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Welcome![edit]

Welcome, IBcash!--IBobi talk email 17:26, 30 August 2012 (EDT)

Hello! So lucky to live in CA. Thanks for your advice. I changed my sentence about Versailles. I tried to do my best to respect the Wikitravel guidelines. Please, inform me if you think that I have a few things to improve. Best. Xavier 2wheeltours 13:12, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

Hello, IBcash! Welcome to Wikitravel.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Pashley 21:58, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Thank you for the warm welcome! IBcash 13:30, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Utrecht Free Tours[edit]

Hi, I noticed you removed the link to the new website of the Utrecht Free Tours. I don't understand why. There are a lot of links to commercial services on the Utrecht page (like the boat tours), we are definately adding something to the city you cannot get without us and are doing it 100% non-profit. We are also the only ones offering free tours in Utrecht, so no competition with others in Utrecht. All our guests really appeciate us, but a lot of people don't know about us. Is there a way we could inform the visitors to wikitravel about the existence of the Utrecht Free Tours?

Hi! You can definitely post your listing. I reverted it because you only included the website as part of a paragraph that was already there. Under the bullet point on free tours, you can add your listing following the format that you can find in our Activity Listings page. You should also read our "Welcome business owners" page and our policies and guidelines. Thank you! We look forward to future contributions. IBcash 12:04, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Pakistan[edit]

Do something, I am blocked, because you IB guys think I deserve it. Won't patrol or revert any longer, IB ruined this nice community.

Hi-- We appreciate your efforts in reverting spam. You were blocked for creating pages like Please Lets not Bee Belieberss or Directioners We anadrol vs dianabol dont Needa TT Errday. What was the purpose of creating this page? If it has been a mistake we apologize and will definitely unblock your account. IBcash 16:43, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

Ko Yao[edit]

Hello IBcash ! As a fairly new user of Wikitravel, I admit not having spent the necessary time to read policies before posting, especially looking at my recent edits on Ko Yao page, which you almost instantly deleted... After reading the "Don't tout" policies, I clearly understand why my edits have been deleted ! May I please try again, following the guidelines ? One deleted edit I do not understand though, the last line of "Get in" section: "All boat transfers to/from Koh Yao Noi, updated monthly. [6]" The link isn't valid no more, so I updated to a valid one, and as we do not update boat schedules monthly I thought changing that to "regularly" would be more accurate. Anything wrong with my initial edit ?

For info, I am the manager of Koyao Bay Pavilions and La Sala Restaurant, and as such am entitled (at least I think) and will use content from our website www.koyaobay.com as my boss Georges Cortez did earlier to edit this page. Please let me know if that's ok also. Cheers ! KoyaoBP

Hi KoyaoBP! Thank you for posting here and going over the guidelines. You are more than welcome to post again following these. As for the edits that you question, that was my fault. I reverted your edit and didn't realize that some of those were valid. I will revert that again so that they are included in the article. You can copy and paste information directly from the website if you can prove that you are the copy editor of the information. Also, hotel and restaurant listings usually consist of the name, contact information, price, and a couple of sentences for the readers as to why that hotel or restaurant is good. Keep this in mind when you are writing your review so that it doesn't get reverted again for sounding too much like an advertisement or being "too flowery". We look forward to your future contributions! IBcash 11:54, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

Hi there, I am Georges... alright, I see that you have been talking together... good... as my resort disappeared from the sleeping list of Koh Yao, I did put it back. I hope we are all done now...

Hi IBCash, Olivier from Koyao Bay. If you have time, could you please check history of Koh Yao page as it seems to me that a lot of hotels and restaurants have been adding themselves on top of the list. Ex; Activities resort, 3 listings for K.Y.N Muay Thai gym... Starting to look a bit messy, looking for your assistance in this matter. THANKS !

Will do! Thank you for bringing this up. IBcash 14:54, 26 November 2012 (EST)
The edits are actually following Wikitravel policy. We have two ways of listing attractions - in order of when they are posted, or in alphabetical order. It seems that Singapore.Alice has started organizing them alphabetically. He/She was also creating some test listings which is probably why it looked messy for a while. Hope this answers your question! IBcash 15:04, 26 November 2012 (EST)
If I may make a minor correction?
Our Alphabet policy currently states (not that there are "two ways", but): Alphabetical order should be the norm within each section. If another standard is used, it should be clearly stated (either on the discussion page of the article or as a hidden comment above the list itself) so any new listing can be added to the appropriate place. Leading articles, such as "The", or "A", in the listing's name should be ignored for the purposes of determining the order.
I can find no previous discussion about the way that this is consistently and automatically buggered by the "add listing" option that appears in blue to the right of our standard section headings of "See", "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink" and "Sleep" that always adds the new listing to the bottom of that particular section.
That is why I would welcome your comments here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Travellers%27_pub#.22add_listing.22_defect if you really think we should confuse matters further by having a bi-furcated listing order policy...
There is actually a great deal to be said for (Georges'?) suggestion that the Alphabet order policy be changed to that of seniority. That way, the "add listing" option need not be re-coded and the traveller could identify which are the oldest and, therefore, possibly unreliable listings and in need of updating or, alternatively, "johnny come latelys: and not to be trusted listings. --singaporeAlice 15:39, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Steep learning curve[edit]

There's a lot to learn here, IBcash - have you worked on any other wiki's?
I noticed that you have made a few edits on Tiraspol recently. Have you been there and do you understand Russian?
It's always a good idea to give a brief hint in the edit summary box as to the reason(s) when you revert someone (especially when they are not an obvious spammer or vandal) even if they have not established an account (or chosen/forgotten to log on). That way you are less likely to discourage well-meaning contributors.
The English of Хуй моржовый may not be as polished as your own, but without an edit summary or comment on his user's talk page or on the article's discussion page it may be rather difficult for him (and others) to understand a revert which (like most of your reverts) you also marked as minor. To me, it is obvious that Хуй моржовый has a Russian nationalist stance/agenda, but this particular revert is certainly not minor (it concerns our place naming policy) and deserves some hint as to the rationale.
I realise that with fewer and fewer janitors around, the remainder of us are overworked (and underpaid - feeble grin) but we really need to try and keep to existing policies (or clarify and publicise new ones) so as to encourage the growth of new contributors.
Keep up your good work - and watch that minor edit flag! --W. Franke-mailtalk 11:43, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
Hi W. Frank, thank you for letting me know. I didn't realize I was marking anything as a minor edit. I'll keep a closer look on that from now on! And I will also make sure to leave a note when I make an edit. Thank you! IBcash 12:33, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
When you are logged on to Wikitravel as IBcash, select the My preferences option at the top of your screen, then (and after your preferences open) select the Editing tab 8 lines below the search box. After the new Editing preferences screen opens, you should uncheck the Mark all edits minor by default box and, perhaps, check the Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary box.
Despite your lack of a specific reply, I will assume that neither you nor IBobi understand Russian, German, Arabic or Chinese, so I better make plain that, if I was an admin here on Wikitravel, I would not allow a user name of "Хуй моржовый" since it is extremely offensive - even more extreme than the Russian for "Romanians suck cock" that he has added from time to time in the first sentence of our Tiraspol article.
Now I know that you two guys are very busy with the spamstorm, so would it be an idea to create some more admins to help you?
(I have edited here for more than 5 years now - although there was a long period when my rather public profile here in Scotland did not allow me to log on with my user name {which is a subset of my real life name} and I instead made frequent contributions as an IP on WT. However, I like to think that this long period of IP apprenticeship has helped me focus on the edits made rather than the editor and, now I have retired from public life, I hereby volunteer to help with janitorial duties on travel articles.)
I do think it would be a tragedy if Wikitravel became riddled with hidden obscene language as a new feature that makes WT popular as a nonsense travel guide; that would only diminish your profits and credibility with corporate advertisers.
Even more importantly, I don't wish travellers to be inconvenienced or put in danger by "funny" deliberate mis-information here on Wikitravel. --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:56, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
Thank you! I will change the settings in my preferences. I don't speak any of those languages so I hadn't realized that that is what his username says. I have also noticed the turmoil that he is creating in the Russia page. Do you have any suggestions as to how to deal with this? Your edits and patrolling have definitely been noticed and appreciated. Please contact IBobi to discuss becoming an administrator. Thank you! IBcash 15:04, 17 September 2012
I'll only volunteer once - if you need some help, I suggest you make your feelings clear to IBobi. Since email another user is currently disabled here, I can't do that. --W. Franke-mailtalk 18:41, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
  • Just communicating: i have just checked ru:wt and the Russia page. I can read little, and speak no Russian, but could see clearly, by the pictures and breadcrumbs, that the Soviet geography junk, proposed by that Хуй моржовый freak, has been fully realized in the Russian version. That guy must have taken over the whole shabang. Just thought you admins would like to know. 200.103.115.144 18:29, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
Yep, the user "Russia" on ru:wt has done to ru:Россия what Хуй моржовый has tried to do on the English version. Using Google Translate, here is the 8 June version, compared with the current version. This user has also made changes to: Odessa, Ukraine, Moldova, & Belarus to imply that they are part of Russia. Again, using Google Translate:
The beginning of Ukraine: "Ukraine - a historical and geographical region of Western Russia, the ancient center of the country, in the south-western part of the Russian Plain. It shares borders with Great in the east and northeast, Belarus to the north, Moldova in the southwest, as well as with foreign countries - Poland, in the north-west, Slovakia and Hungary to the west, and Romania to the south-west and south. Southern coast of Ukraine washed by the Black and Azov Seas. "
The beginning of Belarus: "Belarus (Belarus) - a historical and geographical region of western Russia, located in the western part of the Russian Plain. Bordered on the north and east of Great Russia, and Ukraine to the south, north and north-west of Lithuania and Latvia, as well as abroad - in the west of Poland."
The beginning of Moldova: "Moldova (Moldova, [1]) - a small region in the south-western Russia, located on the south-west of the Russian Plain. On the west it borders with Romania, with the remaining sides by Ukraine."
No changes have been made to the Romanian version of any of these pages. Unfortunately, I do not speak Russian & don't have an account on ru:wt, so I don't know what to do with these edits, since the user is very sensitive/critical to our actions blocking such edits. AHeneen 03:43, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
I think that you better leave them to those who speak Russian and know the countries in question. The fact that the ru admins do not take any actions means that the changes are correct. Just for your information, the literal meaning of Belarus is "White Russia", which is also reflected in the German name "Weissrussland" (please, go and remove it from German Wikitravel). Historically, we had the regions of "White Russia" and "Black Russia" that together form "Западная Русь" = "Western Russia". Therefore, your concerns are absolutely unsubstantiated. Please, focus your activity on the places and languages that your really know. 193.40.150.2 04:09, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
We will look into this, thank you AHeneen! To the person above, the fact that "historically" Belarus and Ukraine were a part of Russia doesn't mean they still are. In fact, they're independent countries. Even though it would be ideal for the Russian Wikitravel administrators to get involved (I will contact them), it is not necessary to know Russian to understand that the edits being made are outdated and highly political. Trying to alter the information on Wikitravel to fit political views is not in the best interests of the readers. IBcash 11:56, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
FYI the Russian word "Америка" means both the continent and the country. The phrase "He went to America" means that he went to US, but the phrase "Canada is a part of North America" in no way means that Canada is a part of US. Many words have multiple meanings and depend on the context. When you don't know the language, you don't understand the context. When you use Google Translate, you have absolutely no chance to understand the context. It is strange that I have to explain such basic things to grown-up persons. 83.176.30.164 14:28, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
That's fair. I'm not trying to say that using google translate is enough to understand a language. It is clear that there might have been some misunderstandings when it comes to phrases that Хуй моржовый used. However, when independent countries are added as "part of" Russia, as regions of the country, there seems to be no misunderstanding there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. IBcash 14:35, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
You're wrong, because not even know what Russia and undertake to talk about it, exposing yourself to ridicule. 80.237.226.76 15:24, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
First sort out issues that were discussed, and then speak up, clowns. 213.251.185.74 15:32, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
I referred to the quotes by AHeneen. They sound alright to a native speaker. I have explained in what sense Belarus and other countries belong to Western Russia. I have also made it clear that the name itself means "White Russia". I hope you are not going to challenge this, or take this as an evidence that "Belarus is a part of Russia", because these two sentences use the word "Russia" in different contexts. 83.176.22.87 15:37, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

All input, when expressed appropriately and with respect, is welcome. Please refer to Russia's talk page, where this is already being addressed, to discuss this further. Thank you. IBcash 15:46, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

Blocking[edit]

Hello, could you please be more accurate in your reasons/descriptions when blocking an IP? For example, don't say "Repeated vandalism" when an IP has only made one edit.

Thanks! sumone10154(talk) 23:22, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

I will. Thank you for the feedback! Still learning :) IBcash 12:30, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

vandalism[edit]

  • China and Iraq have been vandalized and I cannot undo, please take notice.
Thank you! IBcash 17:41, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

India[edit]

I had added a business listing on Chandigarh travel page. The changes I made can be seen as here http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Chandigarh&oldid=1923626

gozocabs.com, (Delhi-Chandigarh Cab Services), ☎ +91 9041 311 411 (info@gozocabs.com), [7]. 24 hours. The best way to travel Delhi-Chandigarh. Price starting Rs 2000.

This was removed by you on 17th Sep. I made sure I kept in mind the wikitravel guidlines. Could you let me know What I could have done to avoid that deletion?

Hi, thank you for reaching out and reading the Wikitravel guidelines. I apologize for not having left a note after this edit was deleted. It was a matter of format and language. We have templates that you can use in order to avoid this issue. Your listing could look something like this:
  • Delhi-Chandigarh Cab Services, +91 9041 311 411 (), [1]. 24 hours. Something about the listed item. Price starting Rs 2000.  edit
I realize that these are small changes and it might have been hasty to delete your post. However, the most important thing when adding your properties to the listings are: be fair and don't tout. Just write a sentence or two that will give information to the readers about this service, but without using language that sounds like it is an advertisement. We have an introductory page for business owners that you can refer to for more information.
Have you considered creating a user account so you get credit for your contributions and many other advantages? Also, if you're new to the whole wiki software look at the wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup (we dont use html tages for formatting). If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub. I look forward to more contributions! IBcash 13:29, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
Thanks for the guidance. I ll make the appropriate changes and repost the listing. Looking forward to a great time on wikitravel.

Usurpation of account name "Alice"[edit]

Please may I usurp the User account name of "Alice"?

This inactive user account name of "Alice" has never made a single contribution (since it was created at 19:14hrs, 3 September 2011): http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=Alice&page=&year=&month=-1

whereas I wish to actively contribute!

I have re-directed my username to its username but this is not sufficient to get my edits properly attributed.

Thank you! Alice from Singapore.

PS: I fly a lot so may not see your reply for a while. --Singapore.Alice 12:09, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Feroshispete[edit]

Can we check in with [2] on his/her talk page and see why all those listings about scaffolding were added? In these cases, if the user is correct, it could still be a valuable edit. But it's very odd that so many of a similar type were added all at once. Chat with him.--IBobi talk email 20:31, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Chimera[edit]

I know you IBadmins are very busy right now, but may I draw your attention to this page (if it's not already on your watchlist). I shall also draw the attention of IBobi since I believe that he will be able to examine and compare the IP's from which User:Himera has previously posted.

For what it's worth, my personal recommendation would be to at least unblock User:Himera from editing User_Talk:Himera until the current issues are unequivocally resolved. --W. Franke-mailtalk 10:37, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

Hi, thanks for bringing this up. I blocked his account because I checked his edits and they were false. Even though I checked and no where did it state to take the M1 instead of M9, I of course have no way of checking first hand so I could be wrong. However, he also changed the address to webpages, and made it so that they didn't lead anywhere. He also changed phone numbers by adding an extra digit. I checked and this was also false. Unless he can defend these changes in some way, his actions are considered vandalism and merit a block. Nevertheless, your opinion is valued and I'll change the extent of the block to a week. Do you think this is fair? IBcash 13:19, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
It's your call, Sir, but my personal opinion is that it is draconian to include his own talk page in the block.
Personally, I would favour you reducing the block period to encourage a progression to more careful editing.
(Of course I could be accused of having a personal interest in seeing this registered editor eventually have the technical ability to withdraw or modify his objection to my admin nomination...) --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:19, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
The blocking settings don't allow for an account to be blocked but the user page to remain open. I'll reduce the block period though. IBcash 16:06, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

Block[edit]

Why did you block yourself for vandalism? sumone10154(talk) 20:23, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

He needed an extended coffee break? --W. Franke-mailtalk 20:54, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
Just a clicking mistake :) IBcash 12:15, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

Why my topic has been removed 4 weeks after posting ?[edit]

Hello,

in http://wikitravel.org/en/Versailles , I posted this few lines because it is useful :

By Scooter or motorbike

A ride from Paris to Versailles takes between 40 minutes to 1 hour by scooter or motorbike. The ride can be wonderful with an expert guide or without interest by the highway.

  • 2 Wheel Tours Paris, Scooter always delivered to your hotel (Paris), +33 6 28 35 39 30 (), [3]. 8AM-9PM. This Vespa Tour Company will lead you to Versailles crossing Paris, riding along the Seine and discovering 2 typical villages in the west of Paris. During this day trip you will ride inside the Park of the Chateau de Versailles and will discover the countryside with 2 breathtaking Parks which belonged to the French Royal Family. A must to see if you want to visit Versailles, its Palace and the French Countryside. From €60.  edit


These few lines were posted about 4 weeks ago. Since a few days, it has been removed.

Can you explain why ?

Thanks

I'm not IBcash but I've left a note to him on your own user talk page that may be of interest. Salut! --W. Franke-mailtalk 19:39, 7 October 2012 (EDT)
The description would fit perfectly in the "Get in" section. I do think it would be useful to add a "by scooter or motorbike" section in the "get in section". People who love motorbike or Vespa will be happy to read in the GET IN section that it is possible to get to Versailles by Vespa. (by renting or with a guide). Can we add this ?
Yes, thanks for checking! As long as you are following the format and are writing with the travelers in mind, you can always edit the articles :) IBcash 16:43, 8 October 2012 (EDT)
Thanks. I change the description now. Hope I won't do any mistake. Please, let me know if you see any improvment.

My username blocked for being a spambot???[edit]

Hello IBcash (or any other admin), I live on an Island in the south of China and therefore contribute recent local changes that might be interesting for travelers of this region to wikitravel.org. However, today as I tried updating some new information I realized that I was blocked for being a spambot. I opened this new section "anonymously" because even e-mailing is not possible anymore... My username is Weizhouguy and the block ID provided with my denied access is #13098.

Hi! I unblocked your account. I must have blocked it by accident, I'm sorry! We really appreciate your contributions and hope that you will continue to be a valued editor :) IBcash 13:01, 15 January 2013 (EST)

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