I've added your name to Wikitravel:Administrator nominations. I know you're on the road right now, but it would make me pleased as punch if you'd be willing to take on this job. --Evan 01:18, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Thanks for informing me. We'd better dump it into the slush pile for the time being.
pictures are the major problem. Upamanyuwikitravel 10:12, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Yeah it is, but this trip is gonna be a bit more action, although it will be just as sociable! I'm planning to work on a project in Nairobi called FOCUS, which is basically a Christian project working in the slums of Nairobi which equips people from the local university to help the people in the slums. It should be pretty awesome - I've done similar work in High Schools in Maseru, Lesotho before. This FOCUS project is supported by Tearfund and I'll be out there for about 6 weeks or so. It's gonna be absolutely immense, and living, eating, sleeping Africa is a million times better than staying in the touristy confines of cities and game reserves. Maybe we could have a travel topic on here called making a difference through travel... -- Tim 09:38, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Great work on the Welcomes! Maj 23:17, 20 January 2007 (EST)
Nice cleanups on Swansea, etc! Just wanted to point out to you the templates for hotels, activities, etc... since you're doing so much manual of style work, you might as well convert listings using those :) If you haven't seen them already, they're accessible right from the "edit" box when you're editing a page, just scroll down a bit... they look like this: listing name="" address="" phone="" email="" fax="" hours="" price="" url=""></listing> Thanks again! ::: Cacahuate 11:57, 22 January 2007 (EST)
Thanks - it had needed doing for sometime. Yes, I had noticed the templates, and if I had used them from the beginning, I would have continued to do so. However, cutting each name, address, telephone number etc, etc and pasting it between the correct brackets is quite laborious and, to be honest, I felt that the general overall effect was about the same. Maybe in the future I can do it slowly, section by section. Anyway, thanks for your feedback and help. Frequenttrekker 22:22, 22 January 2007 (EST)
Thanks for pointing that out to me. I did just have a quick look at this site this guy claims to be from, and its not what i chonqed, so its okay! The one I chonqd was very different, and is definitely not this Dominica search page he mentioned! The one I chonqd is here .
As for unchonqing someone, it might be possible, but I'm not going to do it in this case - he added a completely unrelated link to our wiki, which constitutes wikispam. The whole point in spammers spamming wikis is that even when it gets editted out, the link is still sitting in the history pages, and thus whenever search engine bots come and read through all the links on wikitravel, his will get read, thus increasing his websites page rank. What chonqing a site does (I think!) is submits the offending link to a database of known wikispammers which gets passed onto search engines so that their pageranks are fair... Check out Wikitravel:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits#WikiSpam for more info! -- Tim 14:37, 25 January 2007 (EST)
Thanks for the Havelock tip!
Thanks a lot for the advice you gave me when I asked you about the Andamans! We had a great time on Havelock and the Island Vinnie's resort was just right! — Ravikiran 03:08, 31 January 2007 (EST)
The timing's gonna be tricky, because I'm flying in on Tuesday night. What time is your flight on Wednesday? Jpatokal 08:26, 4 February 2007 (EST)
I replied so it should be coming shortly... -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 12:36, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Hi there, you've left India...
Hey Cacahuate, I believe you're done with the 2 year trip. How was India like?? --Upamanyuwikitravel 05:17, 9 February 2007 (EST)
Take care -- Upamanyuwikitravel 10:12, 16 February 2007 (EST)
As you suggested, I have set up a page exclusively for Indian sacred sites. If you get time, please take a look. Your changes and suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks. WindHorse 04:26, 18 February 2007 (EST)
There doesn't seem to be any consensus yet on how to handle all of the mini-cities in LA (Talk:Hollywood (disambiguation) has some discussion, amongst other places), but I went ahead and created a North Hollywood article rather than put a sleep listing on a regional article - I'm worried that including hotels on region articles opens up a whole new front for the "which nine?" debate that is probably best avoided at all costs. If needed we can always redirect this article later, but it was already linked from the San Fernando Valley article so it probably would have been created eventually anyhow. -- Ryan 04:57, 18 February 2007 (EST)
I responded to your question on Shared. I can comb through the licenses and pick out the smallest differences but that will take me a while. -- Sapphire 19:19, 18 February 2007 (EST)
Hi there! Well, that's what I get for being too eager to help out (hehehe). I just noticed that there were a series of edits to Berneray being done by an anonymous IP (that is, an unregistered user: **.**.***.**), who was making mass deletions of information on the page. Since they weren't offering any sort of explanation as to why they were doing what they were doing, there was no way to verify that the deletions they were making were valid. So I reverted all the deletions that person had been making. I see that Wrh2 reverted them even further, so I guess I didn't go far back enough with the edits I made. Anyway, sorry for jumping the gun there. Oh, and yes, I've been doing a lot of work over on WikiCars as well. It's looking better every day, but it'll be quite a while before our community is as large as WT's. We have been trying to take some cues from WT, though, and it's been helpful. - Pastrami on Ry 17:34, 21 February 2007 (EST)
Hey - probably just an oversight, but in case not I just wanted to leave a quick note to say that if you delete a file that is on the VFD page like Image:Renee zellweger.jpg, be sure to remove the deletion discussion from the VFD page and to archive it on Wikitravel:Votes for deletion/February 2007. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Ryan 20:00, 21 February 2007 (EST)
Map template already being used
Regions in New Mexico
Uh, why did you make all those changes to the region structure for New Mexico? Both the parenthetical form and non-parenthetical ones are in use for states, and because New Mexico is a fairly well-developed state as regards sub-pages, now there is one heck of a lot of redirect-fixing that needs to be done. Could you at least help on that, please? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:57, 23 February 2007 (EST)
Thank you for your words. I agree with you about walking in old city.... I miss it too... Webkami 08:48, 26 February 2007 (EST)
Delhi to Jo'burg
The fanststic website
Hey I didn't recommend that site on Ravi's talk page, it was Ravi himself. I agree with you it's a truly wonderful site, I can get type in Bengali, Hindi AND Sanskrit now! Anyway, I'm trying to translate the main wikitravel pages so that we can launch a Hindi wikitravel. See this -- Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( Travel ) • 08:06, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
I have some questions for you I'd like to send by email. Can you email me at firstname.lastname@example.org or post your address here?
Babel in Hindi
No offence, Cacahuate, but the grammar is tragically wrong.
hi-0 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में नही है। Literal Translation : This user is not inside the Hindi langauge. You wanted to use the word for cannot comprehend and ended up using नही which means "no" or "is not".
hi-1 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में मूल है।
hi-2 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में मध्यवर्ती है।
hi-3 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में प्रवीण है।
hi-4 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में near-देशी है। Note: Deshi does not mean native in that sense. Maatribhaashaa is the correct word for native language.
hi यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में देशी है।
I will change the text.
Thank you sir, I knew you'd fix it up nicely! that was just a first taste of my Hindi grammar, I plan on mangling the language many more times in the near future... – cacahuate talk 02:47, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
Kein Problem. I'd be happy to correct and improve your Hindi, so that you can reach babel-2 :) some day....
Anyway, I must say I'm impressed by your vocab (मध्यवर्ती) wow!!!
anyway, could you make the hi project page, 2nd on navibar. just copy from en and try to translate, I'll correct the grammar. and if you think you can't do some bits, leave them, i'll help you later. Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( Travel ) • 00:26, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
Because you are laughing about actual crimes that have been committed.
Not to worry, I knew... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:51, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
I like it. Putting the symbols on their own layer and separate from Annotation(en) is a brilliant idea, that makes translating it a lot easier since someone can just create a Annotation(other language) layer and translate that to match what you already have. I think we should make the Symbols layer part of the template and note it in Wikitravel:How to draw a map. Only problem I see with your map is the font. You should install and use Blue Highway  or here  --NJR_ZA 08:03, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
I'm not very familiar with the area, but that does seem to make sense from a travel point of view. Most travelers visiting Uganda will probably do it while visiting East Africa and enter it either from Kenya or Tanzania. The Uganda article already states that it is in East Africa (Though the breadcrumb states it is in Central Africa). I think we should go ahead and move it. --NJR_ZA 03:18, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
Would you mind writing the HI go-between reports for May and June? I'm leaving for Calcutta tomorrow (yipee!) ... and although I'm taking my laptop, wi-fi hotspots are pretty limited out there... so I doubt if I will be able to log in more than once-a-week. And there are many tasks which need to be done on HI —
So that guy who stated he got yelled at was likely this same guy:
There are more IPs he used , but I'm not looking for all of them. He never really got yelled at, but he was criticized, sometimes harshly, because he would create articles for non-destinations and out of several hundred articles I think we kept no more than five(?) We tried for months and months to get him to take the time, breathe, make sure the article he was about to create was actually a real destination. It wasn't. We then tried baby steps like using a template, but that was too complicated. I think the toughest we got were my comments on User_talk:126.96.36.199#Moved from Zun kune by Sapphire. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 18:55, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
Ah yes, I've come across some of those before... didn't realize that was (probably) the guy... oh well... yeah, does sound like he lives in Brisbane... what's with those people? Hehe. – cacahuate talk 20:53, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
i see you've taken a liking to some of my photos? two from herat and one from balkh? the last one (balkh) is on the commons, so i would suggest removing it and linking there. and how about i upload the other ones to the commons too? check my user page there and i add them somewhere in the next few hours. can't get the interwiki link to work so take this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bluuurgh
2 Islands of New Zealand are NOT regions
Hey, good to hear from you. Sorry, cannot enlighten you on this subject, though I can blow one myth. I use Firefox almost exclusively, but have never experienced the problems you or Celticevergreen mentioned. So, I guess we all have to wait for Evan to shine some light of wisdom on the mystery. Take it easy. WindHorse 03:08, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
Yes, only administrators may edit MediaWiki files. The reason being so because these files are sensitive to site performance and security. Imagine if someone used the MediaWiki:Sitenotice to link to a virus.
I'm not sure if it's something that's uniquely LA and thus worth mentioning in the Los Angeles article, but bacon dogs are fairly ubiquitous late at night, especially in Hollywood. As to Salvadoran vegetarian food, cookbookwiki.com lists a bunch of recipes, but I've never seen any in the city; of course, I've only been to one Salvadoran restaurant here... -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:16, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
New search engine
Could you check out the new search engine on review (http://wikitravel.org/review/Special:Search) and give your feedback on shared:Tech:Lucene search? It's a faster, more accurate and more extensible search engine than the default one that comes with MediaWiki; it's also the one that Wikipedia uses. --Evan 12:42, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
Image VFD procedure
Wikitravel:Deletion policy#Deletion procedure says "a Wikitraveller should do any preparatory work (like orphaning an image, or combining the article with one it duplicates) and then put a link to the article or image on the votes for deletion page" - so I've removed Image:Roopam.jpg (which you VFD'd) from the Puri article. ~ 188.8.131.52 05:46, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Hi, thanks for the tip, I changed the license on the one map you did not change. Tensaibuta 06:58, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Thank you for the barn lotus. It's....lovely. Also, I really appreciate your easy going way of dealing with situations. It really helps smooths things along. Take it easy (ps. hope you can realize your wish to return to India sometime soon). Thanks again for the lotus. WindHorse 12:34, 21 June 2007 (EDT)
You said: NotYet to the logo, but I love the concept. I like green, but it's just not quite extraordinary enough yet. Sorry I can't help with the actual design, but I'll know something great when I see it!
Yeah the net has made railway booking pretty effortless. Is it possible to put up a link for the indian railways?Kroswami 12:36, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
Wes, you had some feedback about the code to tech:optionally split long guides into one page per section. Since I've got a new version of software on review: to do this, I'd love to get your feedback on the shared: tech page. --Evan 13:29, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
Since I'm a Rus-ophile
Thanks for the article! You know, I think the scariest thing about that youth group is that they've managed to get any Russian kids to support a pro-conscription movement—who the heck would want to serve in the Russian Army?! --Peter Talk 15:58, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
Apologies for adding an image released under an incompatible license (Image:373296152 5f5620faf9.jpg). I've had a look at the WT licensing policy, and for future reference would like to confirm. On Flickr, there are six kinds of CC license (). Is it only the top on the list, Attribution 2.0, and the bottom one of these six, Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0, that are compatible with WT licensing. Thanks for your help. Frequenttrekker 04:20, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
Florida Page complete??
I noticed that there is a tag on the florida page, I added much, do you think that the page is complete now?. or does it still need more information. Also can I remove the tag or does someone else remove it. Thanks. Flowergirl 23:38, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
Edits on de:?
Some anonymous user has droped a message on my [[de:Benutzer Diskussion:Hansm#[en] Signature|de: talk page]], claiming to be Cacahuate. Was that realy you? -- Hansm 09:49, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
I really like this photo. I wish I was with you when you were watching the beggar. I know exactly what you mean when you wrote that you watched him forever – you develop a relationship with someone without even knowing them. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 08:12, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
Any idea how to fix the dab on Rincón? -- Fastestdogever 18:37, 6 August 2007 (EDT)
So, Maj, Amita June and I will be in Southern Cal next week. Would you like to try and get together for lunch or coffee? We might be able to get Ryan or other SoCal folks to come. --Evan 14:00, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
I understand what you're saying, but this doesn't need heavy artillery: he's not going to convert anybody to his cause with an "Oops", and there's no need to make him a martyr... Jpatokal 03:53, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Cacahuate, on Gaimhreadhan's talk page you left the following message:
== Hello? == I hope you didn't really leave based on our NZ discussion. It's not that serious :) – cacahuate talk 20:47, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
If this is the same Gaimhreadhan who was on wikipedia (which I believe to be the case), you may wish to see this , as he has passed on. Just thought you'd like to know. --The.Q 06:06, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
Hello, upamanyu here. I'm really sorry that I can't find time these days to stay online. School work's really become hectic. Thankfully we have a month off in October/November, so I'll try to contribute then. Anyway, have to rush now, my mom's dragging me to watch ratatouille. Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( Travel ) • 07:34, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
Hi there! you replaced the following images back in the Kabul article and said to stop removing them. Can you explain why these images are so important? I'm not here for edit war, I'm from Afghanistan and just trying to show images of the more interesting places in the article rather than focusing on the least important things. The image of street food vendors are common in every city of the world, it's not just in Kabul. We need to show images that are more related to Kabul.--Creative 11:13, 7 September 2007 (EDT)
I'm so not interested in turning this into a heated argument, and please don't take it personally. I think you've made valuable contributions to Afghan articles, and I thank you for that. I'm only concerned with one part of your recent changes to Kabul, and that is, through your edits, it seems you were deleting images of the "old" Kabul (the street food and the shah m books images) and replacing with the glitziest places in the city (city center, serena). For the record, I spent plenty of time in the City Center, and ate everywhere from the street food stalls, kabob restaurants and the resold US military meals up to the buffet at the Serena and restaurants like L'Atmosphere, so no, my view of the city is in no way limited. I've traveled extensively, have seen a lot of other cities to compare Kabul too, and I assure you, the few places that have set up shop to cater to foreigners and to aid workers are far from summing up Kabul. If you don't agree that's fine, my word isn't golden... All I ask is, that if you're simply adding information from your perspective, as you say, that you don't delete other perspectives in the process. Your perspective seems to be that of a business traveler, but don't forget the travelers/backpackers too... those groups have very different interests a lot of the time, and we should be catering to both ends of the spectrum and everything in between. If you look back into the history of the Kabul article, you'll find that I've contributed to both.
Regarding the image deletion, as I recall it was very similar in content, but just not as good of quality...and it went through the normal VFD procedure, with no objections. I didn't speedy delete it. – cacahuate talk 19:20, 10 September 2007 (EDT)
Bunya Mountains National Park
Thank you for your syntaxic correction on the page Bunya Mountains National Park. I now understand how I have to use the template "sleep" correctly. DeepPurple.
Park name translation
May I ask you an advice ? I would like to start an article about the Parc naturel régional des Boucles de la Seine normande. Which name do I have to choose on the English Wikitravel ? The official French name (as it is also referenced on the English Wikipedia) or some traduction like the Regional natural park of the Boucles de la Seine normande. Or something else ? Thank you for your advice, DeepPurple 14:20, 17 September 2007 (EDT).
A wikipedian (Wolf) wanted to know whether विकिट्रैवल should be replaced by a hindi word. As far as I know, most of the language versions stick with "wikitravel" (except Jap.). His intial suggestions were
Personally, I'm noe comfortable with either of these. "यात्रा" means "journey", it does not refer to "travel" per se. And भ्रमण is way too Sanskritized. If we need a Hindi name, I'd go for विकिपर्यटन
As I understand things, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, while Wikitravels is a travel guide. I have created separate articles for Bandarban on both projects, and they carry very different types of information (though, both are in bad shapes). You see, a sentence like "Famous for its XX, the YY is one of the most exciting places to visit in ZZ" may be deemed as pure advertisement in Wikipedia, while making suitable material for Wikitravles. It is all because of the different nature of the projects. One projects burden can always be another projects delight. Like Wikipedia has explicit policy aganist original research, while Wikitravels would accept nothing but original research. I am sure Wikitravels would not be too delighted to have details of geological structures ad clay formations like I am putting into another place article in Wikipedia. Aditya Kabir 06:16, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Looking for help
There's a lot of image on the Bandarban page that would be better displayed as a gallery. Does Wikitravel accommodates image galleries? If it does, what are the codes I can make use of? Aditya Kabir 09:17, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
I've been on temporary hiatus, but I noticed your comments on the Mylakeplacid user page. Yes, they are the visitors bureau, and I've been in email contact with them to confirm that. They may still be unclear about some copyleft issues but to produce guides in our style, according to our rules, is sincere. If you catch them in a violation, just send a gentle reminder. Gorilla Jones 18:48, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Wikitravel talk:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikitravel a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.
I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:47, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
Check me on this=
Why was my 'Safety' contribution for St. Martin's Isd. Bangladesh deleted?
Not even 2 days ago I put some safety tips in the aformentioned section. I read the rules. I wrote professionally. I have been to this place. I wrote nothing insulting or vulger. It's okay for the person to post that you can get alcohol if you ask for it, but a warning on legalities gets deleted...really. If this pedia is to be of any use to any sincere traveler, those safety concerns I spent an hour carefull adding, would be some of the most important information....especially for non Bangladeshi people. If you check the internet, or even a travel agency, they don't have much to offer on this trek. My contribution comes from my experience and stories that others who have been there have shared with me. What's the problem?
Teknaf is notorious for human trafficking and pickpocketing. If you are a lone non Asian woman, which when you see female 'foreigners', that's what they most often are, can you honestly suggest she stay in Teknaf overnight alone? Look, I'm not out to down Bangladesh. St. Martin's is like a baby to me. I know you don't want to get me started on environmental stuff and contamination of the 'indiginous' islanders...like there's any saving it at this point. My point is, if you are not of 'general' South Asian looks..how can I say this... if you are Anglo looking, or dark skinned, but not Asian, you will be forced to pay double for stuff, if not just close to it. You can try going to 20 different vendors (not that there's space enough for much more on island), but it's like they all have a conspiracy...a set low price specifically for 'American' looking people. When I visit Bangladesh, I am there with my family. I don't stay in a hotel, don't have a generator, know the meaning of 'current neye'. I am not Asian or Bangladeshi. Donning a full borqua, speeking Bangla (I am sure with quite an accent), out shopping with my spouse or inlaws, we all become subject to high haggling because of me. They see my eyes and my hight, and they know. So, just imagine what all those backpackers get that go over there to Narikel Jinjera. Usually backpackers are making pit stops and have quite a ration for funds, so imagine if you read the prices, and next you end up spending double for every life sustaning need you have, not too mention the fun stuff. I advise a travel agent for 'foreigners' because it's a tough trip, and cosidering the conversion rate, what's the big deal. It takes a ton of stress out of it, you still get all of the exposure to the day to day stuff, with just a speck of security. You can't beat someone actually understanding what's being blasted on a bull horn carried on a rickshaw, and avoiding getting stuck at the bus station/stop, or not finding a ride due to an instant hartal. I can't see how you could remove that stuff from 'safety'. If it applies to Bangladesh, well St. Martin's isn't in Burma, now is it? The tides are changing in St. Martin. It's becoming a place where, pretty soon, you'll see non Desi's bringing their families...if it survives. I love that island. I obsess over it. I know more about it than my Bangladeshi side. I think there should be alot more on environmental awareness, also...like if someone should try to sell you a baby turtle, a chunk of coral to refuse it. Or how there was all of this international funding from the turtle people (can't recall the organization's name, but just google ridley turtle st. martins)..how the turtle sanctuary is at a standstill..how there has been next to nothing on the lines of training the original islanders about eco tourism. Now the water is so full of sewage that dead turtles, hatchlings, dolphins and fish are washing up dead on the beaches. But it's funny that no one knows why. And about the ferries.. talk to the locals. The 'captains' of the ferries overload the boats, ride even during storm and high surf warnings. Yes this applies to Bangladesh, yes you MUST take a ferry to get to Narikel Jinjera. Research ferry loss. It is astounding. My message is go to Narikel Jinjera, but tread lightly, and don't buy natural trinkets. Smell the fresh salty air mixed with lovely curry odor. See the sunlight twinkling through the palms. And when you get home, write to Bangladesh's parks department about what needs to be done, so the island will still be there for your kids to see. Did you know that it was home to some indiginous gastropods and corals only found on that island? Was. Btw, you didn't just remove lines. You obliterated the whole safety section, disected a few and put them in a new area. Which considering how much off island people traffice the island gets now, it should be treated like the mainland. Women's modesty is a safety rule. When men don't do it, they just get laughed at. Women risk almost deffinite harrasment and occasional assalt. Maybe in Dhaka a girl could get away with it, but not on the island. There's a lot of 'grabbing' in past and present.
Yeah, I took that travel plan down to keep my hopes from getting up. If I do get there my base will now be Delhi, rather than Mumbai (I'm not sure if that's a plus or a negative), and some arcane politicking might prevent me from going altogether now. Few places in the world I'd rather explore than India, though... --Peter Talk 13:30, 20 November 2007 (EST)
Actually, I added the VFD, not the vandal. My reasoning was that if we follow the process rigorously, (1) the clown might see how out of bounds he is (although I doubt it), and (2) we'll be able to speedy-keep it the next time he makes a fuss, while still being completely within our procedures and policies.
Incidentally, I just added something to the policy talk page expanding on the vandalism question. Your opinion on that would be appreciated; Nick's analysis looks right to me. (BTW, feel free to continue that discussion via the admins mailing list if you think it would be better that way.) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 00:25, 26 November 2007 (EST)
The search for the best Malai Kofta ever
Fanari Villas challenge
I have prepared a draft responding to your challenge. Please join the discussion back in Wikitravel talk:Accommodation listings#more details than 1-3 sentences per establishment. --DenisYurkin 08:09, 9 December 2007 (EST)