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Welcome[edit]

Welcome, Aleksandra!
I guess you understand both Russian and German, eh? --W. Franke-mailtalk 19:34, 11 October 2012 (EDT)
Hi W.Frank! Thanks for welcoming me! I do speak English, German, French and Polish. Started learning Spanish! ( "Hola!" ). Unfortunatelly, no Russian as for now. IBAlex 19:44, 11 October 2012 (EDT)
You must be quite young then - prior to 1989, I think everyone in Poland learned some Russian at school, didn't they?
PS: Just call me "Frank" it's my rufname --W. Franke-mailtalk 12:54, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
Frank, in 70ies and 80ies nearly everybody was learning Russian at school, it changed in 90ies. Russian language is not that popular anymore in Poland, however you can still find many people speaking it. Among younger generations English, German, French and Spanish are the most popular. IBAlex 13:26, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

hi[edit]

how are you? Glad to see a Internet brands person on wikitravel! --Snedka71 14:05, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

Hello! I'm doing good, thank you for asking. I really enjoy working on Wikitravel- a great place for all of us who love discovering new places around the world. How are you?

Good faith edits by casual editors[edit]

I realise you have a tough job battling automated spam robots and commercial touts right now, IBAlex, but I would like you to cut our casual editors (who make good faith edits by adding useful information for travellers) a little more slack.

Here's an example of the sort of edit I'm talking about.

This IP editor improved our article for the traveller by adding five separate "eat" listings (where before there were none at all) and consequently, is very unlikely to be a commercial tout. By reverting all these painstaking edits you are likely to have at least two negative effects:

1) The traveller reading the article now has no "eat" information to view

2) The casual IP editor may be discouraged from ever editing again!

In these sort of cases, I believe it's much better to let the (improperly formatted) edits stand - but mark them by perhaps adding a {{style}} template so that somebody more experienced can come back later and do a copy edit (retaining the useful information. --W. Franke-mailtalk 15:28, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

That's right, Frank! I will take your suggestion into consideration in the future! Thank you! IBAlex 17:36, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
Thanks for being so understanding, Aleksandra! --W. Franke-mailtalk 17:52, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Request for 2 hour block of IP[edit]

We currently have an IP editor that is not willing to consult our Manual of Style [1]. I would request a 2 hour block to give the IP time to read and inwardly digest, Aleksandra.

(It is also a moot point whether the external link to the IP's own website is an appropriate warning to travellers or harassment...) --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:17, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Dear Frank! Thank you for your message. I understand your concern but I cannot block the IP address of the other user in this situation. After reviewing the Page History it seems to me that this person is writing in good faith. Try to encourage the other user to talk about all those edits on the Discussion Page. Thank you for your understanding! IBAlex 14:38, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
I'd love to have a reasonable discussion - unfortunately you just seem to have deleted (by mistake) User talk:200.62.70.163 and with it my post (and the IP's response)! --W. Franke-mailtalk 15:30, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Deleting a user's talk page[edit]

Thank you for restoring the talk page.

so...[edit]

Kinda lonely around here, ain't it?

Wikitravel german[edit]

Please look at the german side.

-- Knuth 15:11, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

Knuth, thank you for your message! I will have a look at the German site right now. Please let me know if there is something particular you would like me to have a look at, thank you! IBAlex 15:15, 22 October 2012 (EDT)
I have just blocked many Spammer accounts on German Wikitravel. They have done lots of damage with inserting many unneeded external links. Thank you again for your alert! IBAlex 19:22, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

Marathi Wikitravel[edit]

Hi IBAlex,

I am user from India and would like start work on Indic languages. Pls. let me know what needs to be done to start Indic Wikitravel like Marathi Language, Bangoli language, Gujrathi language etc. Kalakar 12:19, 28 October 2012 (EDT)

Hi Kalakar! I was truly happy to get your message! That is a great news you would like to start new language version. Please get familiar with the steps on how to start a new language version and the discussion on that page . I am sending you also the language version policy that would help you get started.
Please, let me know if you also speak Hindi and would be interested in starting a WT Hindi version since it could be potentially understood by a larger number of users.
Kalakar, I am looking forward to your response. Warm regards, IBAlex 15:11, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

Recommendation of the administrator(ja)[edit]

Hello Mr. Alex. I am the administrator of the Japan Kentagon(ja's name 木更津乃風).

Recommended as an administrator of three users(ResTpeRocNY066白銀) in Japan Wikitravel. I think they are in normal activities, such as participation in discussions for the maintenance and development of this site, and there is a suitability as administrator.

Therefore, according to the rules of Japan Wikitravel, We are planning to hold a vote of administrators nominations for 14 days. Please be aware.--Kentagon 09:55, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Dear Kentagon! Thank you for your message. I have been following all what is going on on JA WT regarding the Administrator's Nomination Discussion. IB will look closer into contributions of each candidate but from the preliminary review it looks that they benefit the JA Wikitravel community in a good way. Do I understand it correctly that you propose 3 candidates: (ResTpeRocNY066白銀), and user Kisarazu no Kaze (木更津乃風) proposes 3 following candidates: 白銀さん, NY066, ResTpeRoc? Could you please clear it up for me.
I am looking forward to the community decision on JA Wikitravel. please keep me posted. Thank you very much! IBAlex 12:24, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
Hellow! IBAlex. JA's WT is in the middle of the current selection. Since there is no dissenting votes so far, on the 19th of three candidates is determined administrator. Since selection period until November 19, Please wait...--Kentagon 09:02, 13 November 2012 (EST)
Kentagon, thank you very much for keeping me updated! Where can I see how many supportive votes those candidates got? I'm looking forward to your answer. Warm regards IBAlex 14:34, 13 November 2012 (EST)
There are three conditions to win. 1)That two or more administrators are in "Support". 2)That the candidate has to "Acceptance". 3)That there is no votes of "Do not support" (at the good reason).
1) has achieved (Shoestring, たぬき, you, and me). 2) has achieved. 3) is don't know yet.--Kentagon 06:57, 14 November 2012 (EST)
Great! IB is very happy to soon have administrators on JA Wikitravel! We are proud that JA WT is so active! Thank you for all your contributions! I'm looking forward to November 19th to have the administrators selection finalized. Cheers! IBAlex 12:38, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Granting administrator privileges on three peple, thank you. Since the selection was over, I moved past the log.--Kentagon 07:25, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Thank you Kentagon for your updates! IBAlex 12:31, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Phidias81[edit]

You should look at the user contributions of User:Phidias81, Aleksandra --singaporeAlice 17:41, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

Thank you for notifying me! As for now, I face difficulties deleting and blocking this user but I'm watching him and i will stay alert to every single change he/she is going to make. Anytime you see somebody suspicious, i would highly appreciate if you could let me know. Thank you! IBAlex 17:53, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
He does appear to be linking to secondary sources, which is not permitted. I'd contact him and link the policy to him. He's probably a spammer and won't care, but you never know. Always better to take a chance at rehabbing a possibly constructive contributor.--IBobi talk email 17:59, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
Done and external links taken off:) IBAlex 18:02, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

Hello, I'm not a spammer, I'm just a new user, and I was trying to add an external link related to the topic. My fault that I didn't read all the guidelines before doing it. Btw, I don't get why you think that on the page http://wikitravel.org/en/Jukkasj%C3%A4rvi it was inappropriate to add "Ice Hotel" under the things to see (if it was you to delete it), when the field is completely empty? While on the things to do I see a commercial offer that wasn't deleted and that is even pointing to a dead link. Quite difficult to understand to me the criteria used.

Hi Phidias81! Thank you for your prompt reply, highly appreciated! The reason why we thought you could be a spammer is because we already had so many cases similar to yours and in many of them the person was a real spammer. But anyways, I apologize for the wrong assumption.
Happy to have you here on WT! In order to help you start contributing I sent you many links about WT policies and the way the listings should be formatted.
I would love to see a proper listing of "Ice Hotel"- please include something more than just an URL.
If you see any listing that in your opinion serves promotional interest, please let me know and I will take care of that.
Thank you again for your message and sorry for all the confusion. I am looking forward to your contributions! Cheers! IBAlex 18:31, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

Chinese Wikitravel[edit]

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Hi Alex, on the Chinese Wikitravel, can you remove the docentheader and aboutdocent from the sidebar? Thanks. sumone10154(talk) 16:23, 4 November 2012 (EST)

Hey Sumone -- is this because it's in English? Is there a similar section in Chinese on the page? Are there docents on the ZH version, or do you think there just should not be?--IBobi talk email 14:23, 5 November 2012 (EST)
Docents are not used at all on zh. And the & lt ; symbols look ugly. sumone10154(talk) 17:41, 5 November 2012 (EST)
Do you know why docents are not used on ZH? Also, where do you see the & lt ; symbols?--IBobi talk email 18:29, 5 November 2012 (EST)
Because they never decided to use them... And the symbols are next to docentheader and aboutdocent. sumone10154(talk) 18:33, 7 November 2012 (EST)
I'm not seeing the symbols; I just see "Docents" and the link to "About docent" between the NAVIGATION and TOOLBOX sidebars.
Do you think there's a reason to remove docent functionality? Might it not be used in the future?--IBobi talk email 18:42, 7 November 2012 (EST)
I have posted a screenshot. I'm using Firefox 16.0.2 on Windows 7.
The about docent page isn't even translated into Chinese, so I find it very unlikely to be used in the future. But if you are so strongly opposed to removing it, I do not care; this isn't too important. sumone10154(talk) 16:38, 9 November 2012 (EST)


Reply to question on my user talk page[edit]

Hey Alex, I just replyed to your question on my user talk page User talk:Dangrec and I wasn't sure you'd see it there if I didn't put a comment here. Sorry, I'm not up with the WT procedure on that. Thanks, Dangrec 20:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Removal of map contributions[edit]

Hi Aleksandra. I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind this edit. It seems that user made a comment back in 2008 offering maps for Wikitravel, yet you have removed them. Any reason? 118.209.93.106 01:02, 7 November 2012 (EST)

Hello! Thank you for reaching out! I removed the post because links provided over there were leading to another travel guide. WT has a policy that does not allow any external links that are not primary sources. I hope you understand. Please feel free to contact me at any time. Cheers! IBAlex 12:38, 7 November 2012 (EST)

Wikitravel:Joke_articles[edit]

Hi Alex, i saw that you unprotected a couple of joke articles. Is there any interest? I would like to see them protected as they have been a lot of fun and i would like to see them proected in their original way. Any objection? Jc8136 05:40, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Hi there! I understand your concern but if we make those articles open to the community they can even get better, what do you think? IBAlex 15:03, 9 November 2012 (EST)
Wrong. Jokes are not best manufactured by committee. An exception to the wisdom of crowds. --singaporeAlice 15:44, 9 November 2012 (EST)
No, please see the discussion at Wikitravel talk:Joke articles. sumone10154(talk) 16:25, 9 November 2012 (EST)
After reading http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel_talk:Joke_articles#Protecting_joke_articles.3F, I'm gratified to learn that User:Jpatokal and many others share my opinion that Joke articles tend to get worse once they've reached their zenith and should be protected. If a Billy Connolly or John Cleese turns up here and registers an account they can always create an even more polished version in their own user space and we can then discuss on the joke article's discussion page whether it should be replaced in its entirety by the new oevre. --singaporeAlice 16:43, 9 November 2012 (EST)
Here's my 2 cents. A joke article like this great Mordor one is a joke in 2 parts. 1, that there's an article about a ficticious place on a real travel site. 2, the content of the article (i.e. the specifics of the joke). Changing the content does not affect the humor of part 1. It's still funny that Mordor is a place on WT. It *could* affect the humor of part 2. Making it better or (perhaps more likely but not definitely) worse. We can editorially correct for that, however, as we can for anything.
Moreover, most people who come to that article are coming from Google search (we're #4 for the search term "mordor"!). Meaning they're probably not familiar with Wikitravel. They might read it and not even know they're at a travel wiki. But if they try to edit the article, and are blocked from doing so, they *definitely* know they are not at a travel wiki, so we lose the opportunity to convert them from a LOTR fan to a travel editor.
Therefore, especially as all those WT editors who appreciated the joke in the first place have gotten the benefit of that appreciation, I'm leaning toward taking off the protection and keeping an eye on the page, just as we do with all of them.
Thoughts?--IBobi talk email 17:47, 9 November 2012 (EST)
I do follow the logic of that. In theory. However, until and unless you appoint more admins in different time zones, new readers may instead be greeted with obscenities and adverts for Vietnamese visa on arrival services or lawnmowing companies. --singaporeAlice 17:55, 9 November 2012 (EST)
We're working on that constantly. Qualified admins are hard to find; this will take time. Meanwhile, for the most part, we're in great shape and will only get better.--IBobi talk email 18:05, 9 November 2012 (EST)
Why EXACTLY do you think these two candidates are not qualified to be admins and why EXACTLY do you think this user (EDB) is so well qualified she was promoted before she had even made her first edit on the English version of Wikitravel and without notification or discussion, never mind community approval?
{In this edit, she (EDB) deletes one Accor Group hotel 3 km from another (differently named Accor Group hotel) either not realising they are completely different hotels or that our long established policies do allow for more than one hotel in the same group!}
{While I do agree with the motivation expressed in her edit summary, in this edit the reality is that she only succeeds in replacing a primary source URL with a secondary URL! Her heart is obviously in the right place but can you seriously say that she is better qualified than the two admin candidates who have been ignored for many weeks now? And please don't get me wrong: I don't want EDB sacked, I just want you to promote some of the very few established users who are still helping out to be admins to delete the spam pages and spam user accounts while IBadmins are getting their well deserved rest!} --singaporeAlice 00:08, 10 November 2012 (EST)
Dear Frank! User EDB is of a great help for us because she is going to fully take care of IT Wikitravel which is a very important foreign language version for us. Right now she has been patrolling the EN Wikitravel so that all of us, both IB and community, can help her grow and prepare her to administrate IT WT. As you know, everybody is going first through the learning curve and that is why some of her edits might be questionable for you. As an experienced contributor, please show her your understanding. Thank you! IBAlex 20:25, 12 November 2012 (EST)
"Dear Frank!" ?? I hope you are not trying to imply I am a sock puppet or meat puppet of User:W._Frank?!
You have check user privileges so please use them to confirm that I am editing from a Pacific Rim country and Not from Europe. My privacy is important to me so can I please state clearly and for the record that, while I frequently correspond by e-mail with User:W._Frank and other Wikitravel editors, I make my own mind up about policy and edits.
Later: Mmmmm, curiouser and curiouser. A very short while ago I confirmed that IBadmins had checkuser. Now it seems that that entire user group (along with "oversight") seems to have suddenly disappeared: http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special%3AActiveUsers&limit=250&username=IB --singaporeAlice 01:24, 14 November 2012 (EST)
Now that I hope we have got that out of the way, I need to point out that
1) this explanation of why EDB was appointed an admin on the English Wikitravel without consultation or notification comes very late in the day and the more pertinent question about the lack of appointment of admins still remains unanswered
2) IBobi has still not "moved on" and actually answered any of my questions over a period of several months now.
3) I am probably not the only one that is fed up with any discernible lack of progress.
Now this thread has become inappropriate for your user talk page so I will move the parts of more general interest to the Pub. --singaporeAlice 00:52, 14 November 2012 (EST)
My nomination for adminship has been on the page for over a month, and IBobi has not done anything, or even responded, so I would assume he does not approve. I am therefore withdrawing the nomination. sumone10154(talk) 19:39, 13 November 2012 (EST)
There are extenuating circumstances beyond my control at the moment. Cannot discuss now except to say it is not the case that I don't support your nom. Your work is beyond reproach.--IBobi talk email 19:53, 13 November 2012 (EST)

Paul, got your point. IB does not control on the weekends and during at least 12 of 24 hours Mo-Fri. I would like to keep that historic article - i guess there will never be updates to Morder ;-) - protected because i'm pretty sure it will get worse. Call me old fashioned but unprotected history with limited patrolling is inviting spambots to target such a high profile page. Jc8136 14:02, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Which Wikitravel:Community policies do you think need changing?[edit]

With this edit you removed my e-mail address which I wanted an editor in Iran to have in case help was needed in improving our Na'in article.

The sad thing is that (perhaps because you have been under the tutelage of IBobi) you may really believe that is acceptable (or even normal behaviour here). If you read our policies you will find that, almost from the inception of this Wiki, we have had some very clear policies about how user talk pages are to be used:

  • "Unlike everything else in Wikitravel, it's considered bad form to change someone else's posts on a talk page — even to correct spelling or grammar."
  • ("It's usually perfectly OK, though, to change something you wrote on a talk page, for any reason. If you made spelling or grammatical errors, feel free to change them.")
  • "In general, conversations aren't deleted from talk pages but are instead archived when they are old or no longer relevant. To archive discussions simply create a new page such as User talk:Mypage/Archive and copy the old discussions to it." (my emphasis added)
  • "It's best to wait until the page has grown quite long before archiving, and such archives should always be clearly linked from the principal talk page, so that everything is easy to find. Avoid archiving discussions on destination and policy article talk pages. Archives should not be edited."
  • I'll also add something which, while not still enshrined as policy here, many editors think is still appropriate: it's usually considered acceptable to remove something from your own user talk page if you consider it embarrassing - so please feel free to remove this section after you've read it.

Your edit comment was, quite bizarrely, "Dear Singapore.Alice, why are you engaging in this kind of "edit wars" on other user's page?" and the entire section that you arbitrarily removed was:

"==Na'in== All travel articles MUST have a lead. Read here, please: Wikitravel:Article_templates/Sections#Lead_section --singaporeAlice 05:11, 16 November 2012 (EST)"

Is it really not clear to you, IBAlex, after reading Wikitravel:Article_templates/Sections#Lead_section, why I kept putting back the lead section? Refreshingly, our editor in Iran has now understood our firm MoS policies about having a lead section and, I am pretty sure, did not consider me to be "edit warring". --singaporeAlice 21:21, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Hi! Thank you for your detailed notes about the use of User Page. I was already familiar with the policies but glad to see you are willingly sharing your knowledge with me.
In this this edit I reverted your whole post because:
  1. It was a very negative comment about other WT contributor; We do not need it on WT, please understand.
  2. It was previously deleted which means that it should not be inserted again. Therefore, the reference to edit war.
Please feel free to put your e-mail address on NAINTOURS User Page (without any negative comments about other users) if you wish to do so. You are right on that that.
I hope everything is clear now. Cheers! IBAlex 13:02, 19 November 2012 (EST)
I'm still not sure that you understand why your revert was contrary to our established community policies, IBalex. I've noticed that we don't currently have a separate policy page spelling out all the conventions that have grown up over the years - so I've started to develop one in my User namespace here: UUTP. Your input (and that of other IBadmins) is welcome there since, at the end of the day, he who pays the Piper calls the tune.
I still believe that you should not have interfered with the substance of my post.
If you felt that the parts in red below were too negative comments about your boss, then you could have just censored the parts you objected to. My policy draft at UUTP makes that clear, don't you think?
The Wikimedia foundation have already 
established it but a new (secret) Wikitravel policy 
is not to ever mention its name. 
We hope that things will get better here, but so far 
User:IBobi seems to ignore all the good advice 
he has been given.
 But, if you're Iranian, I'm sure you 
are used to the  situation of having ostensibly 
rational dictators act  idiotically and can deal with 
that easily enough.
I have some colleagues at Singapore Airlines who speak 
Farsi so if you can not ask questions in English about 
how to do things properly here at Wikitravel, you can 
email me in Farsi to     Singapore.Alice[AT}gmail.com 
and they will translate.
I think it will be great to make Wikitravel's Iranian 
articles better!

Edit warring can not take place on User Talk pages since the registered user whose talk page it is retains the final right to remove harassing edits and nobody should edit or redact another's words (except in circumstances described at UUTP). --singaporeAlice 15:22, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Main Page - Date formats?[edit]

I think it best that our Main Page follow our date formats and policies - otherwise why do we bother with having a Manual of Style? --singaporeAlice 21:21, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Good point! I believe you have mainly Travel news on mind. Singapore.Alice, would you like to add your contributions over there? I am sure you you are very well informed with what's going on around the world. Thank you! IBAlex 13:05, 19 November 2012 (EST)
I was indeed referring to our Main Page which still currently has Dates in a format that does not conform to our MoS:
   Conflict in Gaza (November 16, 2012) 
   Leonid Meteor Shower 2012 (November, 16-17 2012) 
   Gang violence escalates in Sao Paulo (November 15, 2012) 
   Perfect Storm on the East Coast (October, 26 2012) 
   Ceasefire in Syria (October 26, 2012)

--singaporeAlice 13:57, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, that what I understood. Travel news on Main Page. Sorry, should have communicated better, Thank you! IBAlex 14:02, 19 November 2012 (EST)

my pleasure[edit]

Hi IBAlex, it's my pleasure to help expand Guangzhou and please let me know how I can further improve the page. --Winstonlighter 15:53, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Winstonlighter- thank you very much for your nice message! How about plunging forward and editing some other destination articles? I would love to see more contributions from you. IBAlex 16:07, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Useful information lost?[edit]

It's my impression that quite a few babies disappeared with the bath water on this edit --singaporeAlice 15:21, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Good point! Reverted by mistake and it's restored now! Thanks for staying alert! Highly appreciated IBAlex 15:26, 29 November 2012 (EST)

User:Seligne is a reliable, hard-working and conscientious editor with good judgement and I think this edit may also require quite a bit of time to review.

Thanks for the privileges!!!![edit]

A big thank you to IBAlex for bestowing this power unto me:) I will strive not to abuse it nor fall in love with edits that provide links to high tech camera reviews. Ibrshao 18:05, 11 December 2012 (EST)

new years greetings[edit]

hi alex, why no holidays greetings on the main page of wikitravel site? when a travel website should have it and even WV do...

Great idea! We will make sure to post holiday greetings in the future. Thank you! IBAlex 14:02, 7 January 2013 (EST)

Loss of admin privileges[edit]

I noticed that you recently revoked my admin privileges with the note "retired". Wikitravel:Administrators says, "[A]dministrators who don't use their user accounts for two years will be notified by email and their privileges will be revoked." I have certainly used my account in the past years, and I was never notified by e-mail. Could you identify the policy under which your action was taken? --Jonboy 15:22, 21 January 2013 (EST)

Hi Jonboy! Thank you for the message. I would gladly resume your admin privileges, knowing that you are active again over here. Some administrative help would be highly appreciated. Thank you for all your past contributions, I would love to see more of them. Warm regards, IBAlex 18:26, 21 January 2013 (EST)

For Your Consideration[edit]

  • The Russian Wikitravel has fallen prey to stalinist hooligans who claim that Ukraine and Belarus "belong to Greater Russia", and the administrator Xep is one of them. If you don't believe, google-translate this. That's one of the reasons that made me (and hundreds of others) migrate. The level of carelessness and slop made by you IB people is unbearable. Do something about it... or not... 200.252.135.73 07:21, 23 January 2013 (EST)
Hi there, 200.252.135.73. We're aware that there has been a lot of vandalism on RU as well as the Russian pages on EN. We have recently promoted a wiki user to administer WT:RU and would appreciate any help you can give her. She will be cleaning up, patrolling, translating help articles, and generally getting the RU community revitalized again.
Also, Xep is not an admin and never has been to my knowledge. Best,--IBobi 15:08, 23 January 2013 (EST)

Deleted restaurant[edit]

Heya, got a note with a concern that I had deleted one Birmingham UK restaureant to add a new one. The new restaurant is owned by the folks who had owned Chez Jueles, which has since closed. Let me know if you have any other questions! —The preceding comment was added by Slothpaws (talkcontribs)

Hi Slothpaws! Thanks for reaching out to me and your explanation! I put your listing back again. I believe your edit was deleted by mistake as the user who did it thought probably that you might be deleting a valuable information without a reason. Sorry for that. Just FYI, every time you make an edit on Wikitravel, you can always provide a reason why did so. In this case everybody would know what the purpose of your edit was. Please feel free to contact me anytime. thank you for your contributions. Warm regards, IBAlex 16:57, 5 February 2013 (EST)

Thanks so much, I'll try and leave a firmer paper trail as I go forward! —The preceding comment was added by Slothpaws (talkcontribs)

You are welcome! Thank you! IBAlex 17:39, 5 February 2013 (EST)

How can i?[edit]

Contact the German editor... I've found some errors that would be good to fix. IBQA here .... —The preceding comment was added by Fgosch (talkcontribs)

Hi Fgosch! I'm also taking care of the German Wikitravel and i would love to hear from you what should be fixed! Thank you very much for reaching out to me! Warm regards, IBAlex 13:24, 11 February 2013 (EST)

Fgosch: Well in the "Hauptseite" a widget says "Januar/ Februar 2012" and all the info is related to the current year. Also the links for Mexico "Nordwesten 2. Baja California Norte 3. Baja California Sur" links to the same page "Niederkalifornien". As well i gotta say the real name of "baja california norte" is just "Baja California"; i can specify more but i think in English it is just right and since you are the one that takes care of both pages i think it would be easy to see that the info its mixing 2 states info as if they were just 1. Also i will be glad to help you fill the info of some states of Mexico in English and Spanish; in German I'm just so novice i can barely read well (A2). Thanks for the patience.

Thank you very much for pointing out that the year should be changed! Highly appreciated! I have already changed it so now it shows correctly.
For the Mexico Regions I have distinguished 2 different names as you suggested and as we have in EN WT ( Baja California and Baja California Sur). Right now both of them link to pages that have no information. I understand that the next step is to decide which information from Niederkalifornien page should go to Baja California and which to Baja California Sur. Can you help with that? I am not familiar with this region but i do know German and English :) I would appreciate your help also with those Spanish language pages [2], [3]. I am sure they would need some improvement.
Looking forward to your reply. Warm regards and again, thank you! IBAlex 19:05, 12 February 2013 (EST)

Block[edit]

I was block in ru-section. It's true? What is problem? Why it's autoblock with comment "Pridurok3" (english - "moron3"). It's correct word? Thank you for your work. 217.173.70.154 07:22, 23 February 2013 (EST)

Hi! Thanks for reporting that. Let me explain. Wikitravel has several abuse filters that protect the site form potential spammers or vandals who come to the site and make lots of malicious changes. Pridurok3 is a filter that prevents new/IP users from large deletions of text. I have checked all your contributions and I saw you wanted to delete English written text that was on Miami page on RU WT, right? This is a legitimate edit. I will unblock you. Thank! Warm regards, IBAlex 17:59, 25 February 2013 (EST)

Thanks for the encouragement![edit]

Hi Aleksandra, thanks for the encouragement regarding the Barcelona page. I've made several improvements to the page and have many more to make. Check them out! BarcelonaExpert 13:57, 7 March 2013 (EST)

Josep, your contributions are truly impressive! You added lots of valuable information to Barcelona page and I am sure that many Travelers are very thankful now! Personally, I would love to come to some of the festivals you listed there:) I'm very happy that you are a part of our community. Please keep it up! Thank you! Cheers! IBAlex 14:04, 7 March 2013 (EST)
It's my pleasure! I love my city and I love helping others discover everything it has to offer! I've been working on improving the page, and just added a much-needed sub-section on Barcelona's beaches in the "See" section with links to the Barcelona City Government's info page on each of the individual beaches (in English). Hope you like it! :) BarcelonaExpert 13:14, 11 March 2013 (EDT)
Great job! Thank you so much for adding the information! Our Barcelona travel guide looks better now thanks to you! Are you thinking about adding some pictures? Cheers! IBAlex 13:55, 11 March 2013 (EDT)
I'd love to add some pics, but I don't know how! Any tips? BarcelonaExpert 10:29, 13 March 2013 (EDT)
Sure! Let me tell you how to do that! You upload pictures to Wikitravel through Wikitravel Shared which is our hub for all the files (pictures, maps) for all language versions of the site. You have to create an account on WT Shared to be able to upload the picture. Here is how to do it [4]. Once you create an account on WT Shared use this page to upload a file. Here is a guide that expalins step by step how to upload pictures. Once you upload picture on WT Shared you can go to Barcelona article and put the picture over there. Let me know if everything is clear.
I am looking forward to seeing a picture from you soon:) Warm regards, IBAlex 13:46, 13 March 2013 (EDT)
Hi Alex, I've been having a bit of difficulty adding images to the Barcelona article. As a test, I first tried replacing the image of La Rambla at the beginning of the article with the much nicer (and greener!) one from the La Rambla article on Wikipedia (Commons) as detailed here, but I can't seem to get it to work. I then wanted to try uploading it to WikiTravel Shared and tried logging in using my WT user URL (http://wikitravel.org/en/BarcelonaExpert) as the OpenID, but I got an error saying "An error occured during verification of the OpenID URL". So I'm stuck. :( Could you please help? Thank you very much! :) BarcelonaExpert 06:57, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
Hi there! Sure I can help!:) You would need to go to Wikitravel Shared and register a new account. We had to disable OpenID function recently, that's why you were getting an error, sorry for that. You need a new account to be able to upload pictures [5]. Thank you very much for your understanding. Once you upload the La Rambla picture to Shared you can use it on any Wikitravel article. I hope this helps. Let me know. All the best, IBAlex 11:43, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
Thanks Alex, I got it to work! I replaced the Autumn image of La Rambla in the intro with a much greener and more cheerful one taken in Spring! Now that I know how it works, I'll be adding more great pics to spruce up the page! There are a few old and cloudy pics on the page that could use a "sunnier" replacement! :) Thanks again! BarcelonaExpert 12:48, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
The pictures are beautiful! Thank you so much! You make the article look better and better! Cheers! IBAlex 14:42, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

problem with Listing[edit]

Hello there!! I would like to ask you a question. A couple of hours ago I added a listing in the section of Athens, Greece, Do (http://wikitravel.org/en/Athens#Do). Although in the beginning I could view it, it seems as if it has been deleted somehow. Is that possible? Did I do something wrong or does it take some time until a listing is appeared due to approval by you? What shall I do, shall I try posting it again? Thank you, Regards Athens Insiders 15:13, 7 March 2013 (EST)

Hi! Thanks for reaching out to us! I answered your question here. Cheers! IBAlex 15:17, 7 March 2013 (EST)

Wikitravel_talk:Administrator_nominations#Clarification_needed[edit]

It's been a week now since I asked here for interested parties to spell out any objections to the changes you reverted together with their rationale and no objections have been forthcoming.

Did you want to register an objection, together with your reasons, or, after time to reflect, are you happy for these clarifications to now be made? --118dot93dot73dot30 15:23, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

Since you have not replied (either here or there) I assume that you are now happy for your revert to be reverted? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:00, 20 March 2013 (EDT)
OK, I'll take your silence as an assent to your revert to be reverted and make the necessary changes...--118dot93dot73dot30 18:43, 22 March 2013 (EDT)
I ask you kindly not to do any changes to policies, please. I didn't see any approval from the community for the changes you proposed and I don't think we need to urgently change any policy pages. Please hold on with changes to policies after we do the upgrade. Thank you! IBAlex 19:14, 22 March 2013 (EDT)

Thank you[edit]

Hi, Alex, and thanks for updating my user page. But wouldn't it be easier for you to unprotect it so that I can edit it normally? (Either that or reinstate my administrator privileges; then I can do it myself.) LtPowers 18:10, 22 March 2013 (EDT)

Also, if you have any suggestion of where else I might ask to have my user page unprotected, I'd appreciate it. LtPowers 10:07, 23 March 2013 (EDT)

Babel templates[edit]

Wikitravel:Babel
pl Język polski jest językiem ojczystym tego użytkownika.


en-4 This user is able to contribute with a near-native level of English.


de-3 Dieser Benutzer hat sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse.


fr-2 Cette personne peut contribuer avec un niveau moyen en français.


There are at least two clear advantage to actually using (ie transcluding) the Babel template on your user page rather than just using raw HTML code:

  1. The template provides an il to the explanation so that other users can both be enlightened as to the language ability codes and learn how to use Babel templates properly themselves
  2. If we ever decide to start using categories for the languages that users understand, it will be much easier to find users that have particular language abilities - something that we have needed quite frequently in the past...

Here's the code that you might want to use on your User page:
{{Babel-4|pl|en-4|de-3|fr-2}} --118dot93dot73dot30 18:54, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

Thanks! Appreciated! IBAlex 19:09, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

Travel info has been removed[edit]

Hi Alex,

My name is Donald, originally from Hoi An, Vietnam. I am currently living in Singapore.

I added an info about private transfer from airport to Hoi An, "Another option is to prearrange a private comfort transfer around 340,000 dong [6]" but it has been removed after posting.

According to the guideline, I think my post is suitable. Not sure why it has been removed.

Please give us some advice. Thanks.

Donald.

You fell foul of our external links policy (wntlt) regarding non-primary sources, Donald: http://wikitravel.org/en/User_talk:Donaldwt#Hello.2C_Donaldwt_.21 --118dot93dot73dot30 07:45, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
Sorry, Donald but in this case user 118dot93dot73dot30 is right. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2013 (EDT)
Unfortunately my username, while suitably anonymous and non-controversial, is quite a mouthful to type. You may call me 118 if that would make life easier... --118dot93dot73dot30 19:34, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

Urban backpacking[edit]

Greetings! Thanks for pointing that out. Regards, XXX (talk) 14:30, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

Sure! Thanks for complying! I'm looking forward to your contributions! IBAlex (talk) 14:34, 9 April 2013 (EDT)

Edits to Sirinagar page[edit]

Hi! I saw you were making several changes on the Srinagar‎‎ page, what was the nature of those changes? Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 15:26, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

I've got no idea where else to post this. I cannot email with that supplied link and and despite my better judgement, all evidence seems to indicate that i communicate here. The nature of the changes to that page? I moved an entry that I posted about Dal-Fog Guest House a couple of weeks ago from the introduction of the sleep section to the budget section of sleep. I also moved an entry about a trekking services in the Budget Sleep section to the See section. I also removed some empty lines between entries in Budget Sleep section. I also added a web link to another entry for a Srinagar guide I made a couple of weeks ago in the See section as as some some other minor edits. I also added a web contact link. Given that you more than likely already know this, I am a little confused by your request. I don't have any connection with these businesses other than friendship of sorts i have with them that motivated me out my inertia to make the initial entries. I wouldn't have made them initially if i felt I couldn't recommend them. For example, I have stayed at the Dal-Fog for over 2 weeks. Although I am not a person that would normally want a guide, I felt others definitely would. I am a 55 year old Australian who has travelled in Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and India over the last 6 months. I intend to travel in Kashmir for a couple of months. I have found Wikitravel mostly useful and regret not making a contribution sooner. Was there a problem with those edits and/or my contributions.

Hello Richmur! Thanks so much for getting back to me and for such a detailed answer, appreciated! I'm an admin here on Wikitravel and just wasn't sure what you were trying to do on Srinagar page. I saw that you moved trek Kashmir form section See to section Sleep and I was wondering why. I believe this entry belongs more to section See or Do since it's an activity listing and not a hotel, right? Or is it a hotel that offers trekking tours? It's crucial for us to keep Wikitravel as accurate as possible that's why I'm asking. Also, I noticed that you have started contributing recently so I thought you might need some help:) I would be happy to see more of your edits on Srinagar and many other pages - Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and India. We are delighted to have you here in our Traveler's community and we are happy that you consider our guide to be useful. Also, leaving a message on user's Talk Pages is the best way to communicate here on Wikitravel. Let me know if you have some questions. I'm here to help. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

Hello BAlex. Thank you for your welcome. Again, I am sorry I have not contributed sooner. To be honest, i am rather confused by who whole Wikitravel contribution and editing process, as well as not being confident about my writing ability. If you check the Srinagar page you'll find the trek entry mentioned in the Budget Sleep section, as all the edits i did a few days ago were reversed. When I edited, i moved it to the See section. Also, I am currently in Tangmarg, which is mentioned on the Gulmarg page as Tanmarg. It is a small town, 11kms from Gulmarg, and where buses from Srinagar terminate. Its few hotels are cheaper (but still expensive) than what is available in the often full or overpriced in the high season (like now). Would there be any call to create a page for this town? Again i thank you, Richard Murray (Richmur)

Hello Richard! Please use Quick Contribution Guide which can help you with your first steps on Wikitravel. Also, don't hesitate to ask me a question if something is unclear. You don't have to create a perfect, fully-formed article the first time around. Get your thoughts down and let others expand on them. That's how Wiki works! motivation to write and help other travelers is the key. We are happy to see that you are willing to contribute here!
I put the trek entry on Srinagar page in the section See, please check the article and do some more changes if you want. I have created a stub page for Tangmarg. Plunge forward and edit it! Thank you for suggesting that!
Just to let you know, if you want to sing your post, please use ~~~~. All the best, IBAlex (talk) 12:56, 18 June 2013 (EDT)


Thank you![edit]

Hi, thank you so much for your friendly welcome! Unfortunately I can't find out how to reply on my own page - maybe you can tell me? I enjoy contributing to Wikitravel very much and hope to do more in the future! It's a great project! Kind regards, MissGraham

Hi MissGraham! Thank you for your nice message! We are happy to hear that you like Wikitravel project! Thank you for making our guide better for all the travelers! To reply on your Talk Page, please click Edit at the top of the page. Let me know if you found it:) Also, when you want to sign your posts, please use~~~~ wiki markup. All the best! Happy editing! IBAlex (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
Yes, I found it, and now also learned how to sign a post! Thank you! :-) MissGraham (talk) 11:18, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
I am happy to help! Feel free to reach me anytime :) IBAlex (talk) 16:48, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Should IBadmins ignore policy[edit]

when Wikitravel:Don't_tout#Don.27t_include_referral_codes_in_URLs states clearly "Referral codes don't benefit travellers and will lead to removal of the listing"?

By doing this, I think you are sending the wrong message since a bit of carrot and stick is needed with the marketeers... --118dot93dot73dot30 16:44, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

118, instead of removing the whole listing, please remove the referral code [7]. The listing is informative and benefit the traveler. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 16:47, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
Did you read User_talk:Edralin#Please_conform ?
Our policy was specifically designed for problematic users like this that make money from abusing our listings. Edralin never bothers to change his behaviour or even reply to any comments left on his talk page. I feel so strongly over this spam flood that I will stop contributing to Wikitravel if you are now going to ignore long-standing policies and encourage abusers. It's not as if Makati is lacking Sleep listings - there are another 31 different listings in the same "Mid-range" section alone! There are other consistent problems with this user too, going way back before you joined us... --118dot93dot73dot30 16:58, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
We appreciate your vigilance, 118. If users adhere to our policies for marketers, they can place a listing. I'm inclined to believe that a habitual abuser who refuses to change or reply to us should rather be disciplined (short-term ban?) first, then other methods used such as reverting all their new edits, or perhaps blocking them altogether. Of course it's true that we'd rather not have touters here. They must learn our ways or simply stop adding listing at Wikitravel. Please work with IBalex and other admins to come to terms on a course of action in this and future cases. I think you're both partly in the right here.--IBobi (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
Ok, thanks, 118 and IBobi! Let's all keep an eye on User Edralin. I have just left her/ him a message with a request to start complying with our policies. Let's consider this as a final call to stop breaching the policies. If she/ he keeps on touting we should block the account, do you agree 118? Kind regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
I assume Edralin is financially rewarded for marketing efforts, either as a salaried employee or directly by way of marketing fees if "Edralin" is a firm's collective account. If I were an admin, I would have already instituted a series of escalating short term blocks of 1, 3, 8, 24 hours, followed by 1, 3 and 6 months since that would have taught them it was cheaper to dialogue and learn. The only tool that, as a normal user, I can use is to remove a listing completely and temporarily (where plenty of other sleep listings are on the pertinent destination page) since that sabotages Edralin's commercial reward without degrading the traveller experience too much. If I just remove the offending codes and MoS violations, I doubt they would ever notice. I believe that these kind of marketeers can be actively harnessed and channelled to our needs through education as this example shows so I am not in favour of permanent blocks except as a very last resort when a bit of carrot and stick has failed. --118dot93dot73dot30 22:38, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
User Edralin has been blocked now for 1 day since she/he kept on touting and failed to respond to the discussions on her/his talk page. 118, thank you for removing Edralin's postings. Your help is appreciated! Kind regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:35, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
I believe that action was appropriate and I have designed and placed on Edralin's User Talk page a new Block template. --118dot93dot73dot30 23:16, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
This blocked user has now switched to IP editing: Special:Contributions/61.28.160.118 --118dot93dot73dot30 04:01, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

here's an interesting edit --118dot93dot73dot30 18:03, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Checkuser requested[edit]

For newly created account Special:Contributions/Corncob believed to be a parallel account of Special:Contributions/Edralin and Special:Contributions/Duskromano because of their patterns of editing and specific and idiosyncratic MoS errors (not outlined here because of security concerns). --118dot93dot73dot30 01:44, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Thanks, 118. for cooperation! The IP address of Special:Contributions/Edralin, 61.28.160.118, has created 5 different accounts which I just blocked for sock puppetting. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Was User:Corncob one of them?
(It's usual to name the parallel accounts on the main account's page if they are being used to circumvent scrutiny or blocks, but I can not see them listed there).
It's very important for reasons of transparency and pour encourager les autres that blocks and the reasons for them are posted on the Users' pages.
(RN Admiral Byng was executed on 14 March 1757 aboard HMS Monarch in Portsmouth harbour.
Byng's execution is referred to in Voltaire's novel Candide with the line Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres – "In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others." --118dot93dot73dot30 17:08, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
I assume I will get a response in due course.
Meanwhile, Corncob's campaign from the Philippines continues. They must think we're asleep or just can't be bothered... --118dot93dot73dot30 00:59, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
Malaysia seems to have joined the party --118dot93dot73dot30 01:08, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

Have replied on my page[edit]

Hi Alex. I have replied on my page to your question there. Cheers. Nurg (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you for letting me know. I have replied as well [8]. I'm watching your page so I follow the conversation. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 14:11, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Blocking users from editing their own talk page[edit]

I do not believe it complies with either our policies (as currently enunciated) or natural justice that a blocked user "cannot edit own talk page". Do you, and if you do, why please? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:57, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

I understand your concern. However, we have many spammers that create very spammy user pages with tons of external links. As admins, we do block those users. It wouldn't make sense to let them edit their user pages when blocked because they will keep on spamming. And we are talking about at least 50 cases like that per day... If an individual feels that his account was mistakenly blocked and he wants to write something on Wikitravel, he gets a message that he can contact any of the admins. Me and the team would gladly respond to any inquiry. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
I think your reply makes some sense, but I need answers to supplementary questions.
Why do you not have the usual Wikimedia MediaWiki software option of blocking those who you regard as spammers with a bar to editing their own user namespace while also having the "normal" blocking option of barring edits to all namespaces other than their own user namespace?
My current perception is that far too much time and staff resources are currently devoted to these multiple spam accounts since they have a very limited SEO value to these stupid spammers (being "no followed") and no ordinary user is ever going to read these spammy user namespace pages! Effectively, they are part of the "dark and hidden web" if you configure your robots file to bar search engine spiders from reading user namespace.
Get yourself a mathematical Turing tester for new accounts, configure a new class of user: Novice that is unable to edit user namespace until and unless they have made at least 6 unreverted edits in main space. I really do not think that any "normal" user (as opposed to trolls, sockpuppets, spam bots and former admins coming back to harass as a parallel account) is going to want to make edits in user namespace before they have edited some of our articles!
Are you really 100% certain that you have Wikitravel (almost) uniquely configured so you can block users from editing their own user namespace but they can edit other users' namespace so that they "can contact any of the admins". http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Blocking_users#Blocking Are you really saying that you are only blocking spammers from editing their own namespace while they can still edit other namespaces (presumably, including Main)? How weird?
Have you tested the truth of what you say? The LtPowers incident seems to indicate otherwise...
Nurg, are you reading this? Have you ever seen such an oddball MediaWiki software configuration?
Sorry, 118, I don't understand your argument. Nurg (talk) 22:34, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding things outlined at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Blocking_users#Blocking and other pages, the conventional option when blocking is to bar an account (or an IP or whole IP range) from editing ALL pages except their user namespace. If you additionally check the box that "Prevent this user from editing their own talk page while blocked" that does not release the previous general block - the net effect is that the user, IP or IP range can not edit anything, full stop - so how the heck is the poor bugger supposed to "contact any of the admins" when WT has also globally disabled the e-mail facility? The only way I can see this working at all is if some helpful admins are willing to publish their e-mail and/or street addresses. --118dot93dot73dot30 03:02, 20 April 2013 (EDT)


Page protection[edit]

Changed rosters mean I will probably be unable to edit for 5 days - so you might want to protect these two pages from the taxi touts for a week or two: Lake Toba, Parapat‎ --118dot93dot73dot30 03:33, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Misrepresentation[edit]

It may be just a question of poor English, but are they misrepresenting that there is current e-mail correspondence with you? If they have a genuine case for listing then it would be far better that they made it on the associated discussion page of each article they want to tout in... --118dot93dot73dot30 11:38, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Thanks 118. for this message. See my responses to those 2 users [9], [10]. I am watching Lake Toba and Parapat‎ pages and if ReyMysterio or Sautsagala reverts mine or your edit and tries to put the touty listing again [11] I will block the user/ protect the page.
This edit [12] is unacceptable. Obviously, it wasn't me putting it there. Thank you for letting me know about it. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2013 (EDT)
They are at it again! --118dot93dot73dot30 14:27, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
Thanks! This is taken care of now! Best, IBAlex (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you![edit]

Thanks for the kind words regarding the photos I uploaded for the London page (and thanks for utilizing them!) I've got some of Bruges & York which I think could be suitable. I'll have a look through my archives, dig them out and upload them in the next couple of days! :)

Thank you, Mark! The photos are truly outstanding! Now the articles look way better:) Looking forward to seeing pictures of Bruges & York! Feel free to put them also in the articles. If you need help, let me know. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

Listing of providers[edit]

Hello Alex,

We have an office in Senaru, Lombok, and offer Rinjani treks, so I added our agency on the Mount Rinjani page, where there was already a list of guides and trekking providers.

One user - Felix505 - always deletes us. He was writing that there are already sufficient providers listed and that we don't have enough experience, even if my husband is climbing Rinjani with guests for a long time. He started to be a guide 11 years ago and last year in April we opened our own office and organise Rinjani trips now.

We were reading the guidelines but couldn't find a note about expertism of listed offices. We have only seen that it has to be a "real world" office with address, phone number, and so on. And we have also seen that it's written wikitravel is not the Yellow Pages. But also: "The Wiki technique we use for Wikitravel makes it possible for us to include information that's not in other travel guides. This doesn't mean that we only include information not found in other guides. Wikitravel aims to be a complete travel guide -- not just an additional resource on the side of traditional guides." For us that looks like you want to offer a list of good providers, well established offices but also new ones.

We don't understand how a single user can decide, if a company is listed or not. Why does he has the right to delete us? It would be great, if you could help us.

Best wishes, Sandra and Andreas

Hello Sandra and Andreas! Thank you for your message!
In this case I do agree with User talk:Felix505 who explained why the listings are being deleted.
There has been enough listings already on Mount Rinjani and we don't think that expanding this section with more and more offerings from trekking companies would actually benefit the Traveler. As Felix wrote there is no need for the article to list every provider who enters the field. It should be understood these travel guide articles do not seek to provide a service directory for a destination.
We wish you all the best with your business!
Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:58, 26 April 2013 (EDT)
Hello Alex, Thanks for your information. We hope to be listed here also one day. Best wishes
Thank you, Sandra for your understanding! It is very much appreciated! All the best, IBAlex (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

Addition to Saint Petersburg Page Mid-range Hotel[edit]

Dear Alexandra,

I was trying to make an edit to the following page - http://www.wikitourist.org/travelguide/Saint_Petersburg# under Mid-range Hotels.

However I am unable to edit this page.

Hotel Vera - Suvorovsky Prospekt 25/16. Within walking distance of Nevsky Prospect and the Moscow Railway Station. [Official Website [13]]. A boutique hotel in St. Petersburg which has been entered into the St. Petersburg Registry of Architectural Treasures as the house of the wealthy merchant Stepnov. English speaking staff. Cafe / bar serves traditional Russian and European dishes. This hotel is one of the few hotels in St Petersburg which offers wheelchair access.

I hope you can assist me in adding this contribution to Wikitourist.

Best regards,

Brian

Hello Brian! Thank you for your message! We are talking here about two different websites- you sent me a link to www.wikitourist.org and here you have www.wikitravel.org. Feel free to add your listing to Wikitravel Saint Petersburg page, following our policies for listings. Also, I strongly suggest to read our guidance as well. I hope this helps. If you need more assistance, please let me know, I will gladly help you. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:10, 20 May 2013 (EDT)
I am logged in there but I don't see any options to edit or add a new listing. And when I went to the help area it said only administrators can add information on this page. Which is what led me to you.. I read the guidelines carefully and don't see any issues with my contribution. Just need help to get it put there. Can you help?
Brian, I have tried to add a listing as not registered user (not admin) and it looks like everything works. Every time you want to add/ delete info please click the option Edit and follow wiki markup. Also, I see that the listing for Hotel Vera is already there so no need to add it twice. All the best, IBAlex (talk) 17:51, 20 May 2013 (EDT)

Re: Barcelona page[edit]

Hi Alex, thanks for contacting me, it's great to hear from you again! As requested, I've written a detailed analysis in response to the discussion you started here. I hope it helps! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2013 (EDT)

Thank you, BarcelonaExpert! I have just read your response, thank you for all the details! I will let TonyB take part in this discussion before making a decision on how to proceed in this case. And I am happy to hear that you like the pictures I have added. We wanted the article to look as good as possible as it's our May Destination of the Month :) Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:59, 13 May 2013 (EDT)
I had no idea Barcelona was the May Destination of the Month! That's great! I can't help but wonder whether my many additions and improvements to the article since March helped make it the Destination of the month by May. ;) Either way, I arrived just in time to have all my efforts seen and enjoyed by all WikiTravellers, and that's exciting! As for TonyB, I honestly don't think you'll be hearing from him as he just signed up one day, made 3 quick edits to the Barcelona page in 12 minutes, and never edited again since then, so I don't think he's here for the long-run. At any rate, when you have finished deliberating this matter with the Admins, please let me know if you agree with my analysis / recommendations and if you need any further "local" analysis from me. Thanks! BarcelonaExpert (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
Yes, BarcelonaExpert! Your contributions and improvements clearly helped us come up with this choice! Now so many WikiTravelers can see the article featured on the main Page:) Thank you once again! IBAlex (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
That makes me very happy to hear, thanks for letting me know! You're very welcomed, of course! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi again Alex, there is something strange happening on the Barcelona page that I wanted to bring to your attention. If I'm reading things correctly, then according to the site, there is no code difference between your edit #2039776 and your edit #2039778. However, edit #2039776 correctly shows the Table of Contents in the top left-hand corner of the article (where I believe it naturally belongs), but in the more recent #2039778 edit, it shows it further below next to the "District" section. I'm not sure why the two different edits are displaying differently considering there is supposedly no code difference between the two, but shouldn't the Table of Contents be appearing as the first thing on the top left? Is this some kind of bug in the Wiki software? By the way, I also agree with you that the picture of La Rambla that I added several weeks ago should appear on the top right side of the article, not the top left, since it should be secondary to the more important Table of Contents and introductory text. Anyway, please let me know. Thanks! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi BarcelonaExpert! Thank you for pointing that out and keeping an eye on the page!:) I think that Barcelona page got recently several edits that messed up the formatting of the page. I fixed it now by putting wiki markup for Table of Content(TOC). It should look ok now- TOC on the left and the picture on the right. I also feel it looks better and more organized this way. Thank you! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
OK, thanks for letting me know and for fixing it. It looks great now! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi Alex, I forgot to post here to let you know that I had completed the detailed analysis of the Bike tours in Barcelona and posted it here 2 weeks ago. Sorry I didn't let you know sooner! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 10:05, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

Hola Barcelona Expert! Thank you for letting me know about it! I haven't noticed your updates on the Talk Page, sorry! Here is my reply. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 14:08, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
Hola Alex, thanks for your super fast reply! I replied to you here with a few more details. Hope this helps! Cheers! :) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 15:35, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

Spam filters[edit]

Hi Alex,

Thank you for your advice about tackling the spams which rampant on ja: pages these days.

If you know more powerful and useful spam filters, would you please activate them on ja: pages? We are happy to hear your response on the ja: traveler's pub.--Shoestring (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2013 (EDT)

Hello Shoestring! Thank you for your response! Japanese WT has already several abuse filters that protect it from removing large number of characters from the articles or from IP addresses that make too many edits in a short period of time. English WT has more filters that are "phrase-specific", meaning that users cannot use certain words/ phrases on the site, such as profanity words or typical spam phrases like "Got nothing to say but here is my website...". All those banned phrases are written in English though. Please let me know what are the spam phrases on JA WT and I would happily create filters against them. I will have to know the Japanese equivalents of profanity words and the spam phrases. Are they in Japanese or both in Japanese and English? Feel free to send me an email with all the words/ phrases that you would like me to put into abuse filters. My email: awocial@internetbrands.com. Thank you! IBAlex (talk) 13:27, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
Hi Alex,
Thank you for your response regarding the ja: spam-bots and sorry for not to respond to your comments quickly.
So far we need "phrase-specific" spam filter(s) like the one you mentioned above. Most of the spams on ja: are written in English, so the one you use on en: now could be effective for us as well. And if you can custom it to the Japanese version, we are very happy to use it (we can put the key words (such as profanity words and the specific spam phrases) ourselves).--Shoestring (talk) 05:12, 9 June 2013 (EDT)
Hey Shoestring, thank you for your message! I would gladly set up the filters against English profanity phrases/ words but I would need your help with Japanese. You can write me an email to awocial@internetbrands.com with all the Japanese words/ phrases you would like me to create filters for. Thank you so much for your cooperation! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 12:35, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

Deleting Free Walking Tours[edit]

Hello, I am a new tour operator for Asheville Free Walking Tours which is similar to other tour companies in Europe and NYC/DC like "Free Tours Stockholm" What do I need to do/write to keep this entry from being deleted? I am adding a value "thing-to-do" and this will be a regular tour for tourists in Asheville, Thank you for your help! Cwjones (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2013 (EDT)CJ

Hello Cwjones! thank you for your message. I would gladly explain why your listing was reverted.
  • We believe that your walking tour does not constitute a value-added activity (it's just a regular tour) and that a traveller could fulfil the substance of the tour on their own.
  • The operator must have a "real world" office with a phone number and address in the location where the tour operates. I haven't seen the address in your listing.
  • In practice this policy disallows listings for most audio tours, walking tours, and guided tours since the substance of such tours can generally be fulfilled by an independent traveller, and the information provided on such tours should ideally be included in the appropriate Wikitravel article. If you have a question about whether a tour can be listed, or feel that an exception is warranted, please use the discussion page of the appropriate article to discuss your concerns.
Here is a policy page that explains that. i hope now everything is clear. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 12:55, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
I do have a "real world" address, 1 West Pack Square, Ste 1700, Asheville, NC 28801. Secondly, The walking tour is based on the Stockholm Free Tour when I visited Stockholm last summer, and this tour is listed on that Wikitravel page for Stockholm. It is value-added just as the "Urban walking trail" tour is on the same page and the electric bike tours, giving the history and explanation of what is important in Asheville.
On foot-
Free Tour Stockholm [72] offers zero-charge guided tours in English year round, find out when through the webpage. It runs completely on tips and you don't have to book in advance, just show up. Highlights include finding out which Nobel Prize is a kind of fake, why Queen Christina had to sleep under her dead dad's heart and how not to rob a bank. This tour is currently the highest ranked tour on TripAdvisor, and since it's free, check it out! It starts from the big staircase at Sergels torg and takes 1 hour 30 min. http://wikitravel.org/en/Stockholm Cwjones (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
Dear Cwjones, I still do not see what is the added- value your tour will offer and I believe that the substance of your walking tour can generally be fulfilled by an independent traveller. You can always start a conversation on Asheville talk page and see how the community responds. If the community feels that your listing should be there, we will consider putting it back on the page. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 16:40, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

Message[edit]

I have made a travel warning to Benghazi on Wikitravel, please feel free to check it and make any changes if there are any mistakes, thanks.

I changed the pictures of maps and flags from jpg or png to svg

I also changed the articles by removing [[File: and 250px|frameless]] NewFranco (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2013 (EDT)

NewFranco, thank you for a prompt message! Appreciated! Forgive me my question but why is it better to have the pictures as "svg", instead of "jpg" or 'png? I understand the changes where you removed this ugly formatting with [[File: and 250px|frameless]]- thanks a lot! Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2013 (EDT)
Svg has good quality NewFranco (talk) 16:39, 21 June 2013 (EDT)
png can be equally good. However, colours and region focus can be different, so I have had to revert some of your changes on a case by case basis. Great work on adding captions to the quickbar images! --W. Franke-mailtalk 04:51, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

German Wikitravel[edit]

Hallo IBAlex, schau bitte auf die deutsche Diskussionsseite Wikitravel:Stammtisch. Da wurden einige Fragen gestellt, die nur unzureichend beantwortet wurden. Die deutsche Wikitravel ist eingeschlafen und keiner kann sagen wie es weiter geht. -- Atze (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Endlich! --W. Franke-mailtalk 15:57, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Portuguese Wikitravel[edit]

Vandals and pages unpatrolled prevalent in Portuguese Wikitravel. 187.62.66.91 14:39, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

Hello! Thank you for reporting that. What kind of vandalism do you see there? IBCash who used to patrol Portuguese Wikitravel will stay inactive right now but we have another Portuguese admin over there (User:Livroturistico) who should help you with that. Please try to get in touch with him. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

Hello[edit]

I'm one of the previous contributors to the Slovenia article, and what I've seen happening there lately has me worried. Several IPs have reverted a single user removing content based on his explanation: "useless opinion." Most of those IPs have been blocked for "vandalism" by one admin, while the original editor who started the edit war (and had no other previous edits on the entire English Wikitravel) didn't receive any sanctions.

I have noticed that you have already been in contact with both users, and I would appreciate it if you could offer any information or help on this matter. From my point of view, this looks like a forceful removal of an opinion, where anyone disagreeing with such action is consequently banned. If this is how Wikitravel works, then you can count me out as a future contributor. 95.181.33.22 12:37, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

Hello IP 95.181.33.22! Thank you for your message! I have checked your contributions to Slovenia article and I see you have added very constructive information there. Thank you for that. However, the nature of a wiki is that the articles can be rewritten by many users who come and add information, it's normal. I see that the vast majority of the information you added to the article is still there on the site. It was just slightly edited. Apart from that I see that there has been an edit war between IP addresses and user Sloth who I advised to start a discussion on the article Talk page in order to reach a consensus. If the IP addresses fail to respond to his arguments and keep on engaging in the edit war, I will have to protect the page.
Also, I saw that you have inserted many obscenities on other user's talk pages and that you were blocked by the abuse filter. Sorry but in this case I cannot unblock you as my goal here on WT is to protect the site. i hope you understand. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 21:12, 8 July 2013 (EDT)
I can't see these 'inserted ... obscenities' is the view restricted to IBadmins? --W. Franke-mailtalk 10:19, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
the view is restricted to the bureaucrats who can access the Abuse Filter Log. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 14:17, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

Hi![edit]

Hi Alex,

I managed to add the new map. And yes, for the records, I'm a native of Rome! Quirite (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

Hi Quirite! Grazie! Grazie! :) The map looks good! We are so happy to have a native of Rome taking a closer look at our Rome article! Quirite, if you have any pictures you would like to upload to the article, we would be delighted to see them there! Also, feel free to contribute to our Italian Wikitravel that is really expanding now! We have a great Italiano amministratore there whose name is Giulio. If you have a spare time, check it out. Saluto! IBAlex (talk) 14:25, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

Travel Photography[edit]

Yes, I can update it. I am already doing that.

M.

Awesome, WindowsNT! Thank you for your help! Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 17:48, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
I 've done some work. Take a look. WindowsNT (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2013 (EDT)
Great job! Thank you so much for your time! Travel photography article looks fresh and up-dated now thanks to you! We would love to see more of your edits. Are you planning on working on some new articles now? Thanks again! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Photos of people[edit]

Hello, thanks for the answers on Travellers' Pub page (on Wikitrawel Shared), i continue same converstion here. I have read that there are "exceptions" on Wikitravel "for photos that show a particular sports or activities or crowd scenes or illustrating some costume or uniform", so i'm aware, but the pictures i have doubts of are slightly different in certain ways, and although i also think that they should be OK to use on Wikitravel (and what is important in my opinion: they ALREADY have passed the "filter" of Wikimedia Commons and they are IN USE of other projects, they are already public and in use) however they were deleted indicating that "one has no right to upload the pictures with people". I mean to upload them to the Wikitravel page, not Wikitravel Shared. The pictures are these: first, second, third, forth. The latter illustrates certain activities and its exact location, not just the building in the background. Two former ones are illustrations of local annual medieval warfare festival, it is described on "Do" section of the country's page but the text does not provide information what kind of festival it is, so it would be useful, you can compare these pictures with, say, this picture and it's obvious that the events are essentially different, although both are "festivals".

There were more reasons for the deletion of those pics, however i see that "people in the photos" is sort of a painful issue for Wikitravel in general. There was an anonymous indication that "one has no right to upload the pictures with people", therefore (since it was anonymous) there was no way (and no whom) to ask for details, eg whether this is a standard text for all regardless the content of the pictures or this applies for the specific pictures that must be deleted. So my question is about these specific pictures (links above). They potentially can be uploaded.

One more picture under the question is this one. It's a "public domain", the people in front of the building serves as entourage and as a measure of a scale. How about it?

All of these pictures, as i indicated in my question on the Travellers' Pub, are not mine, the authors are other people. Therefore my last question: technically they can be uploaded to Wikitravel Shared, their licenses are suitable for that, however everybody who opens any Wikitravel page of any country and then want to edit it - the 1st instruction is as follows: "All contributions to Wikitravel must be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0". There is no indication that there may be some difference between the text and images. One even don't have to read further as there is no indication that there maybe exclusions, eg dual licenses or some other CC-BY-SA or public domain. The instruction is strict and very clear, if so why to read more? It clearly reads bellow "otherwise it will be deleted". So i now don't trust neither this instruction nor detailed explanations on the special pages. My conclusion so far is that non of the pictures (including public domains) can be uploaded to the Wikitravel page except those that are licensed under CC-BY-SA and its number must be only 3.0. Is it correct conclusion? --Kazys (User talk:Kazys) 11:52, 26 July 2013.

Kazys, thanks for carrying on with our discussion. Couple of things:
  • I would say all the pictures that you listed above are OK and I see no problem with uploading them on Wikitravel Shared. I cannot see who deleted them and when was it. Do you remember that?
Thanks for not ignoring my questions :D. I probably made my mind not quite clear: i have no problems with Wikitravel Shared and everything is clear over here, the question is about the further steps, when those pictures will be re-uploaded to Wikitravel. They already were deleted for several reasons from this page by user (me under other user name specifically for Wikitravel) because there was a message (an "order") to delete them displayed on the every picture (instead of the pictures). I assume ths is a Wikitravel practice? It was not a regular message but sort of a trick. I assume this was done by some admin. I don't argue and accept everything, therefore in the future i don't want to upload the pictures that violates Wikitravel policy. So in that message ("order" or "command" or "ultimatum") there were several statements and one of them was a clear statement that i have no right to upload photos with people. These photos were those that you have just approved. If i won't receive same ulimatum again i have no questions anymore, simply i wanted to receive non-anonymous confirmation. So far all your answers were genuinely helpful, thank you very much IBAlex. So i understand that all those pictures are suitable to be uploaded to Wikitravel Shared and then to the Wikitravel pages, and some other admin won't decide that they are not suitable, is it correct? --Kazys (User talk:Kazys) 11:46, 1 August 2013.
  • Please upload all the pictures to Wikitravel Shared, and not Wikitravel. Here is a page that helps you with that. (You would have to log in to your WT Shared account].
Yes, this is what i have already learned from your explanation earlier, thanks. The reason of confusion was that there is no even a hint about that neither on the WT pages "Editing (country's name)", nor on this page which is supposed to "help" sort of. Everything else is clear, no questions. --Kazys (User talk:Kazys) 11:46, 1 August 2013.
  • Pictures uploaded to WT can have the following licenses: CC-BY-SA, public domains or with no rights reserved. However, every content that you put on Wikitravel is licensed under CC-BY-SA (Attribution-Share Alike 3.0). I hope that this is more clear now.
Thanks. This is more clear than the instruction on the "Editing" page, no doubt. Thank you very much for everything, actually you did answer all my questions and all your answers were and are useful and meaningful, they should replace those written, sorry, "instructions" if someone cares about their helpfulness :D . --Kazys (User talk:Kazys) 11:47, 1 August 2013.
Please let me know if you have any more questions. Thank you!
Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
Kazys, I don't know about any admin that wanted to delete your pictures. Do you remember his/ her username? As mentioned above, in my understanding the pictures that you wanted to upload to Lithuania article are fine. I'm glad to know that things are more clear now. If you have more questions, feel free to leave me a message. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
Thank you for clarifying everything, so i have no "technical questions" no more, as well as any others. As for those messages i can't know his or her username as it was not a regular message, it was so that i have opened the page (Lith article) and all the pictures were blank (they were uploaded directly from wikimedia commons, so that was a genuine reason to remove them as i understand now). When i clicked them the message popped up with the text: first of all the "order" to stop uploading them (which automatically means that they are not suitable to display) and there also were several things as to what i must or can't do, e.g. things about licensing, about wikitravel Shared, about the people on the photos, maybe something else. It was not signed and it didn't reflect (and doesn't reflect) at the article's "history" page (it was between 8 June and 19 June, one can see that they were deleted on 19 June by me under the usename Local; and on wikitravel Shared my username is Kazys). So when i saw this i opened "editing" page to see whether these messages are same for all pictures or there are some differences and to find out who did this "trick" (don't know how to name this). But there was nothing, no message text, nothing, and nothing was modified. So i deleted pictures and started to think how and whom i could ask. I assume such "trick" can be done by admin, certainly not by user from the outside. But thanks to you all my uncertainties were solved. --Kazys (User talk:Kazys) 09:31, 6 August 2013.
Sorry for the inconvenience you experienced then! I'm almost sure that this wasn't done by any of the admins. Anyways, happy editing! Are you planning on working on some new pages? Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 19:23, 6 August 2013 (EDT)
Thanks for support :D . I was pretty sure that this was a regular case :). I'm not planning to create new pages but i plan to expand some other existing articles, mostly smaller and practically unknown cities or towns of Lithuania. Also to add some things here and there that can't be found on any other english-language guidebook or site. That's all :) .--Kazys (User talk:Kazys) / --Local (talk) 05:31, 7 August 2013 (EDT)
Sounds good! Would be great to have this information on Wikitravel! If in the future you have some more questions, don't hesitate to contact me:) Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 13:22, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Pictures on the right side[edit]

Hi, i know that the policy is to keep the pictures on the right side - how strict is this rule? Now i'm not sure but isn't there some sort of flexibility as "keep them on the right side, unless..." ? My point to put some of them on the left side was exclusively to save the space and avoid empty gaps. Additionally - to keep the picture as close to the text it is illustrating as possible. Or this is secondary and should be avoided at any cost, unless approved by admin otherwise? :D . I particulary am thinking about the first one on this page, as this is in the very beginning and there are several other big images and templates, but the text is short, paragraphs are short and the picture (aerial view of the castle) now is not related to paragraph "history". Or is this not essential? I every time look at the composition as a whole, not just whether the pictures look better or worse, the context is equally important. Or is this secondary and does not matter? I ask because there are some pictures left that i plan to upload, i.e. it's not completed yet, also on Kaunas page the pictures are composed on both sides (not by me) and i see why: it's more reasonable in this particular case and the pictures provide certain visual information that can't be described textually - hence they should be related to the text and putting them on the both sides solves that problem of both composition and rationality. Or is this secondary and the policy "pictures must be on the right side" is primary? i don't argue, simply tell strictly and i will obey :). In other words, those several more pictures that i plan to insert into the text, should i think about the composition and unreasonable gaps, or should i just put them to the right side and if it's full then it's full, no more pictures are needed? And slightly different question: on Kaunas article i see the coat of arms of the city. And don't see that on the article of the capital (Vilnius), also didn't notice that thing on some other cities of other countries (e.g. London, Warszawa) - is it OK to insert the coat of arms if i see certain point, or is this unnecessary, or even must be avoided?

And 1 more question: something went wrong with the last image that i uploaded, tried to upload again but failed :( - this one. I see it on the list, but don't see when i open its page. --Local (talk) 03:08, 8 August 2013 (EDT)

Hi Local! Let me answer your questions one by one:
  • We tend to put the pictures on the right side of a page and in the nearest proximity to the content they are related to. That's the layout we agreed on over years and that's how the vast majority of our articles look like. Would be great to keep it that way. We also try not to make our articles look cluttered and that's why we should try to select the best pictures in the articles. If there are enough good pictures in the article already, we should refrain from adding additional ones. If we see pictures added to the left side of the page, we change them to the right. I hope this helps.
Agree with everything. Thanks.--Local (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
  • Yes, feel free to add coat of arms to the articles. This is fine.
Good.--Local (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
  • What is wrong with this picture? To me everything looks fine.
Hmm, i don't see the picture (photo) itself, only a sentence "No file by this name exists, but you can upload it" instead, but if you see it then to me everything is fine as well :D --Local (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
Bizarre... I see everything perfectly. Try to refresch your crowser and clear cache. Also, you might try with another browser. I hope this helps. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 15:05, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
I checked from the other computer (with same browser) - well, i see it too now. Sorry :)--Local (talk) 17:23, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
Thanks! Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 13:50, 8 August 2013 (EDT)

Six days hiking on Moskenesøy[edit]

Regarding: "Hello Tofola! Nice to see you edits here again! I saw you nominated Six days hiking on Moskenesøy for deletion. Do yuo think that instead of deleting it, you could actually help us update this article? I just did a small research and to me it looks like Moskenesøy would be a perfect place for hiking. Would be great to have an itinerary about it on Wikitravel. Please let me know if this is something you could help us with. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2013 (EDT)"

I did this hiking trip to many years ago, and I can't remember all the details needed to make this trip again. Since I am not able to "recover" this knowledge, the article will not be worked on anymore

Hi![edit]

Hi Aleksandra,

thanks for your comment on my Talk Page - sorry for the late reply.

I'm no great expert, but some years ago I became a fan of Wikitravel which has become my main source when I go travelling.

I try to look out for extra info., or for Wikitravel info. that has since changed (e.g. the Skopje page said there were two international bus stations, but that is no longer true), just to return the favour.

Of course I'll do the same in future.

All the best, FTMDave (talk)

Great to hear that Wikitravel helps you during your travels! Thank you for all your contributions so far! We appreciate that! Would you like to help us more by giving us suggestions for DOM or OTBP candidates or by uploading some pictures? Would be great to hear back from you. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 15:42, 27 August 2013 (EDT)

Fixed image widths[edit]

I was a little concerned about this edit of yours http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Singapore&curid=773&diff=1999726&oldid=1999264

It's great to add some pretty pictures but I think you need to remember that all our casual readers have their page width reduced by the adverts that appear on the right and many may have slow connections or narrow screens.

That's partly why we have these policies: http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image_policy#Minimal_use_of_images and http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image_policy#Image_sizes and this advice: Wikitravel:How_to_add_an_image#Sizing

What do you think are the chances of this proposal being implemented: Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#Default_image_sizes_in_Thumbnails?

I've only changed the specification of the lead image, but you may want to consider removing the fixed width of 400px from the other images in our Singapore article after you have read the references above - especially as Singapore currently has star status, meaning it should comply with all our current policies!. --118dot93dot73dot30 15:10, 1 March 2013 (EST)

IT is looking at Wikitravel:Travellers'_pub#Default_image_sizes_in_Thumbnails proposal. personally, i think it's a great idea. Thanks! IBAlex 15:13, 1 March 2013 (EST)
Thanks for the quick response and I will keep my fingers crossed that this is quickly implemented. --118dot93dot73dot30 15:17, 1 March 2013 (EST)

Template:Panorama[edit]

The spam filter does not allow me to create a template to facilitate the display of panorama style images on small screen widths. Here is the code which needs to replace the current truncated code:

<includeonly> <div class="thumbinner"><div class="overflowbugx">[[File:{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|alt={{{alt|}}}|{{#switch:{{{3}}} |thumb |thumbnail |frame |border={{{1}}} |#default={{{3|}}}}}]]</div>{{ #if: {{{3|}}}|<div class="thumbcaption">{{Magnify icon|link=File:{{{1}}} }}<!-- -->{{{3}}}</div>|}} </div></div></includeonly> <noinclude> This template is intended to add a panorama type image with a slider, caption and an "enlarge" widget </noinclude>

Thanks for your anticipated assistance. --118dot93dot73dot30 20:55, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Hi! Thanks! I tried to create this template but didn't manage to do that. I copy and pasted the code to Template:Panorama, is that what you were asking for? Thanks again! IBAlex 21:02, 5 March 2013 (EST)
I've had to revert your edit because it was not formatted properly. The problem is that the spam filter does not even allow me to show you the correct code here. Perhaps you can check the filter and see the code that I am trying to add?
I need to add style="overflzw:autz;"> just after the current part (that I managed to add) that says: <div class="overflowbugx" where the two occurrences of the letter "z" for Zulu expressed in code format are replaced by the letter "o" for Oscar. --118dot93dot73dot30 22:24, 5 March 2013 (EST)
That's the filter that prevents from using "Wikiv****e"....sorry :) IBAlex 20:15, 6 March 2013 (EST)
I don't think so. (That one's "Salem's Lot", I think). Why should the spam filter object to "overflow" and "auto" separated by a colon in a line of code? --118dot93dot73dot30 21:40, 6 March 2013 (EST)
If this helps in any way, here is what I see when I examine your edit at the Abuse Filter Log. IBAlex 13:23, 7 March 2013 (EST)
Yes, that was an earlier attempt of mine that had some unnecessary explanatory commentary that was not really needed. In that case, the spam filter did the job it was designed to do. However, in that instance it highlighted the 'spam" that offended against the rule. However I still can not use the offending phrase "(censored) overflow:auto" because it offends against the rule:

-> 'style( )*\=( )*(\"|')?overflow( )*\:( )*auto'

Can you find this edit to your user page in the log? --118dot93dot73dot30 16:39, 7 March 2013 (EST)

I see right now that the problem was not with the Abuse filter but with the [Wikitravel:Local spam blacklist|Spam Filter]. I removed the 'style( )*\=( )*(\"|')?overflow( )*\:( )*auto' phrase and this let me add the code to the Template:Panorama. I did this in good faith and now I am only wondering why this phrase was on the black list before. I would hate to do something that will harm WT.
Please let me know if with this template we can already put panoramic pictures in the articles. Thanks! IBAlex 18:32, 7 March 2013 (EST)

We made it, Alex! You can see the (working) result of the new {{panorama}} template here: User:118dot93dot73dot30/Test & here; I'm particularly gratified to see that the width of the displayed panorama box reduces its width automagically (at least with my XP and Linux Firefox browsers) if the window or tab width is decreased. Try it!

That overflow phrase can be powerful, so, if you are unable to assign any special editing privileges to me, it might be wiser to restore the local spam filter to what it was now we've got it working. It will be difficult and tedious for me to introduce new templates here if I keep running into this sort of problem, though... --118dot93dot73dot30 19:04, 7 March 2013 (EST)

Congratulations! Very good job! I'm happy that we can have panoramic images now on WT! IBAlex 21:47, 7 March 2013 (EST)
I restored the blacklisted phrase, thank you for suggestion! Which other templates are you thinking of creating?
I'll just create them if and when I find them useful. For example, I just got rather fed up using a lot of repetitive HTML when I have been trying to modify and clarify tdf a bit so I've just created Template:ol for colouring the good exemplars olive. Since your spam filters are so ferocious and restrictive it will not be possible to create anything really complicated or useful - unless you want to create a special category of users trusted not to spam you... --118dot93dot73dot30 22:06, 8 March 2013 (EST)
The filters are much needed here on WT as they help us fight spam and vandalism. Feel free to reach out to me anytime you have problems with them. I am here to help. As for now we are not thinking about creating any additional special category.
We highly appreciate your contributions here, thank you!
Congratulations! Very good job! I'm happy that we can have panoramic images now on WT! IBAlex 21:47, 7 March 2013 (EST)
I restored the blacklisted phrase, thank you for suggestion! Which other templates are you thinking of creating?
I'll just create them if and when I find them useful. For example, I just got rather fed up using a lot of repetitive HTML when I have been trying to modify and clarify tdf a bit so I've just created Template:ol for colouring the good exemplars olive. Since your spam filters are so ferocious and restrictive it will not be possible to create anything really complicated or useful - unless you want to create a special category of users trusted not to spam you... --118dot93dot73dot30 22:06, 8 March 2013 (EST)
The filters are much needed here on WT as they help us fight spam and vandalism. Feel free to reach out to me anytime you have problems with them. I am here to help. As for now we are not thinking about creating any additional special category.
We highly appreciate your contributions here, thank you!

I'm afraid your filters are making it impossible for me to do any useful work here.

Check the filter logs for my recent edits that were forbidden please.

Just now I wanted to test a new article title display format to avoid the problem of having a very thin lead paragraph squeezed between an infobox and a table of contents but was stopped again.

Please replace display:THWARTED with display:nOVEMBER(no space between the 4 letters and don't use the capitalised parts of the NATO spelling alphabet)oSCAR(no space between the 4 letters and don't use the capitalised parts of the NATO spelling alphabet)nOVEMBER(no space between the 4 letters and don't use the capitalised parts of the NATO spelling alphabet)eCHO, wherever it occurs below, and then substitute the proper code for the current first line at South Island/Title Template, please:

{{DISPLAYTITLE:<span style="display:THWARTED">{{FULLPAGENAME}}</span>}} --118dot93dot73dot30 18:45, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

Please would you favour me with a reply to the above request? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:11, 13 March 2013 (EDT)

I'm getting a little frustrated that my efforts to drastically improve the look and feel of our articles are getting thwarted by the lack of a reply - it's been a week now. --118dot93dot73dot30 15:16, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

Bot[edit]

hi, would it be allpwable for me to create a bot that could HTML scrape and so update opening times, prices, etc. to keep the site up to date?--217.111.112.178 14:46, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

217.111.112.178, thanks for the message! Can you please elaborate more on this idea? What would the bot be doing exactly? Thanks :) IBAlex (talk) 14:50, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

ja: spambot filters does not work well[edit]

Hi, this is Shoestring of ja: (sorry for not to respond you so often).

It seems that your spam filter on ja: does not work at all recently, and we can't those new spammers, as you can see the recent change list of ja:.

Would you help us again?--Shoestring (talk) 16:38, 10 July 2013 (EDT)

Hello Shoestring! Thank you for your message! Of course, I would gladly help you. I just need to know the phrases and words that I should set up the filters for? What is the pattern that the spammers on JA Wikitravel use? What works for EN Wikitravel might not work for JA Wikitravel. You can send me a list for all the phrases that the spammers use via email awocial@internetbrands.com. Just to let you know, the abuse filters on JA WT stopped 38 spammers in the last month.
Also, I just wanted to follow-up with the bugs that you reported a while ago to us. Everything works fine now? Please let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
Hi Alex, thank you for your response. Would you please filter the keywords I listed here ?
Please tell me when you completed filtering. Then I will delete those words from my list and add new words accordingly. Thank you for your help.
Speaking of the bugs, we still have some malfunctions such as displaying index, some templates (especially when we log in).--Shoestring (talk) 04:43, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
Thank you, Shoestring! I will be adding them in the next couple of days and will let you know once I'm done. Regarding the bugs, when you say malfunctions with index do you mean the first point you are making here? Which templates you are experiencing problems with? I would need to know the details so that I can report it to Tech. Thank you a lot! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
Shoestring, I have just set up the filters for the phrases you gave me. If there is anything else, please let me know. Also, could you please get back to me soon to tell me if there is less spam on JA WT. i would like to know if the filers worked. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

Hi, Alex. Thank you very much. With your help, spam attacks seem to be declined dramatically for these couple of days. On the other hand, recently we got several types of advertisement-like spam pages (such as real estate, health-promoting, personal loan, entertainments etc. So I tried to pick up the related key words on my spam bot key words list, every time when those pages were made. So would you please add those words on your black lists when you have times?

Speaking of bugs on ja:, yes, those I mentioned before does not normalized so far. Is there any problem not just your programs but the types of browsers (for your information, I use I.E. regularly)? --Shoestring (talk) 21:52, 27 July 2013 (EDT)

Excuse me, I noticed the fact that some of the information on my preference tugs had been back to its default status, along with your program update. And since the preference tugs were malfunctioned, I didn’t notice how to fix them. So, the index and "Months template" problems are solved.--Shoestring (talk) 05:45, 28 July 2013 (EDT)
I'm happy to hear that there is less spam on JA WT now. I will be looking at the filters on Japanese Wikitravel and will get back to you.
Regarding the bugs, should I understand that everything is fine now? Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Intermediate level between outline and usable for countries[edit]

Hi again.

Continuing the issues about Jordan. I do believe that a status between "outline" and "usable" should exist for countries, for, with the requirements of the usable, almost all countries have remained to the "outline" status.

This is not fair, for it places the same status in common tourist destinations (Greece, France, Germany and most of Europe etc which have lots of places to be completed so if 99 cities are complete and 1 isn't they are marked as outline) while also awards that status to destinations like Chad for which there will almost never be an upgrade to "usable". Or, the "usable" status is given to places with 1 or 2 towns just because there is nothing to write more.

I do believe that the status must be awarded while taking into consideration the country's tourist status, or we could create such a tourist status. Status could also combine country safety or accessibility, for example it's almost impossible to have a complete "Get in" for London, for there are thousand ways to get in and constantly changing, whereas having even one reliable "Get in" for Equatorial Guinea would be enough for the section to be considered complete. WindowsNT (talk) 06:25, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

Thank you WindowsNT for carrying on with the discussion! I agree with you- let's discuss in more depth the [Wikitravel:Article status| article status]]. Instead of creating a new status I would suggest to redefine the current ones that we have. It stays that In general, useable articles are not really complete articles, however. They may not offer many options for where to eat and sleep. They may not contain much information about nightlife or shopping, for example. Or they may be lacking much helpful information about the destination in general, or nearby destinations. This prevents them from being considered true "guide" articles. Therefore, maybe we should upgrade all the countries that are classified as "outlines" into "usable" articles? That is just a suggestions. I would encourage you to start a discussion about it on the Travellers' Pub and see what other users in the community think. Together we should come to some conclusions. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:40, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

Images from Flickr[edit]

Hello, i see there is a possibility to upload the pictures from Flickr to Wikitravel Shared, how to do that "technically" also is clear, just some aspects of the whole procedure are not clear to me: can i upload the picture (with "some rights reserved", CC-BY-2.0) similarly like from Wikimedia Commons, or should i click "request to license" first on Flickr page, then wait for reply and so on? I'm not a member of Flickr and generally didn't deal with it before. --Local (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

Very good question! You can upload to WT Shared only those pictures from Flickr that have Creative Commons license and the content can be used commercially. Therefore, in search results on Flickr, please check "Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content" AND " Find content to use commercially" and then click Search. Then, as you know, please use our standard Upload page on Shared and insert the Flickr wikimarkup for the "Summary" section, i.e. {Flickr|title=|description=|photographer=|photographer_location=|photographer_url=|flickr_url=|taken=}}{{Location|}}. I hope that it is more clear now. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
Thanks, i thought that i have to check "Find content to modify, adapt, or build upon" ...:) , so i assume i don't need "request to license"? Some pages have this button, some doesn't (i have searched correctly). I uploaded 2 photos for "testing" - this and this, if something wrong you can delete them, or i will edit if it will be necessary. If everything OK i plan to upload some 10 (+/-) photos from Flickr. --Local (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
Local, if you plan to modify the picture before uploading it to Wikitravel Shared, then you should check Find content to modify, adapt, or build upon in your search results as well. If you are not planning to change it, then no need to check that box.
Both pictures you upload are fine. You attributed them correctly. Thank you! Looks like our Wikitravel Vilnius article is going to look really nice! Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

Thank you![edit]

Thanks for the kind words! Happy to help! Awiseman (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2013 (EDT)

Removing info on Kolyma highway[edit]

Hi Alex, I'm KCharles, I wrote a lot of the original material on the Kolyma highway. Thanks for adding some more info - did you go there recently? I was wondering why you removed some info as well, like locations of local airports. I'm reasonably keen to leave the warnings I wrote in - part of the reason the fatality rate for foreigners is only a few percent is that unprepared dreamers are kept away! Kcharles (talk) 20:26, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

Hi KCharles! Nice to meet such an experienced Traveler! First of all, thank you for creating Kolyma highway article and for all your contributions so far! Good job! I edited the article based on the email I recently received from one of our Wikitravelers. He asked us to update the article as some of the information was bot accurate anymore according to him. Here is what he wrote: This entry is seriously outdated, although probably correct when written – the decade of the gangs is long over, gold mines are actively opening (so stores are open selling basic food in a number of widely-spaced places), police are in evidence in larger towns and the government is upgrading the highway and bridges on a grand scale along the entire Yakutsk to Magadan stretch...etc. I basically summarized all what he wrote in my edits. The user drove the highway from Yakutsk to Magadan a few weeks ago and that's why I considered his insights valuable. KCharles, if you think something should be added/ edited/ deleted, please Plunge forward! We would be happy to see your additions!
Unfortunately, I don't know the Kolyma highway. Would be great to do it one day, I'm just not sure if I'm brave enough:) I have tried, however, couchsurfing (I saw your intro on the user page) and I had great experience!
KCharles, we are looking forward to seeing your edits here! Share with us your travel experience. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:09, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

Touting[edit]

Hi, thank you for helping with the Can Tho article. As you can see in the history, I wrote most of the article and feel a bit bad that you accuse me of touting. I also helped to get rid of spamming on a number of Vietnam related articles. Your critic now is that I use first pronouns and that is why you revert to an older incorrect version and get rid of sights of interest - a Pagoda - I added? Why don't you help to improve the text? Please reply on my talk page. Mario Behling (talk) 21:31, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

Thank you Mario Behling for your prompt reply! Please have a look at my response.
We appreciate your help with reverting spam however we have certain guidance on Wikitravel, one of them saying not to use first person pronouns. See my message for more details. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 13:54, 10 September 2013 (EDT)

False Accusations on Barcelona talk page[edit]

Hi Alex, I hope summer is treating you well! A new user going by the name of Filby33 who has admitted to "trying to include [their] business as an option for travellers on this page but with no luck" has just made some pretty egregious false accusations about me being the owner of one of the Walking Tour listings, on the Barcelona talk page. I suspect this is the same user who has been spamming their www.barcelonawalkandsee.com walking tour on the Barcelona page under several now-blocked usernames including Barcelona and Blanca. I'm not sure what the protocol is for these kind of personal attacks and false accusations on WikiTravel, but I don't want to get involved with this user as they are clearly upset that all of their attempts to tout their business on WikiTravel have failed and they have chosen to take it out on me as a result simply because I was involved with the discussions about that section. I'm not even the one who started the discussions on Walking Tours and Bike Tours, I simply responded to the topics you had created and participated in them to the best of my abilities, and those discussions were open to all participants. I also didn't request to be put in charge of the Walking Tours (and Bike Tours) section, that's something you asked me to keep an eye on and which I was happy to do. So I'm not sure why this user is going after me. I think every single one of my edits and contributions to the Barcelona page (all of which are open for anyone to see) speak for themselves and I don't want a known and blocked spammer tarnishing my reputation or my contributions here. I don't like being put in this uncomfortable position where my reputation is put into question, so for the record, I want to state here unequivocally that I am not in any way, shape, or form affiliated with any walking tour (or any kind of tour or business listed anywhere on WT for that matter), nor do I have any other account on WT, and all my additions, edits, and recommendations on WikiTravel are my own personal opinions based on my own experiences as described. As you will recall, I've made a very significant and varied number of contributions to the entire Barcelona page that directly lead to it becoming the May Destination of the Month on WT, yet you don't see this user mentioning any of that in their diatribe against me. So I'm not sure why this user has a personal issue against me other than the fact that I was one of several users who did not allow them to spam their commercial listing, but I stand by every single one of my recommendations, edits, and discussions on WikiTravel, the Barcelona page, and the Walking Tours and Bike Tours section, all of which have been scrutinized by you and the community. Also, please note that when this user added their accusation to the Barcelona talk page, they removed almost the entire discussion you and I had regarding Bike tours, so you may wish to revert their edit to recover that entire discussion we had (although I wouldn't be surprised if this user also ends up accusing me of owning one of the Bike tour companies for having been involved in that discussion as well!). Could you please look into this serious matter and resolve it as soon as possible? I look forward to hearing from you and thanks in advance for your help! Cheers! P.S. I haven't forgotten about your request to add some pics from here, I've just been away on summer holidays! ;) BarcelonaExpert (talk) 16:37, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

BarcelonaExpert and Filby33, thank you for you messages. We can discuss the topic here. BarcelonaExpert, I am sorry for the accusations that you must have read on the Bacelona Talk page. I looked at your contributions and I truly appreciate all the edits you added, among others information about the city, tourist information offices and transportation. Those are the kind of edits we would like to see on Wikitravel. Information that benefits the traveler.
Filby33, please know that BarcelonaExpert helped us a lot with defining which tours we should leave. From the whole discussion with BarcelonaExpert I concluded that Joseph is not working for any tour company and is not trying to promote his business. I believed that his insights are true and have Wikitravel's best in mind. However, I would like you to know that your opinion matters here as well, even though you are not as much of a "trusted user" as BarcelonaExpert is. Having said that I am sure that BarcelonaExpert would have no objections if we remove Orange Donut Tours from Barcelona page. Tours and business offers are least valuable info that we would like present in our guides so I have no reservations doing it.
I hope that this would cool down the situation a bit. All the best to both of you! IBAlex (talk) 19:11, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
Alex, thank you for clarifying that you have concluded I do not work for any tour company and that I’m not trying to promote a business here. I don't object to you undoing any of my edits that you genuinely feel do not add value to travellers. In fact, as you know, with all the discussions we've had in the Talk page of the Barcelona page, I've always given you the final decision and let you take the edit action you felt was correct since you have a lot more experience than I have.
Having said all of that, I do strongly object to you undoing any of my edits solely because a "new" user, blocked spammer, and admitted business owner made false accusations about me. How can you on the one hand conclude I am "not working for any tour company" and am "not trying to promote [my] business" (thus agreeing with me that Filby33's accusations against me are false, which they are completely), and yet at the same time comply with this user’s implicit demands and completely undo my contribution that this user is referencing which you and the community had agreed was valid (together with the inclusion of Runner Bean Tours and 360 Running Tours)? In the discussions regarding the Walking Tours, you literally stated to me, "I agree with every word you wrote here! All the tour listings we have on Barcelona page now were carefully chosen.", and now this new user shows up with these accusations which you agree are false, and yet you suddenly completely change your mind and no longer believe one of my contributions benefits travellers? All because of the words of a completely new user? Is that all it takes now to have any of my contributions undone? Unfortunately, your actions are contradicting your words, and that now puts me in an even more uncomfortable situation of having to explain my past contributions since this user without a shred of credibility has obviously influenced you against one of my contributions. I am completely baffled -- after all the work we’ve done together -- how you could take any action as a result of the words of a completely new user, blocked spammer, and admitted business owner regarding the contributions (that you agreed with!) of a person who has improved the Barcelona page as much as I have for the past half year.
I also strongly object to you re-adding those false accusations against me to the Barcelona talk page, thus allowing my reputation here to continue to be tarnished, and inviting a person you now believe to be spreading false accusations about me to continue to “discuss” this matter here, as if they have any shred of credibility after everything they have done.
So, since I now feel forced to explain my past contributions, allow me to be absolutely clear for the record: Filby33’s is (falsely) accusing me of being a “she” and of being the owner of Orange Donut tour. I added that listing on 7 March 2013 as part of a very large edit that also saw my inclusion of the 'Cavalcada de Reis' festival. So am I now going to also be accused of running that festival by the organizers of a competing festival, and will that edit also be undone? This was not my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, or even 6th edit, it was my 7th edit as I was new to WikiTravel and was adding as much valuable information as I could the day I joined, excited with the prospects of contributing valuable information to an international guide about my beautiful city for visitors from all over the world to read. I added this Orange Donut tour because I had personally taken the tour and personally found it valuable, for the reasons I later stated here, where I specifically mentioned
"With regards to the Walking Tours, although I am a native of Barcelona, I was curious enough about these "tours" to go on a few of them (they're free after all) to see if they really do add any value to this beautiful city of mine or are just a "tourist trap" with superficial information you can get from any guide book. To my surprise, the Walking Tours I took that were listed in this article were quite substantive, specialized, detailed, and professional, and I actually learned quite a bit that I did not know about before. So I would imagine that if I -- as a native -- learned quite a bit on these tours, it would be incredibly difficult for a tourist or visitor to "fulfil the substance of the tour on their own". The main reason for this, I feel, is due to the specialization of the tours (at least the ones I took). These weren't generic tours about Barcelona in general, these were highly-focused tours about specific areas / history of Barcelona. For example, I took Runner Bean Tour's tour specifically about Gaudí's architecture, and although almost every Barcelona native knows the basics about Gaudí, I learned quite a bit of historical context surrounding his architecture and motivations as we visited each of his major accomplishments around the city. I also took Orange Donut Tour's tour of the historic Gothic Quarter of Barcelona, and felt like I was taking a fun history class and was pleasantly surprised to learn about legends tied to some of Barcelona's oldest buildings that I had never heard of before even though I've walked past them literally hundreds of times (to be sure the tour wasn't making this up, I actually researched the legends after the tour and they were all true). If I had never heard of those legends and historical anecdotes after decades of living in Barcelona and learning its history in school, then I don't see how a visitor would be able to do or learn that on their own from just walking around the Gothic Quarter as they would get lost before they even had a chance to consider what they were looking at, let alone legends, anecdotes, and historical events that aren't written anywhere on the streets or in any guide book I have seen. Last but not least, I also took the Picasso tour offered by Discover Walks, and was also surprised at the level of specific details and historical context regarding Picasso and his roots in the city that I never knew about before despite Picasso's status as a world-renowned and famous 20th century artist. So as you can imagine, the sheer amount of specific details these tours offer would fill pages and pages of information if it were all to be listed on WikiTravel, so I think they certainly supplement this article quite well (as they should if they are to be listed). In other words, these aren't generic sight-seeing tours, they actually add value beyond what any guide book or map can provide, and I've even recommended them to some of my local friends here as a fun way to learn things they've never known about the city they've been living in for so many years."
I had taken the tours before I joined WikiTravel as an editor. It was during the time that I took the Runner Bean Tours and the Discover Walks tours -- which I had learned about on WikiTravel (again, before becoming an editor) -- that I also learned about and took the Orange Donut walking tour. When I became an editor on the Barcelona page, I already knew Runner Bean Tours and Discover Walks were listed there as that's where I had learned about them, but the Orange Donut tour was not, so I simply added it since I had found it valuable like I did both the Discover Walks and Runner Bean Tours.
In that same discussion we had about Walking Tours that you had initiated, I came up with 4 specific criteria (on top of the WikiTravel criteria) to determine which Tours to keep and which to remove:
So, based on my experience, I would be even more strict than the WikiTravel criteria and the "litmus test" I would recommend to help determine which tours to keep and which to remove are the ones that not only meet the WikiTravel criteria you linked to, but that also meet all of the following additional criteria:
1) They offer a tour specializing in a specific area of Barcelona, not a general tour that just takes you around the city for some generic sight-seeing.
2) They are independent and not a European-wide organization, so you know they are run by locals and specialize only in Barcelona.
3) They actually have a listing with positive reviews on TripAdvisor to ensure they are established and not a fly-by-night tour.
4) They focus only on providing tours, with no other side-businesses, so you know the tours aren't just being used to upsell other services.
The only tours that happened to meet that very strict criteria were 3: Runner Bean Tours, 360 Running Barcelona, and the Orange Donut tour in question. So am I now going to also be accused of owning Runner Bean Tours and 360 Running Barcelona as well for recommending that they stay listed due to meeting the criteria above, and will they also be removed?
Moreover, I used that same criteria upon your request to figure out which Bike tours to keep, and I recommended 6: "Biking in Barcelona", "Bornbike Rental & Tours", "Budget Bikes", "Deviant Bikes", "e-bikerent", and "Terra Diversions". Am I now going to also be accused of owning and running all 6 of those Bike tour companies, and will they all be removed as well?
Furthermore, on the SAME DAY I added the Orange Donut tour to the article, I also:
1) added Pompeu Fabra University to the "Learn" section, so am I now going to also be accused of working for Pompeu Fabra University (to attract international students) by some Professor at a competing University not listed on WikiTravel, and will that edit also be undone?
2) added the Telefèric de Montjuïc Cable Car to the "Exotic transport" section, so am I now going to also be accused of working for that Cable Car company by the disgruntled owners of the competing Funicular de Montjuic, and will that edit also be undone?
3) added the 'Cavalcada de Reis' festival to the "Festivals and events" section, so am I now going to also be accused of working for that festival by the organizers of a competing festival, and will that edit also be undone?
4) added a link to the homepage of the Port of Barcelona to the "By sea" section, so am I now going to also be accused of working for the Port by the owners of the competing Barcelona El Prat airport, and will that edit also be undone?
5) added 7 Tourist Offices in the "Visitor information" section, so am I now going to also be accused of working for the Tourist Office (to promote my city) by some official of the Tourist Office in Madrid, and will that edit also be undone?
Do you see where I'm going with this and why your knee-jerk and unilateral actions have me so concerned? Does this mean that next time a known and blocked spammer and admitted business owner accuses me of having nefarious intentions with any of my edits, you're going to immediately undo them as well, no-questions-asked like you did this one? In choosing to side with an anonymous and blocked spammer, you have diminished my standing and undid my contributions for the wrong reasons, thus undermining my credibility with the community. That’s what I find so troubling and upsetting, particularly after all the hard work I've put into the article. Had you told me you had analyzed any of my contributions and personally found them not to be helpful for the traveller and then undid my edits, I would have been perfectly fine with it and completely respected your decision. But to do it simply because an angry blocked spammer and business owner made false accusations about me is unacceptable to me because it means any of my edits can be held hostage by anyone at any time for any false reasons they invent and you will just go right ahead and immediately undo my contributions without asking any questions. Therefore, what's the point of me contributing to WikiTravel anymore if that’s all it takes to have any of my contributions undone?
Furthermore, the fact that you would actually give a platform here and invite a blocked spammer to continue to make these false accusations about me without any evidence other than a single edit half a year ago that I made when I was new to WT and was adding A LOT of information across-the-board, and an edit which I subsequently explained the reasoning for openly in the article talk page and which you agreed with, is just completely unacceptable to me. I can't imagine anyone in my position being OK with what just happened. For all I know, this user Filby33 has a personal quarrel with the owner of this Orange Donut tour and is using my name in vain to enact revenge on the actual business owner by getting their tour delisted from WT, at the expense of my reputation and credibility on the site, which you invited them to continue expressing.
So, in conclusion, I personally couldn't care less if you add, remove, edit, shame, or even scorn the Orange Donut tour or any of my many, many other additions to the Barcelone page. Just do it for the right reasons, not because an anonymous spammer on the internet made up a convoluted conspiracy theory without any real evidence whatsoever just because they're upset that they couldn't spam their business on WikiTravel. In other words, please don't take action against any of my edits because you feel the need to "cool down" a disgruntled business owner and blocked spammer, do it because you genuinely feel my contributions do not add value to the traveller. In this case, however, I find it very difficult to believe that you've suddenly changed your mind 180 degrees from previously agreeing with this contribution to no longer finding it valuable to travellers, and I can only fathom that you are undoing a contribution of mine solely to appease a blocked spammer who has never contributed anything to WikiTravel other than obvious attempts to tout their own business. How in the world is that supposed to make me feel like a valued member of this community?
To be further clear beyond any shadow of a doubt, my problem isn't with the subject of your removal (e.g. the Orange Donut tour), but with the reasons for your removal of one of my contributions. As far as I'm concerned, it could have been any of my contributions, such as the addition of the Pompeu Fabra University I added on the same day, which if you would have suddenly removed it without consulting me or the community solely because a known Professor from a competing University was accusing me here of running that University, I would have reacted in this exact same way. I would imagine anyone else in my position would have as well. Imagine if I did that to you! So how am I supposed to continue contributing here when you have such little regard for my contributions that you are willing to undo any of them just like that?
Alex, you once told me my contributions to the Barcelona article were one of the main reasons it had won Destination of the Month in May of this year and that you were "so happy to have [me] here". Well, you've just undone all of that by allowing a “new” user, blocked spammer, and admitted business owner to influence and manipulate you in this way and then give them a platform here to continue to make false and libelous statements about me and ruin a reputation I have worked very hard to grow and maintain with this great community. To say I am deeply disappointed is a huge understatement.
How in the world am I supposed to continue to contribute to WikiTravel with this newfound fear of not knowing which past, present, or future edit of mine will be held hostage by a disgruntled business owner who is unhappy that they are unable to spam their site on WikiTravel? This is a very sad day for me and my involvement in WikiTravel. -Josep. BarcelonaExpert (talk) 23:08, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
Josep, thank you for voicing your feelings here. I'm sorry to hear that such a trivial case made you so upset. Please know that your contributions to Barcelona page are very much appreciated and nobody is going to remove them. Nowhere in this conversation have I accused you of being a tour owner. I'm also not "siding with the spammer" but simply listening to everybody in this community. This is normal that issues like that arise when you work in online communities that aim to reach a consensus. That's why choosing to remove the Donut Tour listing from the Barcelona page was simply the best solution here.
Instead of getting upset, I suggest letting it go and cooling off. I'm going to repeat it again- you made great contributions to Barcelona page and that was the reason I chose Barcelona as May DOM. Thank you!
Since there is no need to hold grudges, I strongly encourage you to keep on contributing to Barcelona page. All in all, you're the Expert.
Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:13, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
Alex, the fact that you would call what happened here "trivial" tells me you did not understand my concerns at all. The removal of the Donut tour listing itself is trivial. Your reasons for doing it, however, are not! You claim a "consensus" was reached, when there was no such thing, so I don't understand why you are making that up. In fact, the exact opposite is true. A consensus had already been reached just 4 months ago by you, W. Frank, and myself to determine which tours to leave and which to remove, yet now you come along and single-handedly change all of that as a result of a single user with no credibility whatsoever making false accusations. Due to these obvious discrepancies, please answer the following:
1) Since when is a false accusation from a SINGLE "new" user / blocked spammer / admitted business owner a "consensus"?
2) Why did you say 3 months ago "Thank you BarcelonaExpert for taking time to explain the decision that was made by the community. I agree with every word you wrote here! All the tour listings we have on Barcelona page now were carefully chosen." and then suddenly completely change your mind after an admitted business owner made accusations you AGREED were false?
3) Why did you undo the consensus reached by you, W. Frank, and myself so QUICKLY (within just a few hours!) solely based on the false accusations of a single known spammer and admitted business owner?
Please answer all 3 questions above as I'm still trying to wrap my head around why you did what you did and sided with a business owner so quickly (a business owner, I might add, who you've never heard back from after they made their false accusation and who never added anything of value to WT!)? Did I do something to you or to anyone else here that caused you to spite me? If this is about the new pics of Barcelona you had requested from me, I already mentioned to you that I was away on summer holidays and haven't had time yet to do them but that I would get to them as soon as possible. But I need to fully understand your reasoning for doing what you so brazenly did because I simply cannot continue participating here if you -- as an Admin -- will take false accusations from a single spammer, call it a "consensus", and then use it as justification to start undoing any of my edits. BarcelonaExpert (talk) 05:58, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
Joseph, as I stated above tours and business offerings are least valuable info that we would like present in our guides. Our guides should be "self sufficient" and present information about how to get to a destination, what to see, where to eat/ sleep, etc. That's why removing Donut Tours should not be a problem. There is no need to get so defensive about it. It's better to devote our time to constructive edits.
Again, none of your edits is being questioned here. We appreciate your help! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
Except that you didn't undo an edit of mine for those reasons, you undid my edits simply because a business owner and known spammer made false accusations against me. Had you undone my edit for the reason you just mentioned above, then you would have removed ALL tour listings in the article. But you only removed the one I contributed, and only after a false accusation was made against me. So you didn't do it for the reason you just stated above. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why you did it. You did it simply because a business owner and known spammer made false accusations against me. That's the ONLY thing that changed between the time when you first agreed with my edits a few months ago and then suddenly undid them now just a few months later. I cannot make my concerns any clearer, yet you refuse to actually understand or address them, preferring instead to keep repeating the same boilerplate response about tour listing and making this about the Orange tours that I couldn't care less about other than the fact that they were one of my many contributions and the specific one you chose to undo for no valid reason. Therefore, I will need to request that another Admin get involved in this matter as the sudden change in your behavior and highly suspicious timing and lack of logical reasoning for undoing my edits makes it next to impossible to collaborate with you in the future. The lack of respect you have shown for the time I have volunteered here -- by undoing my hard work as a result of false accusations and without any logical reasoning -- is completely unacceptable to me. And instead of admitting you made a mistake in "changing" your mind about the tours so quickly and reacting so impulsively to a false accusation and without consulting the community to obtain a consensus, you continue to justify your rash actions with reasons that -- frankly -- don't make any sense within the context of the long discussions we've had on the Barcelona page. Hence why I need to bring in another Admin to review my edit history, our discussions on the Barcelona talk page, the false accusation made against me, your immediate reaction to it, this discussion here, and your strange behavior since the accusations were made against me. A behavior that is becoming more and more bizarre with every new response from you, with you now calling me Joseph instead of Josep, which you already know is my Catalan name. BarcelonaExpert (talk) 06:06, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
Alex, I see that you have now proceeded to also remove my recommendations of "Runner Bean Tours" and "360 Running Barcelona" from the Barcelona page that I had based on the list of strict criteria I had spent hours working on as per your request, thereby single-handedly completely undoing the entire consensus we reached on the Barcelona Talk page (and which you completely agreed with in May) regarding the tours. Heck, you yourself had even recommended in the Barcelona talk page that "360 Running Barcelona" be listed and yet now you remove it just because I had also recommended it be listed due to it meeting the strict criteria we had discussed. This has gotten ridiculous. I am now convinced you are not the same person I was speaking with here just 5 months ago and that I am either being trolled or someone has hijacked the IBAlex account. No stable person has such a sudden, single-handed, and drastic change in personality and opinions in less than half a year. Since you (or whomever is controlling your account) have started undoing all my edits and recommendations that you had specifically requested and even commended me for, feel free to go through my entire edit history and just remove all my contributions (starting with the Bike tours). I will not stand for being trolled and disrespected in this way, where my assistance is requested, provided, accepted, and agreed with only to be suddenly and completely denied and undone with no justification or consensus just 5 months later by the "same" person. Good luck keeping valuable, knowledgeable, and intelligent contributors and volunteers here with that kind of bipolar, dictatorial, and contradicting attitude. BarcelonaExpert (talk) 10:49, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

Kamalbe Spanish School Edits[edit]

Hi Alex,

Sorry about the touting didn't really know what I could and couldn't put on. When you undid the edits though you reverted the link to the listing of our school back to a broken link. I just want to fix that link. It's this one:

Kamalbe Spanish school and cultural learning centre [23] (Broken & Incorrect Link) tel(502)54888 317

We have erased the link from the second listing and put it with the first description of our school. I hope this is okay. Thanks!

David

Yes, David, everything looks fine now! If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:14, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Spam[edit]

Hi Alex, Trying to get back involved again :) I used to be a fairly regular patroller and flagger of spam (was nearly nominated for the Admin team) but then changes in work meant I had less time to pop on. About to have a big change in work/life soon though so hoping to have some more time to get back on here. Nrms (talk) 05:25, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

Nrms, great to hear that! Welcome back! Would be great if you could help us here on Wikitravel! The site "attracts" many spammers currently because of the overall high traffic we get (350K visits daily!). If you would like to become an admin in the future, I would be very happy to give you the privileges. Let me know if you are interested. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:45, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

EcuadorSchedules.com[edit]

Hi,You undid the additions/changes I made today, adding links to our site, EcuadorSchedules.com, citing the rule against secondary sources. However, since we are the original and only site that publishes the complete bus schedules of Ecuador, covering more than 200 bus companies and cooperatives, we actually are the primary source of this information. (The bus companies update their information directly with us, and most of them don't publish this information themselves or anywhere else -- nor does the government, any tourist board, etc.)

Moreover, the information is completely free, and really indispensable for travelers. When talking about catching buses in Ecuador, to any of the cities for which there are listings on WikiTravel, it's misleading and a disservice to the readers to not mention that the bus schedules are, in fact, available(and where).

I hope you'll reconsider the mention or linking of this primary resource for Ecuador travellers.

Thanks, Keith Parisella, Editor and Publisher EcuadorSchedules.com keith@viajerocontento.com

Hey Keith! Thank you for reaching out to me and asking about your edits. We appreciate that! Wikitravel accepts links from official tourist offices and government websites, or official websites of business establishments. Our goal is to keep External links to a bare minimum. Adding your website's URL to multiple destinations in Ecuador would breach our policies, sorry. I hope you understand that. We wish you all the best! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

Matching vs different region names in raster image and text[edit]

Hello. I have a star now :D . But still have some questions. Was going to edit some basic aspects on LT page, specifically Regions. I now have investigated the “page history” and see and know what was added by whom and why. The point is that one of the regions is Suvalkija (Suwalszczyzna) and the template was added in 2010 where it is named as Sudovia. I was going to replace Sudovia with Suvalkija but the template is a raster image, I’m not going (and don’t want) to modify it. So if I modify the text, the image won’t match it. So it’s not good. I also see that initially it was a text “Sūduva or Suvalkija - southern and south-western region” added by some employee of official Lithuanian travel site in 7 August 2007‎. The order of the names (Sūduva vs Suvalkija) in this case does not bear any meaning, I suspect that later it was simply maintained as the editors didn’t know the difference and actually it was not relevant. First, on Wikipedia LT the name is Suvalkija, and the raster image has no names. Same about EN article. Second, to put it short, it still is a same region of Suwalszczyzna, its norther half (LT) and southern half (PL), and especially now when border is almost nonexistent it actually “works” as same historical region. And all international travelers who are traveling, say, from Berlin to Helsinki, must pass this narrow “neck” of Schengen zone in any case and by any means of transport, and they do that as if it was an empty space. I sometimes come across some questions, something like “could anybody tell is there something to see somewhere near Kalvarija or Suwalki as it would be convenient to stay for a night, blah-blah-blah, but I only find that Suwalki is industrial town and there is nothing around, huh?” If they knew everything in advance, they could plan their trip in more detail and that long way between Vilnius and Warszawa would not be the waste of time. I suspect that ALL English language guides ignore this region as none of native English-speakers have a clue about it. WT can be a precedent. Others later will start to use it as a source :D . But it would be reasonable that one could see that this is a 1 region divided between 2 countries, I mean, it would be more comprehensible for average readers. It’s annoyingly long distance from 1 capital to another and if there was certain info about existence of “at least something” in between it would be useful for many. Now if you check what to do in Podlachia or in Sūduva – there is nothing. Empty space. I maybe will add later some basics on Sudovia, but how about the possibility to change the name to Suvalkija? I already added the hint on LT page that there are routes from LT to PL (offered by tourism office in LT), similarly Podlachia page can be expanded (among other things) by adding some hints, say, like on this Polish site (very nice in my opinion), or some very basics like here. At least better than nothing. But first I want to clarify what to do with Suvalkija vs Sūdovia, can I switch them in the text? Then existing internal links may not work. --Local (talk) 08:03, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

Yes, you surely deserved to be given a barnstar! Thank you for your message. The topic is very familiar with me as I'm Polish (Did you know?). Please help me understand the issue better. I see that Wikipedia calls this region either Suvalkija or Sudovia [14]. Why should we then change Sudovia to Suvalkija? Do you maybe have an official governmental website that says what's the official name? That would be helpful.
Suvalkija (or in Polish Suwalszczyzna) is a beautiful region, full of lakes and forests. We call it in Poland " The lungs of Poland" because it's so green:)
Looking forward to your response. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
Well, where are you from you tell in your user page, should it be a secret? :D . About the name: Wikipedia (both EN and LT) calls it Suvalkija (in the title) and provides also other names. "Suvalkija or Sūduva" in the beginning is mentioned because both names are used as synonyms in various sources (i.e. one can come across the one name in one sentence and another name in another sentence, especially if the text is a literal translation or just written by the lithuanian). The only reason why people don't like the name Suvalkija is because it is a product of Russian Empire, i.e. it is Suwałki Governorate. I too like more the name Sūdovia, but never used it in my life, everybody say Suvalkija, therefor there is a certain attempt to change it (because people don't use it and because it is a work of Russian Empire). But the name Sūduva is misleading, like Wikipedia says, "the term Sudovia is ambiguous as it is also used to refer to the ancient Sudovian-inhabited areas, which stretched much further south". Well, Wikipedia has certain rules, i.e. not to reflect certain point of view, provide written sources (what if they are written on the paper only?) and so on, it somehow in this case describes the confusion and maintains it at the same time :) . So, the name Sudovia was not so wrong during the years of Russian Empire, Sudovians lived in its southern part, Poles could rightfully call it Sudovia, just there is no reason for them: Sudovians were the Balts like Lithuanians; for Lithuanians it's sort of expression of solidarity with a tribe which once was ally against crusaders, just that. All inhabitants of lithuanian half of Suvalkija actually were either Nadruvians (pure Prussians) or Nadruvians who assimilated with lithuanians or just new-comers from Lithuania. So this name is romantic but has nothing to do with reality. When modern suvalkians like to identify themselves with Sudovians, it is something like they are willing to associate themselves with the tribe which is respected by them, and disassociate from the heritage of Russian Empire. But this area also was under the rule of Kingdom of Prussia (the name Užnemunė comes from this time), which actually also made significant impact which can be observed even today, same about the period of Suwałki Governorate. The railway network was built during that time, it made a serious impact on the development of this particular region, towns that previously were practically unknown became rather significant points with the railway stations. One can dislike, but Suwałki Governorate, as an actual region, exists, while Sudovians ceased to exist centuries ago. Suwalki town itself, for example, became industrial town only during the time of Russian Empire. Well, same would happened under the rule of anybody (Germans, for example), industrialization was an attribute of that time. What i want to say is that those "other names" are internal peculiarities of Lithuania, i think that regular travelers from abroad neither need to know all that stuff, nor they are able to digest it, nor it is interesting to them. Nor relevant :) . For those who want to know details, the Wikipedia is quite sufficient. Actually, to some extent Sudovia would be similar thing as, say, Iowa in the US: are the residents of Iowa indians? They saw indians only in the movies, however they live in Iowa :) . This is not an identical situation, but somehow similar, at least americans have only the one name for this state :) .
So, now i don't know how about the "official governmental website that says what's the official name", to me Wikipedia article looks sufficient, it provides the link to this source which also is sufficient to me, it won't change people's preferences anyway :) Nothing can change it :D . Practically, the only difference now between too halves is a different currency which is the reason why lithuanians periodically invade Polish half annoying locals to some extend, but increasing profits of traders :D. Well, i think we should focus on nature and historical objects here, and concerning the name (the change of it) you tell me the decision. I myself do not need neither one nor another one, nor am i a suvalkian. My idea is to sort out the mess at least here, there is plenty left in other LT related articles :D . Somehow english sources does not make difference between relevant info, irrelevant info, jokes and impressions of strangers from the outside (i'm talking about LT only). So thats all so far. Thanks for your help :) --Local (talk) 03:47, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
Thanks for all the details! I appreciate your input! It makes all sense what you are saying. I also did some research simply by checking how many search results Suvalkija and Sudovia have and it turns out that Suvalkija has 3 times more searches. It just shows that the term is more popular and more established. So what we should do now is change the article name and upload a new version of the map. With changing the article name there is no problem however the map might be more difficult. I looked for an alternative map that says Suvalkija and NOT Sudovia on Wikimedia Commons but no success. In this case I recommend reading Wikitravel Mapmaking Expedition and probably drawing a map. Do you think this is something you could do? Looking forward to your answer. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:21, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
Well, i edited but failed to make an "edited copy on the same page", somehow it's too difficult for me to digest that. The instruction tells "You can still manually download content and then reupload content after editing with an external program", but whether "reupload" means same as "overwrite" or does it means to "upload with a different name"... one should know english properly, so not my case. In any case i failed to "overwrite" and uploaded with the different name - here. Edited some other things too: removed totally irrelevant Chernyakhovsk and added Sovetsk instead, also added railway via Suwalki, and added Suwalki itself, also added Grodno as it also is relevant. Also added missing national park of Curonian Spit and 2 missing centres of 2 regions: Marijampolė for Suvalkija and Telšiai for Žemaitija; added Šilutė for Lithuania Minor as it operates as a centre of this region, although the actual centre is Klaipėda of course. Centres of other regions were added previously. --Local (talk) 06:26, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
And what next? --Local (talk) 09:29, 28 September 2013 (EDT)
Hey! I used the map you uploaded and I added it to Lithuania article. Please have a look. I had to upload it as a separate file because I couldn't upload a new version of this file. I believe that the reason was that the files have different extensions- "PNG" and "SVG". I hope that now everything looks fine:) Let me know if there is anything else I can help with. All the best, IBAlex (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
I now see what i didn't notice previously: that file on the article before the edit was in png format and it was cropped, while svfg file is larger and, as far as i understood, can't be neither cropped nor modified in some other way (i mean its size and shape), and the svg one has margins that are supposed to be cropped. I have both svg and png on my computer and can upload the cropped png file. I see i can remove some minor inaccuracies that are still left, and then upload the final version of the png file. My question is - is it ok to upload as a regular image (map in particular) to Wikitravel Shared and then to add it to the article? Or the procedure should be somewhat different? In any case i can upload the edited PNG file to Wikitravel Shared and you then can verify it and add to the article, is it OK? I just don't like those "transitional" files in my list of uploads, it's sort of rubbish, could they be deleted after all, or something? --Local (talk) 03:45, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
So I have edited svg file already and also exported it as png file and then cropped it, and have both on my computer. Some inaccuracies that i edited now: Trakai NHP location was wrong, Kernavė was in a wrong region, added missing and relevant railway to Minsk (but left all railways added by previous editor, he added also all inoperative railways, but that's OK, they physically exist) and also added Vištytis RP (i have described it in the article) which represents most valuable environment of Suvalkija, so now every region has some NP or RR which represents it, every region has its centre in addition to the largest city of the region (like Klaipėda which is a 3rd city and therefore is too international to represent the region), so that's why i've added Utena in Aukštaitija region, while Panevėžys was added by previous editor. If that's OK i can upload both files (svg and png). Just how about the procedure itself? --Local (talk) 06:34, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
Local, sure, please add the files and send me the link so I can have a look at them. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2013 (EDT)
Here is SVG file for editing, and here is PNG file for upload. Added to the article. If possible, this map and this one should be deleted. So if all is OK can i just edit the name (Sūduva vs Suvalkija) in the text, isn't there some unknown difficulties/restrictions or something? --Local (talk) 05:50, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
Great job! Thank you! I just deleted the 2 files that you mentioned. Now of course, feel free to edit the article accordingly. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 13:40, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
Failed :( . If i change Sūduva to Suvalkija, it turns red as if it was a link to non-existing page, at the same time when i want to edit Sūduva page i can edit only the text but don't see how to change the title. I feel free - but how to edit the title?? --Local (talk) 17:20, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
Ok, done! I moved the Sūduva page to Suvalkija and I changed the title regions section] on Lithuania page. I hope that right now everything is perfect:) Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 18:23, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
Thanks. Good :)
You previously was asking about some official governmental website that says what's the official name of the region - here is a website of Lith parliament, the page that describes the Suvalkija region. You can see what form of the name is used. I added it as external link to the name of Suvalkija on Suvalkija article, in the very beginning (and added some basics). It would be better if there was some separate website dedicated to it, but there is no such thing. I think that this external link could be useful also in case somebody decide to start a discussion as for "why", "where are the evidentiary material", etc. But if it's not suitable for WT you can remove it. --Local (talk) 16:52, 10 October 2013 (EDT)
Great! Thanks for the link and for keeping things reliable on Wikitravel! We appreciate that! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:57, 10 October 2013 (EDT)

Good morning[edit]

Good morning IBAlex,

Please do something to the Captcha feature (if possible, change or upgrade the software), because there are recent mass-created spambot accounts and pages kept appearing in the past few days and the creation of such spambot accounts and pages does not totally stop.

It is believed that the spambot accounts and pages are created by the same IP address / person.

This is to keep Wikitravel in maintaining a spambot-free environment. —The preceding comment was added by Timothyhouse1 (talkcontribs)

Hello Timothyhouse1! Thank you for leaving me this message. Yes, I realized that we've been getting many spam recently. We're looking now at different prevention methods: blocking proxies, installing additional extensions and improving abuse filters. Hopefully this will help. As for now, me and other admins try to clean the spam as soon as possible. Our goal is to keep Wikitravel spambot-free as well. Thanks again for bringing this topic up. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:37, 30 September 2013 (EDT)

listings in tour companies[edit]

then how to i add listings in tour companies can you please suggest me —The preceding comment was added by Odysseytravels (talkcontribs)

Hello Odysseytravels! Thank you for your question. I looked at your contributions and I can explain you why your edits were reverted. First of all, we do not add Listings to our policy pages. Policy pages provide guidance how to edit Wikitravel. Listings should be added to actual city articles about destinations. Second of all, your listing was very promotional and the content was actually copied from your website which breaches our policies. This was all outlined on your Talk Page by one of our admins. Lastly, your listings doesn't comply with our External links policies. We don't add listings for tour operators that offer air tickets, hotel reservations, car rental, passport and visa services, incentives and conferences. Please know that Wikitravel is a guide written by Travelers for the Travelers and should not be used for promotional purposes. I hope that this explains the "spirit" of this travel guide. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2013 (EDT)

Lol[edit]

Hi there. I am Посланник Импиратара

Hey! Why all those nonconstructive contributions on Russian Wikitravel? IBAlex (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
Well, I'm a vandal) But I do not want to continue vandalism, I calmed down. Lololol okay (talk) 17:50, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
Sorry, I will have to block you temporarily here as the risk is too high for me. Please take this time to read though our goals and policies here. IBAlex (talk) 18:01, 15 October 2013 (EDT)


Conceptual question about the content of paragraphs[edit]

Hello again. I have a rather abstract question regarding the content of some sections of the city articles, say the section "Get out".

I'll give a concrete example to illustrate it: was reading about Vilnius and noticed several places listed at the end (in "Get out" section). If we extrapolate that to, say, US capital Washington, D.C. those places would be NYC, Chicago, LA, Las Vegas, Mesa Verde, Grand Canyon. Of course, one CAN get out from Washington to all of those places, and even further, say to Warsaw or Vilnius, but is it sane to list them?

And when i read about Washington i see that one can "get out" to (specifically) Northern Virginia, Baltimore and some obscure places in Maryland; even NYC is not mentioned which is perfectly sane in my opinion. And when i read about Vilnius or any other lith town (even a crappiest one), the section "get in" always is talking about the airports (non-existing in some 50-100 km radius) and how one should "get in" into some crappy village from, say, London or Frankfurt, as if it was the article about the "Europe's inaccessible holes" and not an article about a concrete place in a concrete country, which is supposed to reach first (as such) and only then one is supposed to "get out" somewhere else. Similarly about "get out" section: as if the article about Santa Barbara should list info that you are able to "get out" to Hong Kong, Tokyo, NYC and Mexico city, as if it makes some sense. Or maybe it does make, maybe my understanding of a concept is wrong?

First, the Vilnius article is a "Usable" one. So i'm afraid to spoil something. Second, i have a habit to respect the effort of others, eg most of Vilnius "Get out" info was added by this user, who btw was editing Washington DC article too. Other users (and admins too) were improving the spelling, syntax, formatting and so on, and now i'm going to delete it to hell and to add some unheard and unpronounceable names of places even not marked on a globe, even on a map of Baltics, and even on any map included to any english language guide on LT. The only ones who aware about them are residents of eastern LT (because they are popular destinations), but why some brits in Britain should care about such things? So i'm pretty sure, that someone simply listed names that can be found everywhere, including any english-language guidebook or article, and simply completed the empty space. And it's "usable", of course, any info is usable, it only depends on how the user is able to use it :D . So my abstract question, in short, is whether i can disrespect and ignore the effort of native english speakers and add some more adequate list of places (and probably some descriptions as for "how" and "why") which, however, probably won't be in good english, and this is a serious weakness in my opinion. I like clean and fluent language (any language), so some "others" would be supposed to improve it, but i suspect it won't happen. My few attempts to ask others to do that failed, finally it ended up in twisting the meaning of the text which i'll have to sort out again, and again the language will remain crappy. Is it worth the effort? --Local (talk) 12:18, 1 November 2013 (EDT)

Local, please know that section "Get out" is not opposite to section "Get In". It is not intended to be a section about how to find the best transport out of town. Here we provide the information about nearby destination, neighbouring cities or day-trip ideas. Therefore it seems to me that many Get Out sections of cities in Lithuania should be rewritten. We cannot provide too far reaching destinations in section Get Out. What I noticed from my experience is that those are usually locations within 100km (of course there are exceptions to that). I think that Get out section in Washington D.C. article meets these criteria.
It would be great if you can work on the Get Out section for Lithuania cities. I suggest first starting a discussion about it on the respective article pages instead of deleting the info it to hell and leaving it with some places even not marked on a globe as this would definitely not benefit the traveler.
Also, where possible, please use the English names of the cities as this Wikitravel is read by thousands of people from around the world.
I hope this helps. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:17, 5 November 2013 (EST)
Yes, thanks, it helps, you confirmed my suspicions. Nearby destinations, that's what i was thinking.
As for unheard names i slightly exaggerated, everything can be found on any proper map and any guide of lithuanian origin; however not on, say, british "inyourpocket" (though there now occur exceptions too: more and more unknown names are included). May i include eg in Vilnius "Get Out" section a destination called Molėtai Lakeland (lithuanian name is even unnecessary in this case), it is a recreation area around Molėtai town, full of so called homesteads, popular for wild camping near lakes, canoeing etc, easily reachable by car, in other words it's like some sort of Mikołajki in Poland, just smaller. I'm asking because neither Molėtai town nor the area does not have internal link (and the articles respectively), and probably does not need to. Molėtai itself is not of interest. For the area one have to get a map with those lakes (around 200 total) and roads, and for the homesteads (to stay, to eat, to rent a boat) one have to get a list of them in order to choose from.
So, in essence, a separate page is not very relevant, just one should be pointed to the right direction. And Molėtai lakeland is a right direction, but it is not an official region or something, it's rather a nickname. The external link i provided is dedicated specifically to it and created by Molėtai municipality department. It opens in LT language, there is an EN button, after clicking it there is menu at the top, one of the links is "tourism". I think it's sufficient. So what if i delete 5 destinations out of 8 (all 5 are further than 100 km, mostly 300-400 km away from Vilnius and they all have their separate pages on WT) and add some other 5 (+/-), one of them would be Molėtai Lakeland? And they all will have external links, is it OK? I mean, i won't delete everything, and i won't start discussion, as there actually no what to discuss about, there are several places that everybody knows, and those who don't know they can't tell anything meaningful. Deleted names won't disappear, they are just the main cities and resorts by the sea, they are appropriately linked and have separate pages on WT. I just want to get your confirmation that this is not against the rules, and, maybe, some important notes or something.
Of course i try to use english names (or provide translations if they can be useful) and try to spell LT names correctly, as sometimes simplified versions turns into another name or word, it may be difficult for someone who will try to search for more info using such simplified name as a key word. So i'd want to avoid discussions as for what to delete or leave :) . Any lithuanian will tell "go on, there is nothing to discuss about", any aware foreigner wouldn't argue, and i actually know why those remote destinations were added: some can argue, "come on, LT is so small, what's difference 30 or 300 km, it only depends on speed..". But you have explained, there is a difference, and i totally agree with you :) . If we put my previous expressions aside, may i edit this way without starting a discussion ? :) I predict that such discussion wouldn't be meaningful nor efficient and would last for decades... If it was Italy or Spain, then maybe it would make sense, but now...
I actually could change the lists of "Get out" in all LT articles very quickly, there is nothing special, except that most places would have external links (or no links); descriptions would be left for later. --Local (talk) 17:33, 8 November 2013 (EST)

Ideas for improving Wikitravel[edit]

Chat? It seems like you're an active admin and staffer here. I have a few ideas for improving the user experience and community at this site. What's the best way to have a conversation with you about that? Koavf (talk) 02:08, 3 November 2013 (EST)

Hi Koavf! Thank you for your message and for your great contributions to Wikitravel! I'm very happy to have you here. Yes, I'm an active admin who tries to help other Wikitravelers and help this site grow. I would love to hear your ideas on how we can improve Wikitravel. As you mentioned in one of your previous messages, Wikitravel is one of the highest ranked wikis in Alexa and we have thousands of readers. My goal is to make Wikitravel a better site for all our users.
You can write me an email at awocial (at) internetbrands.com so that we can talk more about Wikitravel. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:09, 4 November 2013 (EST)
It would be a good way for users to share their travel experiences, instead of writing pages of articles or in the first person.--187.62.66.79 19:07, 19 November 2013 (EST) (Livroturistico)
Alô Livroturistico! Nice to get a message from you! How are you doing?
Users are encouraged to share their travel knowledge but should avoid making it too personal and should not use first person pronouns (ex "I"). The reason for that is that Wikitravel articles have multiple authors and should not reflect opinions of just one user. We used to have a website called "Wikitravel Extra" that worked similar to a blog where users were sharing their personal travel experience however the page became inactive as people preferred to edit Wikitravel, instead of Wikitravel Extra. I hope that this clarifies things. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:13, 19 November 2013 (EST)
Accurate. This chat (if created) will be a tool of communication between the typed as if local comments were: ' I don 't recommend this place because it is ugly ', ' I found the local exotic ', ' does anyone know if is violent? '... and the Extra had only By the english version and this chat (in my vision) can be as comments on the blog, where one can log by facebook, Twitter, Google... to comment and wikitravel's account to edit pages.-187.62.66.79 19:37, 19 November 2013 (EST) (Livroturistico)
Livroturistico, I'm not sure if I fully understand you...
If you suggest creating chatrooms this would mean changing completely the nature of this website. We would need to have a broader community discussion about it first. All the best, IBAlex (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Besoins d'aide ?[edit]

Bonjour IBAlex j'ai effectué une demande de statut sur Wikitravel en français ; fr:Wikitravel:Nominations d'administrateurs#FrankyLeRoutier je pourrais ensuite vider cette page ; fr:Catégorie:Pages à supprimer que je remplis, je pourrais aussi créer de nouveaux filtres pour limiter le spam sur le projet francophone. Cordialement. FrankyLeRoutier (talk) 13:59, 24 November 2013 (EST)

Rebonjour voici un autre exemple ; [15] où je pourrais être utile. Amicalement. FrankyLeRoutier (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2013 (EST)
Salut FrankyLeRoutier! Thank you for your message! We actually have a French administrator- PierrB- who you can communicate with. He told me that you have contributed to French Wikitravel many times recently. He also mentioned that you are pretty new on FR Wikitravel. How long you have been with us? Amicalement, IBAlex (talk) 20:51, 25 November 2013 (EST)
Rebonjour, je suis actif depuis le 13 octobre 2013, aussi il y a cette liste de demande de suppression ; [16]. Amicalement. FrankyLeRoutier (talk) 21:42, 25 November 2013 (EST)
Thank you! Are you active also on Korean Wikitravel? We have an active administrator there as well- IBPark- I will notify her about it. Amicalement! IBAlex (talk) 14:03, 26 November 2013 (EST)
Merci beaucoup, sur le projet Hongrois, à part vous, il n'y a pas d'administrateur actif, les contributions de l'utilisateur LiliaOILCicfxtl ne sont hélas qu'un exemple et malheureusement il y a d'autres spammeurs qui s'en donne à coeur joie, il faudrait vérifier les 685 pages, quel est le nom du modèle de suppression sur ce projet ? Cordialement. FrankyLeRoutier (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Thanks for the kind greeting[edit]

I wanted to say thanks for the kind greetings on my talk page. I does make one feel welcome and want to return. --jeffmcneill (talk) 07:31, 25 November 2013 (EST)

That's great to hear! We're happy to see your edits on Wikitravel! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Thank You[edit]

Thank you very much for your compliments. They really make me feel welcome to this community. Public transportation is a deep passion of mine, and I'm glad to see that my knowledge and contributions are appreciated. Checkmatechamp137 (talk) 21:34, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Yes, we're very happy to have you in our community! Thank you! IBAlex (talk) 13:34, 26 November 2013 (EST)

I don't agree with your edit[edit]

Health care and dentists are included, but legal service is not? Even your message says: "and other businesses useful to travellers". Ask a Chinese Lawyer is a public service, not a business - and one very useful to travelers. For example, on taxes, visa issues, tickets, etc. It is a legitimate listing and I think it should be returned to the guide immediately.

I think you need help understanding what I am saying... Too bad there is not forum for that. —The preceding comment was added by Jinlong0908 (talkcontribs)
Jinlong0908, thank you for your message! I would gladly explain you why your listings were removed from our guide. First and foremost, you added the same generic listing to multiple pages on Wikitravel which is against our policies. Wikitravel is not yellow pages and we don't want to list the same place many times. You can read that in our policies for business owners. Second of all, I don't believe that listing lawyer firms on Wikitravel would benefit the traveler. Information about tickets and visas is provided in our guides. And when a traveler faces issues in a foreign country he should contact his embassy which we also list in our articles. Last but not list, Where you can stick it policy page doesn't list "legal services" but it lists healthcare and dentistry. Therefore, I ask you not to add your listings about legal services to our articles again. We encourage you however to contribute constructively. If you have any more questions, please let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:52, 26 November 2013 (EST)


Link to bus map of Hanoi[edit]

Why did you remove my link to detailed roadmap of Hanoi http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Hanoi&oldid=2128038#By_bus_2 ? All other links like bus.earth.vn and www.tramoc.com.vn are not external? Only mine, which is 10 times more helpfull? —The preceding comment was added by Vladkras (talkcontribs)

Hello Vladkras! Thank you for your message! Your link was removed because it breaches our External links policies. Please read the section What not to link to and you will see that we don't list map services. I left only official links to Hanoi Public Transportation website. Please keep in mind that Wikitravel policy is that external links should be kept to a bare minimum as we want to create a self sufficient guide. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:02, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Asheville, NC hotels[edit]

Hello there, I saw your message that you took off my Asheville hotels. I don't understand why I can't add hotels if they are in that area and not listed already. I admit the information is generic but it is accurate. Is there something I can do or add to my listings so they are safe from removal. —The preceding comment was added by DSL3M (talkcontribs)

Hello! Thanks for getting back to me so fast! Exactly as I wrote on your talk page- If there are plenty of listings already in the article, there is no need to add additional ones as they would not benefit the traveler. Our goal is NOT to list ALL the lodging options in the area, but just to highlight some of them. Wikitravel is not yellow pages and there is no need to list 50-100 hotels in a particular city, especially the generic ones, just with the name of the hotel, address and the URL. Look at the Ashville page- we have already enough listings there. If you think that your hotel listing is in any way special or different than the other ones listed there, please start a discussion about it on the article talk page and let the community decide if we should add it or not. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 15:49, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Facebook[edit]

I entered the wikitravel page on Facebook, do not know if the page is true or not. If it is official, I saw that there are only things wikitravel in English, good in other languages ​​is not enough to have 10,000 pages, but it would be nice to put something other languages​​, at least the destination of the month --187.62.66.113 19:17, 26 November 2013 (EST) (Livroturistico)

Hi Livroturistico! Yes, our Facebook page is for EN WT. There is a link on EN WT Home Page to Facebook; that's probably what you entered. We are very open to having more Facebook Fan Pages for other language versions but we need people who would be willing to take care of them- posting regularly and engaging users. Our Dutch admin is working on our NL Facebook page. Would you be interested in taking administrating our PT Facebook Fan Page? Thanks, IBAlex (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2013 (EST)
Create it (: D), I'll post the link here for you to have a look.--187.62.66.120 09:13, 27 November 2013 (EST) (Livroturistico)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wikitravel-PT/685776588113380

Projet Hongrois (Hungarian WT)[edit]

Bonjour IBAlex il y a toujours l'utilisateur LiliaOILCicfxt avec ces contributions [17] qui faudrait supprimer, aussi voici un autre exemple ; [18], ce ne sont hélas que des exemples et malheureusement il y a d'autres spammeurs qui s'en donne à coeur joie, personnellement je crois qu'il faudrait nommer d'autres utilisateurs de confiance au poste d'administrateur sur ce projet un peu à l'abandon. Cordialement. FrankyLeRoutier (talk) 22:01, 23 December 2013 (EST)

Bonjour Franky! IBAlex is currently off because of the holidays, but she will be back soon! Thank you for your help! Bonnes fêtes ;) PierrB (talk) 04:06, 24 December 2013 (EST)
Hello Franky! Thank you for your message and concerns about Hungarian Wikitravel! Today I deleted and blocked over 100 spammy accounts and pages. I also reached out to a active Hungarian users asking them if they would be interested in becoming admins and helping us with the spam. Looking forward to their replies now. I read on your Hungarian profile that you don't speak the language, right? Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2014 (EST)

hu: Egyiptom[edit]

Hello IBAlex, I left the following message on your Hungarian user talk: could you please let me know why you deleted the article on Egypt? TYA, Ferike333 (talk) 20:07, 27 December 2013 (EST)

Hello Ferike333! Thank you for your messages both on my English and Hungarian pages. Sorry that you had to wait long for my reply. The reason why I deleted page about Egypt is because it was fully copied from [19]. I actually should have restored it to the last version before the copy-pasted edit, my apologies. I did it just now. Would you be interested in helping us with Hungarian language version? Looking forward to your reply. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Thank you Aleksandra for your help[edit]

the problem is not with the administrators of the English site or other languages​​, but with the administrators in the arabic Wikitravel site .ترجمان05 (talk) 06:20, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Ok, let me try to solve it. What was your user name on the Arabic Wikitravel? Can you provide me also with a link to your account? I'm also an admin on Arabic language version so I can unblock you. Looking forward to your response. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:00, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Thanks Message![edit]

Hello, Alex. Thank you for taking the message to the My talk page. At the same, the reply is delayed, sorry. In regard to the Christmas gift, I declined this time.

Please take good care of yourself. --Kentagon (talk) 08:17, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Thank you for your message! Please know that we are very thankful for your help on Wikitravel! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:56, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Hi Alex! Thanks for letting me know about the watermark on photos. I hadn't seen that anywhere. Cheers! —The preceding comment was added by 178.37.148.50 (talkcontribs)

You're welcome! I'll be looking forward to seeing your pictures in our guides soon! Also, small hint- please always sign your posts by adding this ~~~~ wikimarkup. Please feel free to drop me a message anytime you have doubts or questions. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:40, 24 January 2014 (EST)

Hi, tank you for your message on my talk page ! It's very kind to acknowledge my small contributions to this great project. Regards, Fbianco (talk) 05:46, 8 February 2014 (EST)

Yes, Fbianco, we are very happy to see you in our traveler's community! Please keep it up. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:58, 10 February 2014 (EST)

Picture for the article[edit]

Hello. I'm planing to expand one article by adding at least some basics (this one), and found several pictures at Wikimedia Commons (all CC-BY-SA-3.0), so i'd want to ask you about some sort of expertise: the photo depicts St Johns celebration which is celebrated in accordance with pagan traditions, therefore various pagan symbols are used. I'd want to be sure (before uploading it) that its top-right corner is equally suitable to display on WT as any other part of it. I can upload some other picture instead, just this one is more panoramic, sort of. --Local (talk) 16:13, 3 February 2014 (EST)

Hi Local! Nice to hear from you! Yes, it's absolutely fine to upload [this picture. You might even explain what those symbols mean as travelers might not know it. Wikitravel is all about helping you during your travels and I believe this picture will benefit the traveler. Thank you very much for your willingness to upload Jonava article! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:22, 3 February 2014 (EST)
Good :) Thanks. --Local (talk) 16:36, 3 February 2014 (EST)

Namibia Page[edit]

Hi, I saw your message regarding changes to the regions of Namibia. It sounds fair enough, but with whom are we seeking consensus and how do we get it? It seems that arbitrary 'northern', 'southern', 'central', and the now-obsolete 'Caprivi' labels are better replaced by administrative regions as defined by the government. Or are regions more like 'areas', and not official administrative regions? - Vsnnamibia

Hi Vsnnamibia, thank you for your message! Yes, regions are somewhat nebulous organizational groupings and don't have to be official administrative regions. Region articles tend to be more "soft", discussing the people, culture, climate, and cuisine in the region, rather than the legalistic or administrative groupings. Regions can have sub-regions, and those can have further sub-regions, and so on and so forth. Please have a look at the United States of America article. The country is divided into 13 regions that don't represent administrative groupings. Within those regions, ex. New England, you have individual states. I would suggest doing the same on the Namibia page.
You asked me about where to discuss changes to the articles. Please know that every article has an associated discussion page for discussing that article. This includes coordinating editorial decisions, suggesting new material that should be considered, and generally collaborating on making a great article. Here is a discussion page for Namibia article.
Keep in mind that we don't use copied content on Wikitravel (this includes content from Wikipedia). Our goal is to create a travel guide with an original content.
Last thing, if you want to sign your post, please use ~~~~ which will create your wiki signature for you.
Please let me know if you have any more questions. I'm here to help and I would gladly answer all of them. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 18:05, 12 February 2014 (EST)

Picture[edit]

Hi IBAlex,

Happy that you liked the pictures and that you featured one as picture of the day! The page of Kep looks like this much nicer, doesn't it!? cheers —The preceding comment was added by User:Blackduck (talkcontribs)

Yes, it looks great now! Thank you for all the pictures! We appreciate your contributions here. Please keep it up! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2014 (EST)


External links[edit]

(moved from the user page of IBAlex to her talk page by --Ttcf (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2014 (EST))

Hi Alex,

In reference to your text, I would like to ask that if a particular travel blog has got authentic information on a particular place to travel why can't we place a link to that blog. External links are used for that purpose only. No one has got that much time to write paragraphs here on Wiki travel. As because we are passionate travelers, we don't want any communication gap or lack of information on Wiki travel article pages so we come here and write a few lines to make the articles read for travelers. All details can not be put here all the time so we link to the pages which have got good information on this particular topic.

Please let me know if placing this kind of link is beyond guidelines. As far as my knowledge goes I know that any informative page can be linked from here if that is not a business page and if this activity is not promotional. In such a case no external links should be allowed to place on any page on Wiki travel.

I have explored some offbeat destinations and I would surely cover that on my Bl*g with all required and helpful information. I don't find any harm placing a link to my page.

Now if this is not okay, then I will surely not link back to my bl*g pages. Looking forward to your feedback.

Regards, Abhijit Gupta (talk) 06:56, 20 February 2014 (EST)

Abhijit, thank you for your message. Let me explain a few things. We allow External links to primary sources of information (official tourist office website, official website for a hotel , etc), however we are very strict about not linking to secondary sources of information (blogs, forums, etc). We want our guides to be complete therefore we avoid links to other travel websites, to ensure we have travel information in Wikitravel, not linked from Wikitravel. This is an incentive issue; if we have lots of links to other travel guides, we lose the impetus to create our own. In addition, one of our goals is to produce a guide useful for printing or off-line use, and therefore we need information to be within the article rather than linked to at another site. I hope that this all makes sense to you. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:23, 20 February 2014 (EST)

US spelling[edit]

I realise that you have only been editing at Wikitravel for seventeen months or so, so you may not realise that your edit summary at the time may not have been entirely accurate.

Do you realise that if you question the ten year old tradition of using the traveller and travelling spelling variants then you also risk re-opening the decision made at the same time to default to US spelling where the topic has no strong connection to another variant of English?

Is there a reason you have not yet contributed your viewpoint at Wikitravel talk:Spelling - The traveller came first, not the spellchecker? --Ttcf (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Mistake[edit]

If it was by mistake you changed my words here (rather than adding your own comment, please just correct it.

If this was indeed deliberate, then please justify this breach of etiquette in using talk pages. --Ttcf (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2014 (EST) --Ttcf (talk) 21:58, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Since you seem to be ignoring my attempts at communication, I've gone ahead and made the necessary changes to make it clear what I originally wrote (and what you wrote, later). --Ttcf (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2014 (EST)

Clarification[edit]

Hi IBAlex :)

Please bear with me as I am new to this :) I have added a few lines to the Eat section for Leuven (http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Leuven&oldid=2166046), a few weeks ago (Feb 8/2014), and you have edited it but I am not sure where I went wrong in what I said, or what I could do in the future to improve things :) I would like to ask for your expert advice as reading through the provided links helped but did not really answer my question. Perhaps I am interpreting something wrong.

Thanks a lot in advance! —The preceding comment was added by Andre25 85 (talkcontribs)

Hi Andre25 85! I'm very happy you asked and actually want to understand better how WT works. I appreciate that! I just formatted your listing, keeping it shorter, and still including all the necessary info. In section "Eat" of the article we normally just put Listings of different restaurants, without describing districts where they are(districts should be described earlier on in the article). Therefore I just removed the info about Vismarkt district. I hope that you understand my rationale. Now, however, I realized that the entire section "Eat" should actually be formatted, following a more standard formatting. Look at Ulrecht Eat section. We can follow this format OR divide section Eat on Leuven article into districts, write a short description about the district and then add individual listings. Let me know what you think. Also, how familiar are you with Leuven? Would be great if you could help us expand this article. Thanks a lot! Looking forward to your answer. IBAlex (talk) 13:54, 25 February 2014 (EST)

74.203.165.158's edits to Manassas[edit]

You blocked 74.203.165.158, are his edits to the Manassas article legitimate? 96.241.169.252 00:27, 26 February 2014 (EST)

Nevermind. Misread the edit history, thought his edits were far more substantial then they were. 96.241.169.252 00:33, 26 February 2014 (EST)
Hi! No worries! Feel free to ask questions anytime something is not clear. I'm sure you looked at 74.203.165.158 contributions. It's clear 74.203.165.158 is a marketer who spams our guide with generic Listings on multiple pages. We don't want this kind of contributions here. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2014 (EST)

External Links & References on Cancun page[edit]

Hey Alex

After deleting my entry on some transportation providers info under 'Cancun, Getting In, By Plane' you wrote, "Please don't add generic listings to our guides as they don't meet our External links guidance. We don't want Wikitravel to become yellow pages. Thank you for understanding!"

Which doesn't make sense because if you scroll down to the "Sleeping", "Drinking", and "Dining" sections on the same page, you see the similar type of generic listings that looks like the "yellow pages". Basically you already have that kind of "generic listings" on that same page and elsewhere on Wikitravel. So what's the difference & what's the exception???

I used to post on Lonely Planet's Thorntree forum and the question of getting from the Cancun Airport into town gets asked a lot over there which I suspect many are looking for the same information on here as well, hence why I took the trouble to list them out. The airport website (www.asur.com.mx) doesn't clearly list that kind of information and it be nice for people to see what's available to get them from the airport to the hotel, what level or class of service is offered, and for how much money. Some may even want to book their ride in advance of going there and go straight to their transport provider once they get there. Yes that can be googled but the information returned is bewildering and confusing especially to someone who is not familiar with the area and have no clue what's available to them. Some of the sites that come up on a google search are ready to take your order but they can be sketchy to give your credit card number to so I provided that information in a controlled and filtered fashion based on my observations when I went there.—The preceding comment was added by Anyone150 (talkcontribs)

Hello Anyone150! Thank for asking. I suggest reading our External links policies, especially the section What not to link to. Thank you! IBAlex (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

External Links on Guam page[edit]

hey Alex, Thanks for your email re: the Guam page. Just curious, though.

I had listed my tourguide service as a "To Do" listing to the page as I've seen done on many pages on the Wikitrave.org sitel. I can totally understand the hotel listings, as this is a vital part of travel.

My question is: If bars and restaurants (not a vital part of travel :-) or primary sources of information) can have a phone number and link on a page (see below from Guam page), why not a tour guide service or (the only) booking agent for a newly developing region ?

Talofofo Island Sunrise Cafe, 286 Chalan Canton Ladera, Talofofo Guam 96915 (Traversed the island down Rte 4 to the three-way intersection above Talofofo Bay. Turn right and go up the hill past Notre Dame High School and drive past two bus-stops (both on the right), then turn right at the Island Sunrise Cafe sign (you'll see signs guiding you along the way). You'll find this lovely hideaway perched up on the cliff line offering one of the island's most breath-taking coastal vistas.), ☎ 989-5071, [2]. 8am-8pm closed on Wednesday. Local cuisine and BBQ. As an added bonus breakfast is served from 8am-8pm. $5-$10.. edit [edit]Tumon Buddies Billiards and Brew, (Behind Tick Tock), ☎ 649-CUES (2837). edit Bully’s Bar & Grill, (1F of The Plaza), ☎ 649-2389. edit Cafe Havana, (Hyatt Regency Guam Resort), ☎ 64SALSA (647-2572). edit Casa Nami, San Vitores Rd (Across from Pacific Islands Club, 2F), ☎ 646-NAMI. edit [edit][add listing]Sleep —The preceding comment was added by Jamaicaninchina (talkcontribs)

Hi Jamaicaninchina! I'm glad you asked about that. Please know that in general we do not list tours in our articles. We only make exceptions for tours that constitute a value-added activity or if they are essential to visit a certain area. So for example we would list a helicopter tour of NYC, or in Panmunjeom where they are required by law. The policy disallows listings for most audio tours, walking tours, and guided tours since the substance of such tours can generally be fulfilled by an independent traveller, and the information provided on such tours should ideally be included in the appropriate Wikitravel article. Please see more info here.
Listings for restaurants or bars are essential parts of our guides. And then when you create a listing for a particular restaurant we advise users to add an official website of the restaurant as well which becomes a primary source of information. This is all written in our policy pages.
Also, small hint- when you leave a message on the talk page, please know that you should sign your posts by using ~~~~. This will help us keep the conversation organized. Let me know if you have any more questions. If not, happy editing! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:14, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Miami- South Beach[edit]

Hello Alex,

I kindly ask that you read the discussion on Binbin's page under "Miami- South Beach" as to the reasoning for adding the tours. An independent traveler would never be able to create a similar experience on their own. The vast majority of South Beach history on the Internet, including Wikitravel, is downright wrong in many instances. Removing the touring options from South Beach is doing a disservice to Wikitravel visitors. --DNevens (talk) 14:06, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, first of all, discussions about tours should be carried out in the article talk pages. Then a consensus should be reached by community if we should put them back to the article or not. As I said, I started a discussion about it already. Second of all, I still believe that the tour listed there do not constitute a value-added activity and visitors could fulfill the substance of the tour on their own. I'd rather see you describing the SoBe attractions in the article so that our users can read about them on Wikitravel, print our guide and do the tour on their own. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:12, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Alex, I'm not exactly sure how many people will be chiming in since the only discussion page edit there besides mine was from 2008. I'll say again, there's no way anyone can replicate one of the tours on their own. The only way it might be possible is if they wheeled around a shopping cart full of books, and even then they would be hard pressed to comprehend all of what they saw.

If I plopped you down in front of an Art Deco building and said "Okay, tell me about it" would you be able to point out the different architectural elements, or why those elements were used? Would you be able to say who built it, and what significance that architect had on South Beach?

Even if you went to a notable landmark like the Versace Mansion, would you know more than Gianni Versace owned it and was gunned down on the steps? Would you know when it was built? (it wasn't 1993,) Who built the main building? (it wasn't Versace,) What it originally was? (it was an apartment complex,) When Versace bought it? (It was actually 1992,) What he put into the property? The major showdown between him and preservationist? The heated dispute after his death between his partner and the rest of his family? Would you know that the mansion was foreclosed upon and it is no longer owned by Peter Loftin?

The answer to all questions is "probably not" because 1) there is nothing in South Beach a visitor could look at and get that type of information from, and 2) Even if I update the Wikitravel article to include the correct information, there's no way I can cover all the important sites, and people without it becoming an incredibly long, long, looooooong article. Even with a long article, I still cannot physically point out things like architectural elements.

I understand the Wikitravel touring policy; however, an exception should be made because the policy's description does not fit with what people are able to do in South Beach vs other destinations. --DNevens (talk) 14:44, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, I understand your point and I know that you can get all this detailed info during a tour, no matter if this is Miami, Los Angeles or Barcelona. That's the beauty of the tour business. However, as mentioned before, we do not list walking tours or audio tours in our guides unless they have an extra value. We list attractions (section See) or things to do in the area (section Do) and then we leave it up to the user what he or she wants to do and see. If an user is interested in an additional walking tour in the area, she/he would do a Google search to find info about it. However, I'm highlighting it again, info about general walking tours should not be included in our guides. I hope it's clear. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:15, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

You're the boss. I will say that if you plan on visiting South Beach, hang on to the links. If you go off what is listed on the Wikitravel page, not only will you be missing a tremendous amount of what South Beach has to offer, but you'll also be getting a lot of incorrect, and/or outdated information. Best of luck with the site. --DNevens (talk) 16:29, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, we leave it up to the community, therefore I started a discussion on the talk page for users to voice their opinions. Please know that all this is in a good faith for the traveler. Wikitravel aims to be a complete travel guide - not just an additional resource therefore we prefer to have all the necessary info on the page. This has been always our goal therefore I'm holding into it. Best, IBAlex (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Re Poto Tano[edit]

Hi Alex

Yes, Poto Tano is just a dot on the map so I added a little more info that is relevant to people who might wash up there and have to wait for a ferry. There are a lot of photos and articles about my motorcycle travels in Sumbawa here [20]and here [21] - look under the "Indonesia Ride reports" in the forums.21:32, 18 March 2014 (EDT)Merantau (talk)

Hi Merantau! Thank you for your message! I slightly edited the Poto Tano article so that it follows our WT template. Please feel free to add more sections. Also, do you have pictures you would like to share in our articles? It seems to me that you travel a lot so it would be great if you could upload pictures to our articles. Do you know how to do it? If not I would be happy to explain it.
I also had a look at your motorcycle blog. Would you be interested in creating an itinerary about this topic? That would be a great addition to our guides! If you need some help how to do it, please let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:05, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

Re Scotland articles[edit]

Hi, Alex

I'm glad to see that someone appreciates my updates! I'm just trying to improve Wikitravel as much as I can - I've actually been to most of the places that I have updated. Regarding the mug, I'll send you an email regarding my address using the last email address you sent me. Sorry I haven't got back to you earlier - I've been busy with my studies, oh and travelling of course! Regards, Scarwood (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2014 (BST)

Conjunction words in the Phrasebook[edit]

Hello. A little question: i have noticed a short discussion on a "Phrasebook template discussion page" about whether the conjunction words should be listed. It seems like an agreement was met to list several words but they are absent in a current template. Not my business, just i could list some of them for practical reasons here. I slightly edited this page and discovered that people were using it indeed: it probably was a source of common incorrect pronunciation among many foreigners for many years :) . So i fixed those inaccuracies and could easily add some extra practical words (like conjunction words and/or translations of certain tourist objects like, say, street, shop, building, church), but since they are not included into the template i don't want to make such edits without your assent. --Local (talk) 05:11, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Local! True! Conjunction words were definitely needed. I just added them to the template so feel free to add them as well to the Lithuanian phrasebook. For the other words (including adjectives mentioned on the talk page) we would need to reach a consensus. Please feel free to start a new discussion about it on the Wikitravel talk:Phrasebook template. Thanks again for bringing it to my attention! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2014 (EDT)
Good, thanks for reply. Adjectives, i somehow don't think they are that essential, i was thinking about certain nouns that can be found everywhere, e.g as a part of street address, on the plates, on the maps, namely: house, building, street, shop. They are related to the sections "Eating", "Driving", "Shopping", "Lodging". I mean, related indirectly, they are sort of "basics" in a daily life for everyone. Actually my impression is that everybody were discussing about the flies but missed the elephant :D . But if certain consensus is neeeded for that i'd better ignore it - so far nobody complained, so probably nobody needed them :) . I am supporter of the short text, short explanations etc, so if some things are missing it doesn't necessarily mean that this is wrong. --Local (talk) 06:59, 4 April 2014 (EDT)

ja: Geocoding system seems to be disabled[edit]

Hi Alex, thank you for your efforts toward the routine maintenance for ja: and other language pages.

Well, I checked ja: pages today and noticed that the maps (which excerpts from google maps, yahoo maps to WT) are not displayed correctly. I don't know what's going on exactly, but I think it is probably because the Geocoding system in the WT are temporarily disabled, along with the mediawiki upgrade last week. On ja: pages, two types of the Geocoding related tags, i.e. {{geo|lat=|long=}} and {{Maps|lat=|long=}} are both malfunctioned so far.

Could you check the system and debug them, please?

P.S. I posted the same comment on the ja: Traveler’s Pub.--Shoestring (talk) 11:36, 5 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Shoestring! Thank you for leaving me this message. Let's continue this discussion on ja: Traveler’s Pub as more people will be able to see it and possibly reply. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

Request[edit]

Could you please blank my userpage? Thank you. --Rschen7754 (talk) 21:44, 11 April 2014 (EDT)

Message from BritishZen[edit]

Hi IBAlex, thanks for the encouragement! I haven't actually edited a Wiki before, but I looked into setting one up for a small company before, so I know a tiny bit about how they work - the reason I'm here is actually to put that theory into practice and learning a lot about markup! If there's anything I should be doing differently, let me know! BritishZen (talk)

Thanks for getting back to me! Awesome, we're always on a lookout for good contributors! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:24, 2 May 2014 (EDT)

Fortaleza and me[edit]

Hi there. I shaved my User page because I haven't been active for a long time, and hence do not feel all that comfortable with leaving too much info. Nothing dramatic, though. However I am still living here, so I will help out as best as I can upon specific requests. —The preceding comment was added by Mariusm98 (talkcontribs)

Mariusm98, thank you for your prompt response. I would definitely love to see your contributions here, especially about Brazil. It looks like you have a huge knowledge about travel destinations in that country. As we both know, World Cup is coming up so I would truly appreciate your updates to some of the articles. I'm also putting together a page World Cup 2014. Please feel free to plunge forward and add anything you think would benefit the traveler. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:48, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Thank you[edit]

Dear IBAlex

Thank you very much for all your positive comments regarding my articles on the Polish voivodeships. It's an honor to have your barnstar, since I never really thought I would get one before. I look forward to adding more provinces in the near future, and hope all my information can continue to be accurate! Miles531 (talk) 18:15, 15 April 2014 (EDT)

You sure deserved the barnstar! I'm looking forward to seeing more contributions from you! Dziekuje! Thank you! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2014 (EDT)

Your email 260314.[edit]

Hi Alex! I am just back home after six weeks in Thailand, and can now respond to your email. Thank you for the offer, I will happily accept it. What information do you require to deliver it?

Also, I will be contributing quite a lot more info in the next couple of weeks, having been to a few out of the way places, as well as some regular ones.

One thing that will need fixing - this is an oversight on my part. The town Ban Ao Leuk. The hopeless Thai transliteration system has it as Ban Ao Luek. Will you please amend this on the site and also the two other cross reference sites, Krabi Province and Krabi Town. —The preceding comment was added by Avemario (talkcontribs)

Hello Avemario! Thank you for getting back to me. Please send me an email to awocial (at) internetbrands.com with the address you would like us to send you the package to.
We will be looking forward to seeing your contributions on Wikitravel!
I have already corrected the town name. Please let me know if there is anything else I should do. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:01, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Maps[edit]

Hi Alex, I just had one question: do you know where I can download vector files of pictograms for on city maps, preferably which I can open with Adobe Illustrator? Thanks and kind regardsRuben Alexander (talk) 13:54, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Ruben Alexander! For the vector pictograms you would have to do a Google search. Unfortunately, I don't know which site is best to download them from. Please keep in mind to download pictograms that are compatible with our CC license, meaning that they cannot be copyrighted. From what I know the majority of the vector pictograms will open in Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape. This page might be helpful for you, however it mainly focuses on Inkscape. I hope that this will help a little bit. It would be great if you could let me know where you end up downloading the vector pictograms so I know better for the future. Thank you! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:05, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Ok, thanks for the info. I thought Wikitravel might have some kind of fixed style pictograms, but if thats not the case, I'll make some myself (I can also make these available if you want). greetings,Ruben Alexander (talk) 17:05, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Great! Yes, I would definitely appreciate if you make them available. Other travelers might benefit from the. Good luck! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 17:06, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Giardini Naxos[edit]

Hi. I noticed you removed my entry citing that it sounds like it was written by a marketer. Given that the entry above it says "the best take-out pizza" this seems inconsistent. Would you agree that should be removed as well?

Anyway I re-added MeliNeri with some different language. I still think "tired of pizza yet?" is the right way to introduce the restaurant because there are about 100 other places in the vicinity that are touristy pizza joints and we had to look pretty hard to find this place. How would you describe it?

Mbacarella (talk) 11:17, 6 June 2014 (EDT)

Mbacarella, thank you for your message and for rewriting the listing! Yes, our goal on Wikitravel is not to make our Listings look salesy/ touty. We receive thousands of listings from marketers that say best place ever, best pizza in town. All that should be deleted per Don't tout policies and worlds to avoid guidance. I recommend reading both pages. I already removed the touty expression the best take-out pizza (thanks for the hint!). If you see any touty expression/ Listing in the future, please feel free to remove it/ rewrite it. We are a crowdsourced travel guide and we rely on help from our community. If you have more questions, don't hesitate to contact me. I'm here to help! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2014 (EDT)

Yes! One question: To be super clear, you removed the original listing because "Tired of pizza yet? Try <something different>" seems to violate "Describe, don't urge" under the don't tout page? This doesn't sound touty to me. Is it the word "try"? Hmm. Mbacarella (talk) 04:41, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Hi Mbacarella! Yes, the whole sentence sounded touty to me and I decided it's better to rewrite it. Thank you for doing that! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2014 (EDT)

Ukraine topic[edit]

It's of no problem. I have a few Ukrainian friends from these areas, and I happen to also read the news on what is going on there. If you know any Ukrainians who live there, I'd love to see if you can get in contact with them and update the article about the area. I heard two raions want to secede to Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.

Sereniama (talk) 20:25, 12 May 2014 (EDT)

Sereniama, great you have access to this kind of information! I don't have any Ukrainian friends but I will be updating Wikitravel too as I read the news. I'm already adding updates to our News Section on the Home Page. Thank you! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2014 (EDT)

Ubud listing[edit]

Hi Alek

My name Nyoman. Last year I am put list Ubud Go Cheap Tour and it's ok until this come ( Bali Travel and Tourist Information (Bali Tour and Activities Provider). The listing about Ubud Go Cheap is gone....?? I want put back always removed. This place really help many guest in Ubud Also can put, please can put Angga Homestay on Budget list..This homestay make me just feel like in home Please help me

Thank's, Nyoman ubud (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello Nyoman! Thank you for your message. I don't know if you saw but one of our administrators has already left you a message about it on your talk page a few days ago. Your homestay listing had to be removed because there are already too many generic sleep listings. We have already 20+ listings in just "Budget" subsection. That's way too many and additional ones would not benefit the traveler. Please note that we are not yellow pages and our goal is NOT to list all the available sleep options in the area. Regarding the tours you posted, please note that we do not add generic tour listings to our articles. Tours can be listed on Wikitravel as long as they constitute a value-added activity. If a traveller could fulfil the substance of the tour on their own, the tour should not be listed. You can find more information about it here. Therefore, we kindly ask you to refrain from adding your listings again. Please let me know if you have any more questions. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for the welcome back. --Clarkcj (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

Would be great to see you here often! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 19:21, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

Response to drinking age in Poland[edit]

Since you said that there is a legal drinking age, would you mind adding the drinking age to the article? I put "there is no legal drinking age" in the article, cause I've looked up Legal drinking age on Wikipedia and it stated that Poland doesn't explicitly have a drinking age with approved references to it. Seqqis (talk) 20:15, 30 May 2014 (EDT)

Hi! Thanks for your message! Sure, I added it to our Poland article. I indeed noticed that Wikipedia says that the alcohol consumption age is "no explicitly stated", however the references for that are from 1982 and 1997. After living there for 20+ years I'm very positive the drinking age is 18. You hear it from everywhere:) Best, IBAlex (talk) 20:24, 30 May 2014 (EDT)

Thanks for the note[edit]

Hi Alex, and thanks for the welcome note on my user page. In answer to your question, yes I plan to make more contributions to Wikitravel in both text and photographs, as well as use content in Wikitravel for advice and to augment my own travels from my base in Los Angeles. Danellicus (talk) 11:38, 31 May 2014 (EDT)

Sounds great! Thank you! If have any questions, feel free to contact me. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:24, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

Copper Canyon[edit]

Hi there! Thanks for the compliments on Copper Canyon! I felt that it was my duty since it was a place in my country... Yes I did it to Angkor and many many more places . I didnt find the time to update my traveler profile. All the best!—The preceding comment was added by Fabz (talkcontribs)

Hi Fabricio! Thank you for your response! I looked at your user page and I'm happy to see that we have such an experienced contributor in our community! We would love to see more edits from you! All the best to you too! IBAlex (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Kolyma Highway[edit]

Hi IBAlex. I noticed (somewhat late) that you made a few changes to the article on Kolyma Highway. In particular, removed a lot of warnings about the dangers of the region. Have you heard from more recent travelers there or been yourself? --Kcharles (talk) 13:19, 15 June 2014 (EDT) Ed: I found our previous discussion on the archived page!

Hi KCharles! Nice to meet such an experienced Traveler! First of all, thank you for creating Kolyma highway article and for all your contributions so far! Good job! I edited the article based on the email I recently received from one of our Wikitravelers. He asked us to update the article as some of the information was bot accurate anymore according to him. Here is what he wrote: This entry is seriously outdated, although probably correct when written – the decade of the gangs is long over, gold mines are actively opening (so stores are open selling basic food in a number of widely-spaced places), police are in evidence in larger towns and the government is upgrading the highway and bridges on a grand scale along the entire Yakutsk to Magadan stretch...etc. I basically summarized all what he wrote in my edits. The user drove the highway from Yakutsk to Magadan a few weeks ago and that's why I considered his insights valuable. KCharles, if you think something should be added/ edited/ deleted, please Plunge forward! We would be happy to see your additions!
Unfortunately, I don't know the Kolyma highway. Would be great to do it one day, I'm just not sure if I'm brave enough:) I have tried, however, couchsurfing (I saw your intro on the user page) and I had great experience!
KCharles, we are looking forward to seeing your edits here! Share with us your travel experience. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:09, 5 September 2013 (EDT)"
Thanks for the info. I'm aware of investment in gold extraction, but it really only applies to the last 500 (out of 2000km) of the route. I think I'll update the entry accordingly taking into account the new info, but ensuring it remains balanced with a real appreciation for just how sketchy the place can be. It nearly killed me a couple of times! --Kcharles (talk) 13:25, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
Hello Kcharles! Thank you for your message! Nice to see you on Wikitravel again! Ye, I updated Kolyma Highway article based on my email exchange with one of the users. He gave us lots of details about Kolyma Highway and he was taking from his experience.
Are you planning on working on more pages? If you need any help, don't hesitate to contact me. I'm here to help! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:32, 16 June 2014 (EDT)

USA - Hungarian wikitravel[edit]

Hello IBAlex,

We've already met earlier on the occasion of the deletion of the Hungarian language article of Egypt. I noticed that you deleted several other - not to mention very important - articles due to spam activity. Meanwhile, just as you said you only should have reestablished the last correct version instead of completely deleting the whole thing. This time I noticed you deleted the US (Amerika Egyesült Államok) which to the best of my knowledge had indeed contained useful information and should definitely not have been deleted as a whole. By this you create a huge blank in the Hungarian version of Wikitravel - no USA, no New York, no Egypt, actually all very touristy spots of the world. I'd like to ask you to check the history of these articles prior to deleting them, as in most of the cases they were correct and complete in the beginning. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to help you as you asked to (also sorry for the belated answer), I'm rather a passive user of Wikitravel but I really appreciate your trust. Also, unfortunately I lost my password, I was User:Ferike333 from the Hungarian Wikitravel.

Hello Ferike333! Thank you for your message! Nice to hear from you again! The Amerikai Egyesült Államok page was deleted in 2012 as it was a pure copy of Wikipedia article. The page had many inactive red links and templates and did not look appealing at all. In the article history I noticed that Amerikai Egyesült Államok was deleted many times in the past by some previous admins. I restored the page but I'm sad to inform you that I will have to remove the whole content again. We would be thankful if you could help us work on Hungarian page for USA. Please feel free to add some basic information and keep in mind not to add copied content. What are some other pages (in Hungarian) that were deleted? I cannot find the page for New York. I just see that.
I have a good news for you- you can reset your password by using this link. It would be great if you could help us improve Hungarian version of Wikitravel! Please let me know if you have more questions. I'm here to help. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:27, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
Thank you. I'm working on figuring out what email address I originally added to Wikipedia in order to reset my password. As for the US, I reset the latest version that seemed to be good and Wikitravel related. I will try to brush it up once I'm back home. For New York I see the same three lines. I thought there was a somewhat better version earlier but I may be wrong.

All the best, 150.101.211.186 01:24, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

Good external links and some other things[edit]

Hello Aleksandra. Recently user 50.195.72.217 made some useful edits on Vilnius article, just i noticed that he reverted "new good" external link format to a former "footnote style" (here for example, also here etc). Is this a new policy of "good external links? Maybe there will be some improvements of the website or something, so those footnotes are necessary to enable automatic change to the new mode or something? Or are there exceptions, ie in some directories only footnote style external links are allowed?

Also, does external links to official tourism offices (branches of State Department) are not allowed? I somewhere read that only links to other guides or blogs or sites that are similar to WT are not allowed, but state offices are OK? Specifically see this (the very first one) edit. I generally like all the edits of this user but am confused about such small things like mentioned above, user himself seems rather indifferet and quite confident at the same time. I myself am confident about the factual information but not about the styles and formats. --Local (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

Hi Local! Thank you for your message! I hope you're doing well. I would gladly answer your questions:
External links style: In general we try to avoid footnote style links, especially when we insert the markup for a listing manually. However, the problem arises when users use the "Add listing" box near the Eat, Sleep, etc sections. The "Add listing" box creates footnote style links. It's a glitch that our IT team cannot resolve. Therefore, when somebody uses "Add listing" box we don't really have time to correct it afterwards. However, we ask users to create the standard hypertext-style of external link (Example) when they add markup manually.
Yes, links to official tourism offices are welcomed. I see that the link to vilnus-tourism is already on the page, in the See section so everything is fine.
Please let me know if you have any other questions. As always thank you for all your contributions! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2014 (EDT)
Thanks. Not exactly what i expected, specifically: i'm aware about a "glitch that your IT team cannot resolve", my question is specific about this situation, ie i previously edited all external links to meet the "good external link" format (bold-blue-clickable), now the user reverted most of them back to "footnote style". For no reason, i mean, he didn't add nothing new. If it's Ok i'll leave it, but if it's not Ok i'd prefer Blue-bold-clickable style and could revert them. Just want to avoid senseless and meaningless job. Therefore i ask you here for guidance how to behave both now and in the future :) .
And few things more - is the "See" section a proper one to add a link to official tourism office or is it better to place it in the very beginning? Is it wrong to add its street address and contacts (they were removed)? If i knew that i could do everything properly myself. Next - in "Get out" section i previously removed remote destinations and added "1 day trip ideas", now same user added same destinations that are 400km away. How to behave in this situation? Next - there were taxi prices previously and my explanation related to them. Now prices are removed, so explanation is unnecessary, but some others may add the prices again - so is it wrong to keep the taxi prices or is it OK? I also see that eg in Old Town description same english language mythology is added again while factual info is removed. Info was selected by me with reference to traveler questions / confusions / problems / misunderstandings that i found on various travel forums, i mean i didn't focus on encyclopedia and i don't need to. In fact now the description is a fantasy (similar to that in other english language guides but more shallow, i think it comes from some early article on Wikipedia which now is long gone because of inaccuracies). I can leave of course all fantasies because they sound usual :) . My idea was to get rid of them, as much as possible, but then it often may sound exotic to some people. So again, i ask you for guidance how to behave? :) --Local (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
Local, I know you've been taking good care of our Vilnius page so please feel free to make edits on that article based on my guidance:
  • When user rewrites listings and only changes links to a footnote style, this should be reverted. We aim to create the standard hypertext-style of external links. I'd rather encourage this user to spend his/ her time on adding new content than making changes like that.
  • It's best to put the information about the Tourism Office in the Understand section so please free to make the changes.
  • As per our discussion before, in the "Get out" section we should see nearby destinations for day trips.
  • Yes, we should provide taxi prices as long as they are up-to-date.
  • I know that you're an expert here about Lithuania and Vilnius so please edit the articles as accurate as possible:) We trust your contributions!
Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
Valuable and matter-of-fact explanation, thank you very much. --Local (talk) 05:41, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

Goes[edit]

Yes I will be trying to maintain the Goes page. I live in Goes so I actually can check things :) I'll probably will be needing some pointers here and there but I hope people here will be good enough to point them out. —The preceding comment was added by Radius (talkcontribs)

Great to hear that, Radius! Of course, you can ask either me, or any other admin on Wikitravel. Also, Traveller's pub is a great place to post questions to our community. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:51, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

Update[edit]

All good on the West Coast so far. Thanks for the training! IBcaldera (talk) 19:39, 28 July 2014 (EDT)

"You must be logged in"[edit]

Hello. I have the following problem: I am logged in. For instance, I can write you this. But if I click on "Upload a picture" (on the left), I get the message "You must be logged in to upload files." and, on the top right of the page, I can't see my name ("Fiable.biz") any longer, and see "Log in" instead of "Log out". If I click on "Report a problem" or to http://wikitravel.org/shared/Wikitravel_Shared:Travellers%27_pub I'm also considered as not logged in. Moreover, if I try to log in again from there, the system says: "Login error There is no user by the name 'Fiable.biz'. Usernames are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account." But this user name does exist! If I go to a user page, like yours, or to a place page like , I'm considered as logged in again and can modify it...

Since I can't report my problem, could you please report it for me? --Fiable.biz (talk) 02:56, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

Hello! As you know uploads happen on Wikitravel Shared. It requires a separate account(which explains all of the weird logged in/logged out situations you've been noticing). Simply create an account and upload your pictures there. Please use this page to upload pictures. After you upload a picture, please add this picture to Wikitravel article. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out. IBcaldera (talk) 13:24, 1 August 2014 (EDT)
Hello Fiable.biz! Thank you for leaving this message on my talk page! As Ibcaldera expalined we have 2 separate platforms for Wikitravel websites- Wikitravel.org and Wikitravel Shared. Unfortunately, you will have to create 2 separate accounts for each of them (it can be the same user name, though). Sorry for the inconvenience! Also, to make it clear, on Wikitravel we store all our articles and users can make changes to them. Wikitravel Shared is, however, our shared repository for all the images (pictures and maps) and a place where you can report problems. Fiable.biz, please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 09:22, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

Japanese sake tourism[edit]

Thank you for your support that you added the link to Japanese sake tourism on travel topic page. I would write more information step by step. aiko99ann (talk) 10:29, 29 Oct. 2014 (JST)

That is great to hear! Thank you so much for your contributions! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2014 (EDT)
Hello Alex, I have one question about editing. I use "Attractions" format and there are lat="" and long="". I think these are to input geographical data, but no appearance of mapping information on the article. Are these 2 valiables working? aiko99ann (talk) 22:10, 31 Oct. 2014 (JST)
Hello aiko99ann! Thanks for the question. No, they are currently not rendering geo information, sorry. Tech team will work on that in the future. We're prioritizing technical requests for new features and work on them one by one. Cheers! IBAlex (talk) 18:40, 2 November 2014 (EST)
That's an interesting response, Aleksandra.
Can you point me (diffs would be useful) to the last and the penultimate technical requests for new features that have either been implemented or a reason given for non-implementation? --Ttcf (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2014 (EST)
Thank you Alex, I understand the situation. I hope all tech team members and Wikitravelers cooperate to improve the value of these webpages. aiko99ann (talk) 10:36, 2 Nov. 2014 (JST)
No.
All technical development seems to have ceased several years ago and technical requests go unanswered and with no feedback. However, just in case Internet Brands do decide to offer some technical development, it's still a good idea to include them just in case there is a sea change in management. --Ttcf (talk) 19:45, 31 October 2014 (EDT)
Hello Ttcf, I really appreciate you revise my poor English sentences! It's very nice lesson for me. aiko99ann (talk) 10:40, 2 Nov. 2014 (JST)
My pleasure - I just hope that I don't change your intended meaning too much. I always have a great time when I visit Japan - it's a pity I don't drink alcohol... --Ttcf (talk) 20:56, 2 November 2014 (EST)
I think you revise this article moderately and correctly. I consider the sake brewing in relation to Japanese culture and craftsmanship, so I recommend you to visit museums and breweries in your next time even you are a nondrinker..! aiko99ann (talk) 11:55, 2 Nov. 2014 (JST)

German site - Gelöschte Beiträge[edit]

Hallo IBAlex, seit ein paar Tagen herrscht auf der deutschen Wikitravel-Seite ein edit-war zu den Berlin- und Potsdam-Artikeln. Sowohl der Administrator als auch ein neuer Autor Thermoflow löschen Beiträge ohne eine Begründung anzugeben. Ich bin so etwas von einem anderen Reisewiki nicht gewohnt und fühle mich herausgefordert neue User zu warnen, wenn dieser destruktive Zustand nicht beendet wird, zumal ich, von dem neuen User Thermoflow beleidigt wurde und das nicht hinnehmen werde.

Die deutsche Seite von Wikitravel ist fast völlig zum Stillstand gekommen. Das ist auch das Ergebnis vom unfreundlichen Umgang mit neuen Autoren, die natürlich mit den Regeln eines Reisewikis nicht vertraut sind.

Aktuell geht es um den neuen User Florianmk, der sich hervorragend mit Berlin und Potsdam auskennt und begonnen hat gute Beiträge zu liefern. Das wird wird aber von einem anderen neuen User boykottiert, ebenfalls meine Beiträge. Wenn die deutsche Wikitravel-Seite noch irgend eine Chance haben soll, dann solltest Du hier Klarheit schaffen. Viele Grüße -- Knautschke (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

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Provides a way to attribute authors that may have originally provided their material in a publication other than Wikitravel and where it is partially used on Wikitravel within the terms of a licence or because it is public domain material.

As you are probably aware, the template produces a message within a rectangle at the foot of our page: "This article may contain pieces contributed by people external to Wikitravel, namely: [authors named in the template's argument(s)]"

I realise that the space available in an edit summary is strictly limited and you may be so busy with combating spam as to have little time to be anything more than cryptic in edit summaries, but I was perturbed by your edit summary on your recent edit to the template on our Niamey article of "articles were first created on WT, not WV". While this was certainly true of this article (and the vast majority of our articles), this is NOT the test to be applied!

This template's use is NOT limited to articles that were first created elsewhere but rather may be used where any of the current material in the relevant Wikitravel article still contains material that would not otherwise be credited in the article's edit history. --Ttcf (talk) 15:02, 5 November 2014 (EST)

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