User talk:Evan/Jan 2007
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Please direct the following questions to the right spots:
I am interested in contributing to WikiTravel.org. I already operate a credible tourism website for Western Australia and am seeking further exposure (Quid Pro Quo). I can't afford to spend time researching, writing and contributing if I cannot obtain anything in return such as a few links. Either you are running a business and so work with other business operators in a credible and effective manner, or you are running some sort of charity similar to Wikipedia and relying on donations. Obviously, you don't want to have the kind of links that would detract from your website, but links to well developed, valuable and informative websites could help to enhance your site. I don't want to put my website link here, but if you go to Google and search for Holiday WA we will most likely be listed at the top of the resulting page. See what you think, is this a type of site that you might possibly permit as an external link? Regards David
I like a lot the wikitravel project, but i thing a very important feature is missing: It is not allowed to add external link to find good address where to sleep! 80% of the people planing to travel will first be interresting by a guide to know good place where to sleep (and also to eat). I thing you must stop to forbid external link to resource showing good place where to sleep! Also, i thing that the most important contributor to the wikitravel guide will be the people who have some hotel/restaurant/etc because they are very interresting by the wikitravel project and also they know perfectly the area where they are ! if you stop to forbid them to add link to their resource, for sur they will become to be a good contributor to the wikitravel project !
For exemple if you go on the frejus city you will see: "Sleep: You can rent an apartment in Fréjus. It is cheaper than a 2, 3 or 4 * hotel, larger, more comfortable, practical, and... it feels like a real French experience!" Everyone read that are more interresting to know where they can rent these appartments ! don't you thing that it's the purpose of a travel guide ?
I was just in the process of replying on the articles talk page. As for the language situation it differs between various cities in Ukraine.
Transnistria is quite safe , I have lived there for six months as a westerner and it is safe, some embassys still issue a minor caution. It is a small country and for that reason it is easy enough for the poice there to control. I would like to work on the page Vlad Moko Dec 5
I don't have an informed opinion yet. Let me do some research and get back to you, probably tomorrow. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:58, 4 December 2006 (EST)
Sorry it took a while, but I've added a quick comment on the WikiOutdoors discussion. It looks like a neat idea, and hopefully the site takes off. Apologies for not looking into it more closely, but unfortunately real life has intervened, and for at least a couple of months my free time (particularly the 8:30 AM to 6:30 PM part) will be somewhat limited by that evil necessity that puts me in a cubicle in order to fund those trips to the Antartic... if only everyone had a cool travel web site that paid the bills! -- Ryan 22:58, 5 December 2006 (EST)
Did you happen to catch the name of a speaker at Wikimania that was discussing a project to catalog books, articles, music and video clips? He also passed around several books that were downloaded and printed in matter of minutes in a mobile van somewhere in India. If you happen to know either his or the organization's name I'd appreciate it if you could give those to me. Thanks. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 08:22, 5 December 2006 (EST)
Hey Evan, a quick question - is there a standard for bolded or unbolded titles when doing a list of, say, cities or regions? I've been doing some bolded recently (see 'get out' in Cox's Bazar) but figure I should ask before causing more work to undo later...
Also I've seen somewhere but can't find an example now, book listings, maybe a section called 'recommended reading'... is this ok, and I recall links to ISBN numbers and such... what's the policy? Cacahuate 08:08, 7 December 2006 (EST)
You can make a link to a book with Special:Booksources. [[Special:Booksources/0887761690|The Hockey Sweater]] will give The Hockey Sweater. More info at Meta:Help:ISBN links. Please, only links to backgrounders (history, fiction, detailed natural sciences, etc.), not travel guides. --Evan 08:27, 7 December 2006 (EST)
Evan, something you did when editing the recently moved (by me) Oberlin page proved incredibly and reproducibly toxic to my web browser. The screen is covered with something looking like
listingGetAttr(), called in /var/www/wikitravel/mw/extensions/Listing.php on line 219 and defined in /var/www/wikitravel/mw/extensions/Listing.php on
What did you do? Looks like you're experimenting with something that's blowing up. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:26, 7 December 2006 (EST)
Hi, Im just wondering about the charter bus pages being removed. I do not understand why group travel should not be a part of Wikitravel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
Apologies. I reverted to a previous version on this page although you had already done it long before. Sorry. Xania 14:40, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Any chance you might know why if you click "Edit" on one of the headers on Travel news it edits a different section? I.e. If you click "edit" for the "December" header you edit the "November" header. Should this be reported as a bug and if so since I think it's a EN specific bug where do you want it to be reported? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:13, 10 December 2006 (EST)
A few weeks ago you mentioned that you were going to try to add the area code function that Hypatia, you, and I had discussed on IRC. Any chance that may be coming soon? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:24, 11 December 2006 (EST)
Re: Two things
'lo Evan, thanks for moving it, that was exactly what I intended. I'll translate it to english whenever I have some time available...
And yeah, I know about the portuguese version - I'm working on a few translations that hopefully soon will be done!
Mattalves 19:33, 12 December 2006 (EST)
December 2006 discussions
I tried to add this section (without this line) to Wikitravel_talk:Phone_numbers, but kept getting "spam blocked".
If I want to add a similar "Today's log" to DE do I need to do anything more than create MediaWiki:Portal and MediaWiki:Portal-url, then add that MediaWiki:Sidebar?
Cities and towns
I believe the distinction User:Paul. was trying to make was that Anglicism whereby the word "city" denotes not the size of a settelment, but its legal status -- a city is a town with a royal charter. Hence Wells is a city even though it has only 10K citizens. Our use of the header "Cities" often seems to hurt the brains of our English contributors. -- Colin 20:05, 14 December 2006 (EST)
Ah, I was just about to respond here but I see I've been beaten to the punch. Colin pretty much covered it, but I do think it's useful to distinguish between the three in the case of the UK at least as there is a clear dividing line between cities, towns and villages. It's not a matter of controversy as cities, towns and villages all have different status and are clearly defined. That being said I agree that the "Cities, towns and villages" header is clumsy, but I just wanted to see if you'd be amenable to keeping the "cities" header but allowing for sub-headers, at least in the case of the UK. If you want to keep the discussion on Wikitravel talk:Region article template#Cities then I can move this over, but figured it worth posting here first to see if you had strenuous objections. --Paul. 17:40, 17 December 2006 (EST)
Starting new guides
Wikitravellers in Montréal
Thanks for the kind invite for some poutine in Montréal. Unfortunately my travel dates are now fixed, and I'm only in town from 28 December until the morning of 3 January, when I catch the Adirondack train en route to Chicago. Thanks for the kind offer, I'll be heading to La Banquise or maybe Frites Alors the very moment I get in from the airport :) --James 22:11, 20 December 2006 (GMT)
Would you please blank my user page? I want to see the "Edit Conflict" page when it's displayed. Thanks. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 23:18, 22 December 2006 (EST)
Apparently, our friends that helped you get eo off the ground haven't been around for a while and spammers have taken over. Since you have sysop status you may want to go and delete a few articles. I've updated the spam filter, but of course that won't stop everything. Since recent changes only keeps a partial history of the recent changes I can't tell just how much damage the spammers have done, but I do know you want to delete eo:Wikitravel:Wiki. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 05:05, 23 December 2006 (EST)
Yup, you pegged it. Thanks for the virtual cake -- maybe not as tasty as the real kind, but with the advantage of imparting only virtual calories! :-) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:18, 24 December 2006 (EST)
RE: Border towns
Greetings - I recently downloaded an image from World66. Could you confirm that that is ok according to Wikitravel copyleft policy. If not, I'll delete it, but if it is acceptable, then maybe I'll seek out others. Thanks a lot. WindHorse 11:05, 25 December 2006 (EST)
I sent you an email and if a word or two doesn't make sense that's because I think I may have hit "change" on the spell check one or two times too many. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:34, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Discussion about wikivoyage
Wiki for paper publications
I am enjoying making contributions to wikitravel. I have a file of climate information my colleagues and I have been working on for a couple of years now. I would like to contribute it over the next few months. I am inerested in starting a wiki myself: one so that writers of critical essays and articles on theatre and interdisciplinary arts can contibute and share their work. Is it ieasy to set up a wiki? Where does one go for software information and server requirements?
I on't know if I am using this user talk thing right. It didn't put my username on the posting-- It is Stephen Atkins
==Help Evan or X
i need help cleaning up and adding more.
If you would I'd appreciate it. I'm interested in seeing the past couple of years worth of edits stats for DE. I could have sworn that I came across a link to a page like that earlier this year, but for the life of me can't find one now. How far back can you go? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)
I have to head out for a little bit. Will you be available around 11:30 (EST)? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 07:17, 8 January 2007 (EST)
Hi Evan. I am incredibly impressed with this project, and equally impressed with your direct involvement (You've solved a couple of my probs personally, and i've only been doing this a couple of days). I have many photos which seem appropriate for some of the items that are discussed. Where and when do you want photos? WHen is it appropriate to complement an article with a photo, and what sort of photos are appropriate (Size?). Thanks Guavafruit
re: Recent changes patrol
Although our number of daily edits is still quite manageable by our small team, I think it would be cool if you enabled that feature on pt too. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 20:31, 11 January 2007 (EST)
I would prefer not to post to Wikitravel talk:Attraction listings. I don't really want to get involved with the technical aspects of wikitravel (I have enough of that at work). I am however rather enjoying making updates, as I have to remember places I have visited before and learn some new things about my country (I must have driven through Cradock 20 times in the last 5 years, but never know about the egg rock or tuishuise)
As for the way I was using the Wikitravel:Listings: I'm not at all happy with it either, but thought that I would leave them there and think about it for a short while. You are right, they need to be changed.
What I really wanted to do was
<do name="Skydiving" url="Skydiving">, i.e.
I'll back out the changes, I think there is only two in addition to the one you already changed.
Is Xroads ready for plugging?
The esparanto wiki seems to get bombarded with spam on a particular page. Since the page is not even in the normal namespace, perhaps it should be added to robots.txt to at least make the spam ineffective. -- NJR_ZA 10:54, 13 January 2007 (EST)
I have several RSS feeds for English language news services and German language news services. The German language RSS feeds have helped me relearn a few things that I've forgotten about German. The sites that I use are Welt  and Frankfurter Allgemeine , both of which are popular newspapers in Germany. Der Spiegel  is a Newsweek type of magazine so it's not very easy to comprehend everything printed in there, but if you want to challenge yourself it'll help. The only problem it poses for people beginning to learn German is that it's written in "written German" (Well, duh.). The problem with that is that verbs take a different form than spoken German and that can be very confusing. Also, this website is priceless with providing accurate instant translations for individual words and useful phrases. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:37, 14 January 2007 (EST)
Der Spiegel ist fuer Fortgeschrittene eine gut Hilfe, aber bei deinem armseligen Deutsch ist das wohl eine, nein zehn Stufen zu viel.
"user created account for..."
what does it mean in the new user creation log when it says
??? Cacahuate 06:16, 19 January 2007 (EST)
IB tag line
I edited the template on DE to include a <br/> so to seperate the copyright portion from the tag line. There doesn't seem to be any adverse effects. Also, Phil has suggested that it shouldn't be translated because the German equivalent sounds strange. Thanks for the help. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:26, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Thank you, now it's working. Dorgan 18:37, 20 January 2007 (EST)
User:Cacahuate to admin status?
Hey there, just a quick question since you're online... what's with all of the hotel websites that his person is adding that all end in ?r=947 like http://www.themerchanthotel.com/?r=947 - is this something fishy... like maybe getting a referral credit or something? ::: Cacahuate 11:47, 22 January 2007 (EST)
Difference between IsIn and IsPartOf ?
I see you have changed Western Cape. Other than the entry for IsPartOf not needing to be encoded, is there any other difference?
Evan, as you so kindly mentioned on Swedish Wikitravel Report for 23 December 2006, you asked which bug reports I thought should be prioritised. I have two "top issues" where I would like your assistance; Tech:HasDocent template - translation, etc and Tech:IsIn problem on sv:. I have updated them with as much information as I can, but if there is anything you need me to clarify, please let me know. I have asked a fello user to check the same bugs, and he has come up with the same problem. BR, Riggwelter 16:04, 22 January 2007 (EST)
We're having some serious problems with the cache on de. Pages aren't displaying correctly after someone edits a page and I'd really appreciate it if you could take some time and look over the problem, which I've noted on Shared. -- 220.127.116.11 21:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Hi Evan. Thanks for welcoming me. I don't think I'll be using this too often though. Do you mind if I ask if I can upload images from commons? It doesn't work like on Wikipedia. | AndonicO 08:18, 25 January 2007 (EST)
Hi Evan. Just wondering what the current deal with IB is... we don't seem to have heard much about the whole thing for a while! When's the merger with World66 going to happen? Just curious really - if you can't tell us, then I guess that's okay, but it would be nice to know! Tim 15:41, 25 January 2007 (EST)