitors a year already. It is also new and stunning and just on the verge of getting in into all major tourism guides.
Waitangi an ancient tourism site attracts about 100'000 visitors a year and is one of the better known places.
I personally think that Waitangi is not half as interesting as the two new places. So shall Wikitravel just become another boring edition of AA, Jason or Lonely Planet? Or shall Wikitravel be a site with fresh ideas and include a lot of interesting sites.
I hope that the public will put in all these fantastic and little known places to open up the world to its full potential.
What do you think?
Kia Ora Peter
I agree to remove Gisborne.
Yes I will defend my reasoning when it comes to special places. There are such interesting places in NZ, yet unknown to travelers. We send a lot of people to Omahuta Kauri Sanctuary (one of my next entries) and they all come back and say... why did nobody tell us. The same with the Koutu Boulders. Everyone knows Moeraki, but Koutu is far more spectacular unmatched world wide, yet only a few start to know. The same with the Sculptures on the sand dunes. They are only matched by the Frasier Islands one. And yet very few seem to know. But Hokianga is changing it with its advertisement strategy.
I am not able to do an article about NZ's geological attractions. I do not know them and secondly I am a civil engineer and have studied mainly Swiss geology. I know NZ is full of these fantastic places and I will go and visit them soon. Maybe I should spend less time on Wikitravel and do more real travel. But we often go back to Switzerland to meet family and friends.
I will look into the itinerary story, did not know you have a templet (silly me).
I am the author of the Hokianga map, but if you can generate something better by satellite, please do so. As I said, I am on 28.8 kbps, it is as fast as a slug on sand. in a storm. Are you on satellite? If yes, how fast is it? We could get satellite, which is not much faster (70 kbps) and costs a fortune.
He has translated his website with Google and put it on in different languages. As I know German and French too, I can say it is absolutely useless. What does Wikitravel do in such cases?
Hi Peter, as far as maps go, that is the one thing i'm not very experienced with making here on wiki and your help would be appreciated. OnHaywood does a good job with Haywood street which most people consider 'West Asheville', and its boundaries. For Downtown, RomanticAsheville's map is good but a bit short with the boundaries (I would include 240 and a bit of Merrimon to the top), AshevilleNow's is pretty good with the top two-thirds, the bottom third below Hilliard (where the Orange Peel is at, a big draw of visitors) could be left out.. Ooo with more searching I found ExploreAsheville's downtown map to be very good with the boundaries I just described. Hilliard to the south, Charlotte St to the east, 240/bit of Merrimon the the north (also includes the confusing Broadway split), French Broad the the west (and they nicely include a bit to show where Montford is). AVLann 11:37, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
Sorry, for whatever reason it seems like I keep coming up on the opposite side of an argument from you - it's not intentional, I swear! In this case, User:L'Aquatique/Sandpoint,ID was deleted with the comment "page creation vandalism", but as far as I've seen User:L'Aquatique is a legitimate contributor and has added some well-thought out comments on Talk:Pacific Northwest (United States of America). In addition, the page is in a user namespace, and I think we typically leave city outlines alone since users sometimes use their user space as a sandbox. Was there some other problem that led to the page being speedy deleted? -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:55, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
The horror...the horror...
Russian Wikitravel is now unlocked and ready for business. Please sign up for an account there, and let me know what your account name is so I can make you an admin there. Also, see the tasks on shared:Talk:Russian Wikitravel Expedition. This is really exciting -- thanks for taking the first steps with this new language version! --Evan 21:32, 28 July 2007 (EDT)
Congratulations on the Russian Wikitravel - wish I'd picked up more Russian while traveling there so I could help out.
I'm hoping you know more than I do - what else is there in the Near South? A few things need to be rewritten, but in terms of listings, I've pretty much exhausted my knowledge. Gorilla Jones 22:51, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
I have been adding information to the St Barthelemy page (recently registered as Babath) and have remarked that links to accommodation providors have been removed, as such the accomodation section is now blank.
I can tell you that there is no official or not for profit tourism organisations on the island that will contribute, as such this page will have to rely on business owners to grow.
If this is in violation of Wikitravel rules, I'm afraid the page will die.
Deletion of Pictures
I need assistance please. I received a message from someone, who said he removed many of my pictures i added to South Florida, and that they were a copyvio.....I took it from flickr and could not have been a copyvio picture...I want to see what he removed and placed to delete.
Can you assist me please.
Flowergirl 18:16, 31 July 2007 (EDT)
.....Do you still want me to replace those two pictures skyline.jpg and the other one? They will come out as duplicates..;).... Also is it possible to change my user name, and still retain the contribution credits that I earned?
Flowergirl 08:10, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Based on work by Wikitravel user(s) . . . ..
Hi Peter. Thanks for the welcome.
I've now contributed the page on Obihiro that I have been working on. To my surprise this has been credited (at the bottom of the page) to another user (Based on work by Wikitravel user(s) WindHorse). I wrote to WindHorse about this yesterday but so far received no reply. Can you tell me what I should do in this situation? Thanks. -- Kleinzach 20:59, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Since I am new to wikitravel, but not new to wiki's in general, I have some questions to ask, and even though I have searched, I cannot find the answer.
Is is possible to use email for learning more, or gmail chat if possible. Somehow I find it difficult to find my way around here, but I do enjoy the site itself, and the few people who have communicated with me for corrections and praise...I enjoy both...
Where can I find an email address to write and learn more. I had also joined in a forum or posting offering my suggestion, but never heard back. And I cannot even find my way back to that posting.;)...It was about not using the numbers, and instead using words or links. I offered my thoughts on it, but somehow I get the feeling that since I am new, I might be ignored..Unless that was only for Admins.
Thank you for a response.
Flowergirl 21:45, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
I enjoy adding pictures and enjoy finding great pictures to use. I just wanted to add a picture to uganda, as the message said, they need pictures badly....However I find maps. Can the maps be removed in lieu of pictures?
while I am not much of a traveler, I am a great editor,writer, and picture adder.;)..
but I have to know what is permitted and what is not. And also where I can be of the most help.
I had been writing Florida, and been filling up the site page with a little helper.;)..I enjoyed that, as it was like a puzzle, fitting the pieces together.
1. where do I find what needs to be done. 2. Where do I find those little tags, that tell a bit about where I come from etc. 3. Any other information that I might need, to really get my feet wet in wikitravel...it seems like a very nice site to check in on ....OH, I live in florida, so that is why I started there.
4. Still learning what the formats are for the different areas. While wiki's are all the same editing wise, the formats from each are different.
Thanks Flowergirl 23:31, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
checking out the Cities in florida and noticed a list, almost a 1/2 page long of 'eating' ads. should this amount be allowed?. One of them is an obvious self advertisment from 4 Seasons, where the ad uses the word 'us', referring to themselves. Would I be allowed to remove all such lists, and leave just a few, on all sites?
Congratulations on Star-ifying Chicago/Bronzeville. We've gone through the process, there was zero dissent (unusual for recent Star nominations, incidentally), and time is up, so I just applied the coveted label. Great work by you and Marc. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:48, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
Near North and South maps
I've covered the Near South as thoroughly as I can; I only found a very small handful of other listings, none of which seemed to warrant inclusion. I might take a walk down there next weekend to see if I'm missing anything. And I'm willing to call a cease-fire on new Near North listings whenever you say so; I work down there, so every once in a while I notice or hear about something new, but I think it's covered pretty thoroughly as is - it's probably on the verge of overload. So go ahead and map the Near North - if you want to hold off on the Near South, that's fine. It can't go up for star until it has some photos, anyway. (And the Loop isn't close to ready.) How is the Southwest coming? Gorilla Jones 22:31, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
Peter, I just e-mailed the Norwegian embassy today and I will let you know if they can fulfill the request.Cupcakecommander 03:12, 6 August 2007 (EDT)
It is a pleasure to inform you that you are welcome to use this map for the Wilkitravel web page. We would expect you to provide a citation for the source of the map. Otherwise, we wish you good luck in your work!
Richard Scarborough Chargé d'Affaires a.i. Royal Norwegian Embassy in Baku
I think that this is enough to create our own version, right? Thanks! Cupcakecommander 01:56, 13 August 2007 (EDT)
My name is Joshua Noonan and I am a US Peace Corps Volunteer in Sheki, Azerbaijan working at CHF International. I am currently active in writing the Sheki travel guide for Wikitravel and I would like to have explicit permission to use the map that is in the Norwegian sponsored Sheki Girdman guide on to use as a base image for a derivative work that would be freely usable by anyone for this site http://wikitravel.org/en/Sheki. I have sent the scanned copy in this e-mail. With your help, we will be able to make the on-line guide for Sheki of the best quality. We are currently using per the Embassy's permission a scanned copy of the map, but we would like to create a Wikitravel version. Thanks so much for your help!
-- Josh Noonan Cupcakecommander 02:15, 13 August 2007 (EDT)
S6-This is the same as Sleep 1 B-1-I have never been to this place. I have asked people around Sheki about it, but I have not been able to find it. E-6, off the map on the road to Kish S-2 off the map North of Kish on the road to Gelersen Goresen H-5, to stay at the B&B people need to call the director, as there are many houses, and then he will meet them in the center of town and take them to the selected house. S1 and X2 are at about the same location. Thanks for all of your efforts!Cupcakecommander 07:04, 5 November 2007 (EST)
You did that to yourself.
I think I would actually find it easier to bring the West Side articles up to par if they were split. Although further divisions may occur in the future, would it be geographically ridiculous to divide it in two? My first idea is
I'm not sure which side gets Pilsen under that scenario. Gorilla Jones 20:51, 8 August 2007 (EDT)
Thank you for your welcome message
I'm not from Utah, I was there for a month some years ago. I'm very excited by the WikiTravel project. My mother language is french, but I have decided to contribute to the english version. The world is now a village and we can share more information if we all write the same language. My wife and me have been in various countries those last years. I intend to spend the next weeks giving some information about travelling in Queensland, New South Wales, Taiwan, Canada and European countries.
Peter, I noticed your name at the bottom of the Zheleznogorsk/Krasnoyarsk-26 page. I'm curious to where the information on that page came from, and if there is anything else you know about it. I'm generally very interested in these closed cities (am Russian myself). Perhaps a stupid question, but could a person somehow enter this city just as a 'tourist', just to look around?
Thanks for the reply! Звучит очень интиресно, Кронштадт - в Ленинградской Области? I lived in St Petersburg for 7 years when I was younger, but never heard a lot about Kronshtadt (first time I hear it was ever closed actually). Definatley another place to visit when I go back there :)
Wondering if you think it's bad practice that I slipped Albany Park & North Park into the Lincoln Square article but retained the Lincoln Square name for the whole thing. I couldn't think of a decent name to cover the three ("Northwest Side" might beg the question of why West Ridge was being excluded, but that should be grouped with Rogers Park). They make a nice bunch, being the back end of the Brown Line and connected by Lincoln Avenue, but LS has way more attractions than the other two (which many north siders haven't even heard of). I think Chicago/Lincoln Square-Albany Park would be an ugly file name so I wanted to avoid it. Whaddya think? Either way, I should have it ready for mapping in a day or two. Gorilla Jones 23:52, 12 August 2007 (EDT)
Sorry about taking so long to get back to you on this subject. Summertime is hectic and I honestly hadn't checked my talk page in a couple of weeks. Regarding a district map: The best online map I have found is here: http://ww.charmeck.org/qol/cwac.htm. The only downside is that it's limited to the central neighborhoods, but that's not too much of a problem since the outer districts can generally be done by zip code. Another complication is that in Charlotte, infill areas are rather large and uninteresting to visitors. I don't know how that works on a district map, but I will say that the majority of the neighborhoods on the map I linked to, are not going to be worth labeling.
The areas with Wikipedia district articles are linked to the following numbers on the map:
South End - 15, 14, 72 Dilworth - 66 Myers Park - 63, 65 Elizabeth - 54 Plaza-Midwood - 50 Uptown - Use this map: http://www.charlottecentercity.org/mapwards.htm SouthPark - General area around Sharon & Fairview Rd. University City - ZIP code 28262 Ballantyne - ZIP code 28277
I'll come back and update this entry if I can find anything else that would help. bruinsbuddy42 11:51 18 August 2007
I want to be able to create a new region, or forest. I have just tried in Florida, to create a new Forest. However How do I get this information beneath the Title itself. Tallahassee From Wikitravel North America : United States of America : Florida : Florida Panhandle : Middle Florida : TallahasseeFlowergirl 10:24, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
You should consider putting something in the Southwest article. Whether it's an insta-guide or not is up to you, and it can always be changed/re-arranged later, but you have a ton of quality listings in there, and it's more likely to attract contributions from new users there than it is in your sandbox. (While you were away on vacation, I thought about moving it myself in order to encourage the anon user who added a couple of listings of his own accord.) Gorilla Jones 00:02, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
Sheki Weekend Itinerary
I just finished the Sheki Weekend Itinerary. Please let me know what you think. I will start working on the week itinerary probably this week. Cupcakecommander 06:11, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
Bulgaria Spanish version
thank you very much for your encouragement! The idea to work on Bulgaria came to me after just getting back from a two-week holiday in that country. I have plenty of notes, but, of course, I have noticed that there is already an excellent version in English. I hope to be able to add some more stuff to the cities and regions (and probably complement the English with some new info). I might even add some small tit-bits to the English, and then expand the Spanish. In any case, I am unfamiliar with the copyright issues. Am I to attribute explicitly the English contributors? How is that done? Any other suggestions? All the best, --DavidSaldanaSage 09:37, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
Given the amount of play we give them, the Chicago page ought to have a Harold's Chicken Shack infobox. (You know Lonely Planet doesn't have one.) If I'd ever been there (and wasn't a vegetarian), I'd write it. This, this and this ought to help. Gorilla Jones 13:32, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
I'm awarding this barnstar to yourself and another User:Gorilla Jones for having made our previously hopeless Chicago guide into a world-class guide befitting a world class city. Thank you! You rock. -- Mark 14:57, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
You fellows are making me jealous. So, I thought I would start cleaning up Cleveland. Would you answer 2 questions? #1. When you look at "Sleep", the listings have numbers like ,  and so on, but there is no link, only the number. #2 There are a number of phone number types, is 1+ 999-666-7777 correct. And. #3. Is front linking incorrect and or bold type used in excess? I know that's 3 not 2. 2old 14:37, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
I love the shaded neighborhood maps! Just noticed the one you did for North Lincoln. Really pretty, and handy, too. The crime map is way cool, too, and had a couple of surprises even for this city resident. It'll be really handy for Stay Safe sections.
Had an idea - tell me if it makes sense, or if it devalues the main Chicago page. Would the district articles benefit from a version of the city map that has their chunk separated and/or highlighted (or the rest of the city darkened/greyed)? That would be a quick reference for showing where the district is in relation to others. Could be done with the crime map, too. But it might be excessive and redundant with the main page.
The Chicago/West Side article needs a map strategy. I will make another pass - there may be bars I've missed - but I'm pretty well content with the Greektown/Little Italy restaurant listings. Certain other sections, though, like Pilsen and the Far West, have only one or two listings. (And Maxwell Street is non-existent.) See if you think Greektown/Little Italy could be mapped separately - those are obviously important for tourists, and could then let the itinerary get a star-nom. Gorilla Jones 11:45, 9 September 2007 (EDT)
Lincoln Park-Old Town
Great! Looking forward to the map. The article is still many listings short of completion, but I'll let you know when I've added all I can. (I'm not sure I have it in me to make Lincoln Park a star...) Scout Flickr if you like - I wasn't impressed with anything I saw on Wikimedia Commons. I'll probably do another run at the zoo and outside Second City for photo purposes. Gorilla Jones 02:04, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
Addresses in India
Hi Peter; I lived in Kazakhstan for 2+ years and have been to just about every city in the eastern part of the country. My wife is also Kazakh and could offer some useful tips as to what to do in some of the major cities. I'll attempt to divide the country into travel groups as you suggested but I know a lot more about the eastern part of Kazakhstan (I lived in Ust-Kamenogorsk) than the western part. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dardekkis (talk • contribs)
Excellent advice, thanks. Have seen that syndrome a couple times. Hey, I read a bit of your user page and decided to start an account as OldPine, but even figuring out which button to push was a challenge :) Seemed to me that there might be an OldPine account being used there. Hard to believe! OldPine 20:04, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
I am sorry Peter for my ignorance of the Wikipedia policies. I will change these pictures and put pictures with no recognizable people soon. And also for the pictures with no distinctly visible people, how do I put in licencing info. All these photos have been taken by me and I want to release them to the public domain.
You keep erasing my changes to the Yerevan page. Any reason why my changes are not accepted?
KevinSours from IB is going to fix the problem now, but he seems to want to know other contributors's opinions about his way to fix it; adding a "remember me" option to Special:OpenIDLogin. Would you please let him know on the tech request page, whether the problem occurs with OpenID or not, and your opinion on his concern? Thanks. -- Tatata7 22:49, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Wikitravel talk:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikitravel a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.
I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:43, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
Peter, I've added info to the Sligo ===Get Out=== section. It probably requires some tidy-up, as it's mostly thrown together from memory (with some help from various Wikitravel and Wikipedia articles), but it's a start. I'd be interested to know what you think. --The.Q 08:02, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to help you to organize Wikitravel in russian and make it really popular. To achieve it we can make several improvements: - we could buy a domain in .ru zone (it is a very impotant to russian search engines and it makes easier to find wikitravel in Russia) - also it would be great to give opportunity to leave personal impression about country and put links to blogs and so on, since there are a lot of travel stories, that you can find on personal pages. Also we can take the main points from this link to include them into wiki texts (if authour do not have time to do it).
So, if you are interested, please contact me dvasilieva @ gmail.com Daria
Peter, any chance you'd have a photo of that Brachiosaurus skeleton that you mention at O'Hare? I've just added it to the "Upcoming" queue for Wikitravel:Discover, and that seems like an entry that could benefit from a thumbnail. Thanks ... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:14, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
I think you had a good idea about the terminal map, and a hotel map might be useful. Depends on how difficult either would be to create. I wouldn't call either of them necessities for going to print - I don't think I've ever used a guidebook with those - but I imagine they could be put to use. Gorilla Jones 17:24, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm considering a split to give Logan Square its own page. Would you be able to do a map for Logan Square? My grasp on the borders of the neighborhood isn't strong. Gorilla Jones 01:15, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
wiki United Kingdom - 9 cities list
Hi there :)
i noticed you edited my alteration to the 9 cities list. You have cited that a concensus needs to be reached before editing. My question is how do you go about getting a concensus? Being new to this I do not know how that works. To gain a concensus would mean lots of people would need to respond. But what if no one bothers to respond to the discussion I have already raised.
Also, reading thru the discussion part, from "the old city problem" it seems the concensus has been for people to edit and change as long as they give valid reasoning, which I have done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daniel robinson (talk • contribs)
re: 9 cities list wiki: United Kingdom
Thanks for your help and advice peter. I have taken on board your comments and have consequently re-worded my addition to the discussion in a way that better invites responses. I will leave it as that for a while, and if no replies appear, i'll msg some of the users, and take it from there. thanyou
there appears to be lots of people in support of the proposal. I have messaged some of the other users who were vocal in participation before, however for many of them they have not been active since 2006, which means chances are they will not reply. Also, it is worth noteing that for the current list of 9 cities, there was never any concensus, and ironically, my recent proposal surpasses what was previously proposed, in terms of number of people supporting it. Id therefore like to ask you to contribute to the discussion with a view to alter/amend the list using ur experience . :) --Daniel robinson 22:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
Suitable for framing!! very good work 2old 11:37, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
Thanks - the Laotian place was a great find. It's new, and separated from the rest by a few blocks. I'm rooting for them to do well. I have a bunch of listings from the SE Asian streets that I need to write up. (There was a place called Cafe Lao where they were bewildered by my inquiry as to whether they served any Laotian food.) Only disappointment was not being able to find any that did Cambodian food - I like me some amok curry! Gorilla Jones 13:12, 4 November 2007 (EST)
The only carp I would make with that latest version is that Andersonville definitely doesn't extend to the lake. If you cut it off at Glenwood to the east and Bryn Mawr to the north, I think you have a good set of boundaries that reflects the reality of the area. By the way, I covered miles of Pilsen and have enough to make a decent guide of it - will start writing things up tomorrow. The Nuevo Leon restaurant is a beauty! Gorilla Jones 01:28, 13 November 2007 (EST)
Chicago with children
Not that we should be adding more work for ourselves, but do you see any virtue in doing a "Chicago with children" itine-topic (like the ones people were doing for Charlotte, New York, et al) for the print version? Gorilla Jones 07:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Far West Side
Ah, terrific. We, alone among all others, have a quality guide to the Far West Side. I like that you did your due diligence in keeping the lines about the "startling changes" on the Green Line. It's funny to see those chestnuts seamlessly integrated into a new article. Is the size of the Far West making the map a challenge? Gorilla Jones 08:15, 9 November 2007 (EST)
I think you can add the current Lakeview listings and put the map online. There are probably still one or two bars, a couple of restaurants and a handful of 'Buy' listings left to go, but the areas are all covered, and the bulk of the listings are up there. (It'd be helpful to see the map to know if I need to scout anywhere.) Good news about that Georgian bakery on Devon, by the way! Gorilla Jones 01:32, 14 November 2007 (EST)
Spring Hiking in Sheki
Peter, it is possible to go hiking in Sheki on the routes that are posted in the Spring.I have gone twice on the routes in the past week and I have also gone in January-May and it is no problem (you can actually have snow-ball fights on top of Gelersen Goresen). I'm not sure about the MoS problems on Sheki, but if you have any suggestions for improvement please let me know. Thanks again!Cupcakecommander 00:09, 15 November 2007 (EST)
Are you sure Pizza Nova is in Heart of Chicago? That's across the street from the National Museum of Mexican Art and one block west of the 18th Street Pink Line station. Gorilla Jones 00:53, 15 November 2007 (EST)
Only two new listings for the North Lincoln map - Nazareth Sweets and Montrose Saloon - the third, Rosehill Cemetery, is already on there. Thanks. Gorilla Jones 01:45, 21 November 2007 (EST)
I am very glad that you also work on Greenwich village page. I live in New York, so I love to walk tehre and make photographs there. I already brought some photos into WIKItravel.
Greatings ... I also like Greenwich Village
I wrote you something on your discussion page. GK tramrunner 20:23, 24 November 2007 (EST)
Your assignment, should you choose to accept it...
I would leave the Warehouse District alone for now - I also (deliberately) under-covered River West, which is similar in the sense that it's "hot" but it's also a developer-engineered area that hasn't really developed a natural identity yet, and all that either of us could do would be to paste some listings together without encapsulating what the area is about. I listed one sixtyblue because it has emerged as a favorite, but the only time I hear about other places around there is when a celebrity comes to town and puts in an appearance at a club that's closed two months later. If it nags you, plunge forward, but I'm comfortable leaving it out until later. Gorilla Jones 01:26, 5 December 2007 (EST)
All Do/Eat/Drink/Buy etc listings are in for Chicago/Lincoln Park-Old Town, if that lets you move ahead with the map. I need to write up the Astor Street and Mid-North Street historic districts - I was going to suggest you simply mark them off like you did for Hutchinson Street in Uptown and then call the LP-OT map done, but I just looked and I don't see Hutchinson on the Uptown map any more - did I imagine that? Gorilla Jones 01:12, 7 December 2007 (EST)
North Korea Updates
Thanks for your comments. I have been visiting North Korea since April, 1995, and most recently this past September for a total of 11 times, including Kumgang, Kaesong (from both the North and South, including the Kaesong Industrial Complex), Panmunjom (again from both the North and South), Pyongyang, Myohyang, Nampo, and Wonsan. I'll try to add more information on the various cities/sites in future updates, including photos (I have thousands of digital photos.)Walterkem 08:47, 7 December 2007 (EST)
Good job with the Understand section! Does the job nicely and succinctly, I think. Gorilla Jones 22:58, 12 December 2007 (EST)
Why is a vote for deletion in a section entitle VFD Discussion considered off-topic?--Wandering 15:25, 15 December 2007 (EST)
You're the photo hunter...
Far NW photos
I have a couple leftover photos from the Far NW than I'll look through later. Mr. Steer isn't a bad choice, though, figuring into the whole meat paradise of the place. Gorilla Jones 08:15, 17 December 2007 (EST)
OK, I've uploaded two more from my Far NW trip: 1 and 2. (My friend's photos were too blurry for use.) If either looks good in print, put it in; if not, Mr. Steer can lead the way. I'm done with Logan-Bucktown. If you want to add anything, feel free, otherwise map and file under Ready. Glad you liked the Rogers Park article! I really wanted to do well by the old home.
I'm a huge fan of the Chicago overview map. While being simple to grasp and easy to interpret, it still packs a surprising amount of detail. From my jaded local perspective, I just enjoyed seeing how the expressways fit together and which familiar streets were the longest. I think it's a great asset to the guide. Gorilla Jones 02:49, 19 December 2007 (EST)