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Hi Jose! Welcome to Wikitravel! We're very happy to have you here! All the best, IBAlex (talk) 20:39, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
How are the first days on WT? Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:35, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
They've been great, thank you! Wikitravel has an awesome community! =] IBcaldera (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2014 (EDT)

Welcome, IBcaldera! IBobi (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2014 (EDT)

Thank you, IBobi! Here to help you and the community! IBcaldera (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2014 (EDT)

Hello IBcaldera, please check Rio San Juan, Nicaragua I have been adding lot of information and need to know if Iám withing guide lines, check Boca de Sabalos El Castillo [Montecristo River Lodge]] Reserva Silvestre Privada Montecristo thanks

Hey, Agustin! Thanks for all of the contributions. No lie, it makes me want to visit the area and explore the region! I fixed some very minor spacing issues. Also, I moved your contact info under the "See" in Boca de Sábalos Everything else seemed great. The only article that is a little confusing is Reserva Silvestre Privada Montecristo. I read through it and it has some great information, but it appears to be more of a listing then a proper destination perhaps it could work as a fully featured listing in the city that it is part of? Please let me know what you think! And thanks again for all of the contributions! IBcaldera (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2014 (EDT)


Hello IBcaldera, the address format is specified in Wikitravel:Accommodation listings where it explicitely states Don't repeat the city name unless the "city" is different. If there are other articles where this is wrong, I think it would be better to correct that there. STENSOFT (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2014 (EDT)

Hey there, STENSOFT! Thanks for bringing that up! We'll definitely be facing a mountain. I just checked various articles and it appears city names within addresses have gone fairly unregulated for a while. I think now the question becomes how do we approach the situation with what I assume will be two very large groups of listings with a slight variation in address format. I think we should take it to the travellers' pub and brainstorm a resolution. By the way - whenever you get the chance feel free to share your knowledge on Třebnuška with us! IBcaldera (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2014 (EDT)
I don't quite understand what there is to "brainstorm".
Certainly most contributors don't bother to check our manual of style (or even realise it exists) - but that does not mean the rationale thrashed out years ago for not including superfluous address information has been negated.
Do you really think that every listing in our Glasgow article might now need to include the superfluous "Glasgow"? -- 10:35, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
You're right it is much. The "brainstorm" wasn't geared towards finding a way to defend the city name, it was meant at coming up with a solution on to the existing listings on Wikitravel that have a city name. I think the best way to go about those is to edit them as we come upon them. Now that we're being extra vigilant on new listings - all the city names should flush out in due time. IBcaldera (talk) 10:44, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
Thanks for your quick response.
It doesn't matter too much if listings do contain superfluous address information - it's just that much of my work in the past few years has been copyediting and I get a little bit concerned when a long-standing rational consensus is changed (or threatened with change) without good reason.
Far more important is that accurate and up-to-date pricing information is included and formatted in the way recommended by $.
However, the biggest problem is the creators of spam - presumably they employ humans to get around the captcha tests? -- 16:25, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
That's what I was thinking too!! There's no way bots can decipher the especially distorted images that are being served lately. One of my colleagues mentioned that there may be teams dedicated to getting through the captchas and then feeding those to a larger spam database. I'm not very familiar with the backend of the internet so I can't begin to make assumptions, but that idea seems as good as any.
Anyway, no need to thank me for the response, my friend. If anything I must thank you, I didn't know what "copyediting" was until I just researched the term online and I seriously owe you my gratitude. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to go through grammar, punctuation, and semantics has such the fine level of detail that makes a Wiki. We will not be adding city names, nor will we be allowing city names on future listings - so that will stay as it's been.IBcaldera (talk) 18:41, 14 October 2014 (EDT)
My assumption is that there are teams of low paid workers in third-world countries doing this account creation and spamming.
However, we do walk a tightrope between protecting the integrity of our guides and making sure that travellers can keep our guides up-to-date and accurate. Please remember that some of our best edits are made by IPs -which is why I strongly deprecate making most pages only editable by admins on a permanent basis - it defeats the whole ethos and practicality of having a wiki. Don't let the spammers win, but don't admit defeat either. -- 19:08, 18 October 2014 (EDT)


Hi Jose!

I'm trying to give back to wikitravel for all the help I got along the way of my travels but I could use a hand for editing tricks for wikitravel. if you have a good video or page you could suggest me, I'd be happy to have a look at it.

See (talk) 10:54, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

You, my friend, are incredible! Of course I'd like to help. Unfortunately we don't have videos that show editing tricks but we do have pages that will show you. The best resource for learning is our general help page! It has everything you would ever need to know about Wikitravel. But it's big, boy is it big. It seems like you already have a pretty good hand so instead I'll recommend the how to page This one is my favorite cause it will show you how to accomplish any editing trick and they're all separated so you won't need to read over irrelevant info. If you need any more resources please feel free to reach out again! IBcaldera (talk) 16:59, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Shurely shome mishtake...[edit]

Please would you revert this edit of yours which, among some weird duplication, re-introduced many breaches of our MoS including wta, xl and sp.

If it was not a whoopsy, I find the edit summary of "Edited for styling, please avoid urls on display" completely inaccurate. --Ttcf (talk) 17:55, 27 O ctober 2014 (EDT)

Hey there! Thanks for the heads up! I looked at your link and you're right it was a huge mistake. I may have had multiple tabs open and hit rollback the wrong one! IBcaldera (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
It's easily done - thanks for your understanding and quick revert. --Ttcf (talk) 19:52, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Part 2[edit]

Is Shanghai such a different place from the rest of China that (exceptionally) it needs its own quickbar?

Does it have its own currency?


Electricity details radically different from the rest of China?

Does its religion differ radically from the rest of China?

Why can Shanghai's area and population not just be mentioned in prose in the Understand section, as we do with other cities where they are relevant to travellers?

Is it exceptional in China in having Mandarin as its official language?

Does it have its own flag that it is critical for visitors to instantly recognise?

Why are the emergency phone numbers not listed in its brand new quickbar? (Is it because they are the same as the rest of China or simply because the newbie editor that has been going around sprinklins these redundant and misleading templates is unaware of their syntax & possibilities or just of our laboriously debated policies in general?)

Please read the discussion at Template_talk:Quickbar#Region_and_town_templates and add any new points that may have been previously missed when we reached a consensus after much debate that quickbars should ONLY be used for articles about sovereign countries and their separately-administered territories (generally speaking, places with their own 2-character ISO country code and Internet Top-Level Domain) and that they should not be used for US states, Canadian provinces, or any other article type such as cities or regions or villages or Disney World...

Meanwhile, until and unless we come to a new consensus, I'd be grateful if you would either:

  1. Revert your reversion or
  2. Designate the Shanghai article as experimental and explain the rationale for this experiment at Talk:Shanghai...

--Ttcf (talk) 19:53, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Phone numbers in listings[edit]

Please would you ensure that you list phone numbers in the international format so that they can be dialled directly from a mobile phone.

For example, in this edit it would have been better to list the number as "+61 3 3 9639-1811" rather than in the local Australian format of "03 9639 1811".

Use edit summaries to explain non-obvious deletions[edit]

Also, please use an edit summary to at least hint as to your reasons when removing a bunch of hotels. Have they closed, are they removed under our "avoid negative reviews" policies, is this a huge city that has been "districtified" or for some other (non-obvious) reason? -- 16:14, 9 December 2014 (EST)

I'm sorry that my last sentence just above was not clear enough in indicating that it required a response from you.
Why exactly did you remove hotel listings in this edit, please? -- 18:28, 10 December 2014 (EST)
Two of the listings were Ascott properties(multiple listings for the same company) the other was written in a confusing manner, but upon second review it can be modified and placed back - with an edit summary of course ;). Thanks for reaching out! IBcaldera (talk) 19:47, 10 December 2014 (EST)
I make no comment on the "confusing" bit, but unfortunately I've had to move "the other" since I see Melbourne is supposed to be "districtified".
Now that I've got a hint of your rationale, I'm afraid I'm still a bit bemused.
Historically, we have not removed accommodation listings just because they were owned (or operated) by the same outfit. The test has been whether they were the same premises - ie different addresses and names - or not. Weren't the two properties you removed in completely different locations?
Following your new principle, we'd need to remove several thousand Hiltons, Marriotts, Holiday Inns and Accor properties from several thousand articles... -- 22:01, 10 December 2014 (EST)


Hi IBcaldera,

I am the representative of Jugaadus in Amritsar. I would like to discuss the editing of amritsar section with you. Also there is a user by the name Davindervirasti who has been deleting my enteries without any justifications. Can we please look into this,

Thanks, Sanjay

Drake Bay[edit]

Hi IBcaldera, Im not really sure how this works cause Im new to wikitravel but I would like to ask you a question about an edit I made to the Drake Bay Costa Rica page with the information of a tour company. You commented with no tour operator and referred to a list with criteria for tour operators, the tour operator that im referring to meets all these criteria so Im a bit confused about why I cannot put it on these pages? Hope you can help, thanks.

Hey thanks for reaching out. I remember seeing that the tour operator and hostel you listed were under the same company - sometimes tour operators will double list their tour and booking in that way as well. I'll be happy to restore your edits! IBcaldera (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Spelling of accomodation[edit]

The incorrect spelling of "accommodation" with a single "m" appears in edits from 8-January-2015 under name IBcaldera. I've been sent a message about "Sleep" being removed, but perhaps that did not happen. This affects the following pages:

If you would like to review this, please let me know the outcome. Lawe (talk) 02:59, 15 January 2015 (EST)

Hey there, thanks for reaching out! That is definitely a misspelling, but the section items("Sleep") should stay the same. Thanks for including the list, I'll make sure all of those articles have proper section templates! IBcaldera (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2015 (EST)
My talk page continues to provide advice about how sections should be named. I have not altered the sections or any template. I only corrected a spelling mistake. Lawe (talk) 23:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Relative time[edit]

Good to hear your feedback on my suggestion about relative time descriptions. MichaelRpdx (talk) 14:53, 19 January 2015 (EST)

Euro: country numbers[edit]

You forgot to increment the numbers of countries using the Euro when you made this edit. (I'd make the necessary change myself but, totally contrary to the tradition and ethos of this wiki, an admin has made this template only editable by admins!) -- 21:00, 19 January 2015 (EST)

Hi there, thank you for pointing this out. It's been updated. Hope we will see more of your contributions. Thank you! --Binbin (talk) 05:35, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Thank YOU, Binbin!
( I suppose that someone also might want to update the phrase "Together, these countries have a population of 327 million" to "Together, these countries have a population of more than 330 million"... -- 06:02, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Thank you both! I updated the number to 337.5 million(as noted by the European Commission website).IBcaldera (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Sorry to quibble, but I still prefer the phrase "Together, these countries have a population of more than 330 million" to your new one mentioning "a population of 337.5 million" since
a) the figure of 337.5 million is spuriously exact. Although the population is declining or static in many Eurozone countries, there is heavy immigration to countries like Italy and Greece, and many of the illegal immigrants are not counted (for pretty obvious reasons)
b) the figure of 337.5 million will become outdated within a matter of months. -- 21:38, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Not quibbling, good point! 337.5 is somewhat precise. IBcaldera (talk) 19:49, 21 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks for being open to persuasion and for making the suggested change. -- 23:43, 21 January 2015 (EST)


Hi Jose, you recently removed an entry I submitted for Jungle Tours and Ecolodges under the Iquitos page, citing multiple violations of touting accolades, first-person writing, and excessive content. I'm a new poster and was not aware of the content limit and have tried fixed this (comparable to Otorongo Lodge) as well as the other violations. There are, however, multiple other entries within the category that tout accolades (Amazonia Expeditions Tahuayo Lodge, Muyuna Lodge, Otorongo Expeditions) and use "we" and "our" in their description (Maniti Camp Expeditions, Muyuna Lodge, Otorongo Expeditions), which is why I thought it was ok. I think it is unfair to remove my listing for violations that others on the page are clearly committing as well. —The preceding comment was added by Tapichejungle (talkcontribs)

Thanks for reaching out! I saw that GiulioC helped out with the edits! He's really one of the best resources in all things Wikitravel. If you have further questions on anything please feel free to reach out to me on this page as well, I'd be happy to help! IBcaldera (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2015 (EST)


Hi IBcaldera (talk), I was recently blocked by you stating that I am promoting my personal tourism website. Please note that I am in no relation with the links I referred. All contributions I made were genuine and was written after my personal experience and I thought that referring the contents would be helpful for travelers. I think my last edit went too much against the norms of Wikitravel and I am sorry for not abiding to the guidelines. The content I edited were outdated and I updated it accordingly with the latest updates. I had faced lots of issues in Andaman for ferry tickets, Baratang Island trip and Jolly bouy island for permits and information during my visit. Sorry, but Wikitravel didn't had much information neither did any other websites. Well, finally you are the admin and I humbly request you to allow me access and to remove the blocking. Let me know, which of the contents I edited were extremely against the norms of wikitravel and I will change it accordingly. Please enable my contributions that you find is adding value to Andaman travel or else let me know where you require edit of the existing content. Look forward to your message.

Hey there! Agh no need to apologize hahah! The admins and I patrol this site nonstop and seeing a link repeated over and over again(especially a tourism link) is an instant red flag. But thank you for reaching out! Your account is now unblocked and I've restored your changes! Still, we need to make sure that those links don't appear more than once on the guide. Perhaps we can condense the mentions into a single listing under the "Get around" section? I think that would be a great way to help other travelers avoid issues with ferry tickets. What do you think? IBcaldera (talk) 15:40, 12 February 2015 (EST)



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