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Hello, Binbin! Welcome to Wikitravel.

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Hello, Binbin ![edit]

Welcome to Wikitravel.

Thank you for your interesting contributions to our Malaysia article!

To help you contribute, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and our house style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

However, even more important than following every guideline is to PLUNGE FORWARD and write something useful – someone might be along to help with the proper formatting later if we're both lucky...

Add your home town, or a place you know well or write some insider tips - but don't use first person pronouns.

It was a good idea to create your own user account on Wikitravel because it will now provide you various benefits:

  1. easier communication with other writers about your edits and travel tips via your very own User Talk Page
  2. choose to turn off advertising or Orbitz (in your Account Settings)
  3. credit for your travel writing and edits, which will all be attributed to you rather than just an IP address
  4. your contributions will become more trusted as you become familiar to other Wikitravellers as a frequent editor with a history they can check

If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. We're looking forward to seeing you again here on Wikitravel! --118dot93dot73dot30 19:38, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

Personal experience?[edit]

I take it this edit results from direct observation rather than hearsay?

Congratulations on your lightning promotion to admin status - would you mind if I copyedited your rather controversial Malaysia contribution? --118dot93dot73dot30 19:42, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

I suppose Binbin just restored the content deleted by and brought it back to your revision from 18 Apr 2013 [1]. It means that his contribution wasn't controversial as he did not put any original content. should be asked for the reason why he deleted the content as this could help us understand why it was deleted. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2013 (EDT)
Fair point.
However, all my edit that you referenced did was what it said on the tin: copyedit (I used the abbreviation "ce." in my edit summary). When I copyedit I do not necessarily make a judgement call on the material I am copyediting.
By restoring what another (IP) editor made the decision to delete, I would have thought that Binbin was implying agreement with the (restored) rather controversial material (otherwise why restore it?) - hence my (unanswered) 2 questions to Binbin above. --118dot93dot73dot30 04:39, 30 April 2013 (EDT)


test. --Binbin (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2014 (EST)


Please take a look at User:Surgeon78m... --Ttcf (talk) 00:28, 18 February 2014 (EST)

Hi Ttcf, thank you very much for your message. Yes, he's definitely a spammer. And I've blocked this user. Warm regards. --Binbin (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2014 (EST)
Thanks! --Ttcf (talk) 01:05, 18 February 2014 (EST)


Thank you for your kind words, Binbin! Being a Rome resident myself (and annoyed by the inaccuracies which one can find in most guidebooks) I decided to put my skills to good use...

Quirite (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

Hi Quirite, thank you so much for leaving a warm message here on my talk page. I really appreciate this as well as your genuine and valuable contributions to Rome out of your pride to your hometown as well as your earnest willing of helping others. I hope we can stick together and make the information about (at least) our hometowns just a bit more accurate. If you need any help at all in your edit, please feel free to let me know. I will be more than happy to help you out. Warm regards. --Binbin (talk) 22:46, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

Miami- South Beach[edit]

Hello Binbin, I noted your edits to the tours of South Beach; however, if you believe an independent traveler could provide the same experience for themselves, I'm going to have to assume you've never been to South Beach.

There is no possible way a traveler can independently walk around South Beach and fulfill the substance of either tour on their own. There are no guide signs, no plaques, or anything else of that nature in the city. It is a disservice to travelers to remove tours that they are unable to replicate on their own.

Assuming they can get the information from the Wikitravel page is incorrect. At this point the history of Miami Beach is so far off that is is embarrassing. For example, there was never any 'unsettled farmland' in Miami Beach. When the Lums (who were a father and son, not brothers) arrived in Miami Beach to farm coconuts (which wasn't until 1882,) the land was a mangrove forest that they had to clear. The Lums never left any land to John Collins, Collins never came to Miami in 1894 (the Lums project was still going on into 1895!) and when he did come it wasn't to expand the land or find fresh water. The Lummus brothers (who are not mentioned by name in the article) bought land from Charles Lum, not John Collins. Carl Fisher never took over the Collins Bridge project from John Collins, he loaned him the money, and in return Collins gave Fisher land in Miami Beach; which is how he (Fisher) got his start there. South Beach is not an incorporated town, Miami Beach is. South Beach was a ghetto in the 80's, as well as into the 90's. The Mariel Boatlift had a huge impact on Miami, including the beach. The designation of the Art Deco historic district, architectural elements, and architects themselves are also nowhere to be found.

It's definitely mind boggling that we need to provide a link to a Kenneth Cole store (I guess visitors can't find that independently?) but assume they can figure out the history and significance of South Beach on their own. --DNevens (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2014 (EDT)

You might want to continue this discussion at Talk:Miami_Beach/South_Beach#Deletion so that other editors can voice their opinions as to whether an exception should be made to Wikitravel:Activity_listings#Tour_listings. It sounds like you know enough about the history of the area to develop an itinerary! --Ttcf (talk) 19:07, 13 March 2014 (EDT)
Ttcf- I am new here and trying to get the hang of this. It looks as though Binbin is some sort of an admin which is why I left the message here. Now that I am rereading it I apologize if it sounded a bit harsh. I am currently out of state caring for a sick family member and when I found Wikitravel and saw how big a mess the South Beach page was, I thought it was a perfect opportunity to help people while also getting my mind off current issues. I would be happy to develop itineraries and edit the page so it is factual and of assistance to people that want to visit South Beach, but I don't want to waste my time if my contributions, contributions I thought were helpful considering they are official, well respected tours of the area, are going to just be deleted. It makes me nervous going forward that any work put into the page will just be in vain. --DNevens (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
Yes, Binbin is one of the hard-working and conscientious IBadmins here at Wikitravel.
(IBadmin means that he was appointed by Internet Brands, Inc - the owners of Wikitravel rather than selected by the community of editors in an rfa. Here's the list of IBadmins.)
I do hope that your loved one makes a speedy and complete recovery.
I do understand that it can be very frustrating having somebody delete your work - that's why I really would encourage you to discuss what you would like to contribute at Talk:Miami_Beach/South_Beach - who knows, we might be able to either agree an exception or that your contributions will actually fall outside our usual tour policy.
I think I've been editing on this site longer than anyone (except possibly User:Nurg) and in the last decade or so (and especially in the last couple of years) I've seen a lot of editors come and go. It certainly seems like you have the essentials of local knowledge and an easy to read prose style, David... --Ttcf (talk) 04:29, 14 March 2014 (EDT)
Hi DNevens, thank you for such a detailed and thorough explanation. You are right, I've never been to South Beach (would love to though). Again, I'm sorry that I deleted part of your contributions. Yes, what you mentioned does make sense, and the listings help the travelers to explore the culture and past of South Beach. Please understand that I didn't delete these listings to discourage you from more contributions, but because of our policy does not generally allow walking tour. Now I'm putting back your listings. I hope you can put a word or two on the Talk:Miami_Beach/South_Beach#Deletion, so that other editors may understand it. I really hope your family member will get well soon. Meanwhile I'd really appreciate it if you can put this unpleasant episode aside and continue to add more valuable information about Miami Beach/South Beach and more. Best wishes, --Binbin (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Hi Binbin and Ttcf, Thank you both for your kind words. Thank you Binbin for reinstating the tour posts. I will definitely put a note on the South Beach page. I apologize again for being rude in my original reply. I will definitely continue adding to the South Beach page, and will also look at the Miami page as I know both areas very well. --DNevens (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

DNevens, awesome you joined our traveller's community and that you would like to help us improve our Miami Beach/South Beach. I deleted all the tours, however, because in my opinion they are not in line with our Tour policies. I started a discussion about in in the article talk page. As beautiful as South Beach is, I don't think this article deserves a "special exception" from our well-established guidance. I'd rather see your time and effort devoted to developing all the other section of the article than the tour itself. Warm regards and all the best to your family, IBAlex (talk) 14:02, 14 March 2014 (EDT)


Hi Binbin, thanks for your message. I'll definitely keep adding to the wiki as my travels progress. If you want to see where my wife and I have been, you can check out our blog policies and guidelines :-) - OoDoh6ei (talk) 02:08, 5 April 2014 (EDT)

Thank you OoDoh6ei for your message here. Great places you are travelling to. Enjoying your days and look forward to seeing more of your contributions. Cheers! --Binbin (talk) 04:07, 6 April 2014 (EDT)

Your edit on food tours[edit]


Thank you for your suggestion, but food tours are actually value-added service (since most food tours bring visitors to local restuarants that are not touristy adjusted). You can see that food tours are listed on many wiki travel pages

The list of food walks are very common across Wikitravel pages.

Hi there, thank you for the message. Yeah, on retrospect, you are right. Sorry for my deletion. I see you've reverted my edit. So, great job I have to say. Please keep your good work up! Cheers. --Binbin (talk) 00:09, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

Thank you[edit]

Hi Binbin,

Thank you for the welcome message. I'm quite new to wikitravel and to confluence type of projects, so please bear with me if I make any mistakes... I'm a fast learner though :)

Take care Learnro (talk) 20:33, 7 October 2014 (EDT)

Hi Learnro, thank you for dropping a word on my talk page. I see you've made some very good contributions to Wikitravel. Great job! I'm sure you will be familiar with things here real quick as you contribute and read more. But also please do feel free to ask if you have any questions at all. We will very much be looking forward to more of your contributions. Cheers! --Binbin (talk) 03:52, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

Lake toba[edit]

Hello Binbin

Please do not edit lake toba get in,because this information about transport very important to traveller who comes to lake toba,especially our country indonesia,please help our area about information for they trip,because to lake toba hard to find information about transport.thank you—The preceding comment was added by Indomaret (talkcontribs)

Hi, apologies, I basically copied the code from cycle canton above which has a web address. First time posting. Will do again without the website. —The preceding comment was added by Bob2000 (talkcontribs)

Hi Bob2000, thank you for the message. Generally, we don't allow content copied from other site, [[secondary sources, and of course first person pronouns and touting are not allowed in Wikitravel articles. So if and when your contribution is reverted, it's the best if you can check if your contribution is in line with our policies. But again, thank you for reaching out to me. And I will be looking forward to more of your constructive contributions. Cheers! --Binbin (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Answer STILL needed[edit]

You may wish to answer the direct question you have been asked at User talk: --Babaying balikbayan (talk) 06:44, 30 January 2015 (EST)

Yes, Binbin, it is more than a week now and I really do need a YES or NO answer (on my talk page, please - NOT here) to the question that I posed: "Do I have your permission to move part of this discussion there, please?"
PLease read my talk page carefully and reply there, so that (if you give permission) it's quite clear where the discussion came from... -- 07:52, 1 February 2015 (EST)

One specific question and one general question[edit]

Hello. I noticed that you edited this edit made by another user yesterday. Indeed, initially he linked the hostel name to the secondary source but then corrected himself and changed the secondary source to the hostel's facebook page. That was done because the hostel's web page is turned off now, probably permanently. Many companies are switching from regular web pages to the facebook, both business and government/municipality institutions, among them branches of Tourism Department. It's some sort of recent trend. And back to that hostel - their e-mail address is changed to the new Gmail address, this has certain merits for small business. So, some of hostel staff or some of visitors tried to correct this listing. You reverted it - and now external link does not work again, and the e-mail does not work again. My specific question: although it looks like it was linked to the secondary source, it actually wasn't, so no violations were made. May i bring back the edits of that another user? I prefer not to bother and if there are some other reasons to support your edit i'll easily agree, but so far it looks senseless. I'd like to hear you reply. It's extremely uncomfortable to revert admin's edit :) .

And my second question is general: it's rather common (at least in LT) that regular web pages disappear and companies are switching to Facebook, or to some more general domestic web sites that may look like a secondary source but actually it is the only one (and primary) source. I don't mean eg "Booking" or any similar international web site, i mean either facebook or some domestic websites that carry several (say) hotels/hostels/guesthouses descriptions and work as some sort of a board for those who has no their separate account or web page. I predict that i will make such corrections to the existing listings and some admins will revert them. I came across this several times. May i revert them every time, indicating that this is not a secondary source or something? I want to avoid unnecessary misunderstandings. So would my (or anyone else's) such edits and reverts be acceptable? Or should i behave in some different way in order to avoid misunderstandings in the future (then what is that way)? I simply don't dare to "touch" the incomprehensible edits made by admins and do leave them "as is" although they mislead the travelers/readers. --Local (talk) 12:15, 4 April 2015 (EDT)

Hi Local, thank you for raising this question. I'm sorry that my and/or other admins' edits may mislead the travellers/readers. Please understand that we are making every effort to keep Wikitravel in good shape for the travellers around the world. My answer to your specific question: yes, please revert my edit.
To your general question: you are right, it always a bit tricky when it comes to external links especially when the office website of a business is changed to a social networking site link. Of course you can revert my or other admins' edit if and when you are sure that that business does not have any other official web presence, and please let a brief line in the "Summary" column when you do so. Please read our policies about what not to link to before you make any such edit. Again, if you find my and/or other admins' edits are not correct, please by all means correct them for us. You attention and help is very much appreciated. Thank you! --Binbin (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2015 (EDT)
Thanks for sufficient explanation and encouragement. WT written policies are clear for me, just there are some "unwritten policies", or at least that looks like it, these are totally unclear to me :) . I reverted your edit, added brief explanation why. Thanks again. --Local (talk) 05:57, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

Around the world in 80 days[edit]

I removed much of the content for the get in to New York because it was much too detailed. Every bit of information for the options of getting to or between the airports was provided. A user only needs a general overview of how to get there. The transportation to the starting airport should not be the main section. New York is a good place to start this journey, but not the only one in the world. Also, it seemed as if this long section was copied directly from the get in section of the New York City article. --Kfinger (talk) 14:10, 18 May 2015 (PDT)

Question about deleted post.[edit]

Hi Binbin,

thanks for contacting me about my post on Usti nad Labem. However, I still dont understand fully why you deleted it? How does it not fit in with the site policies? I had only put in a few lines because I wanted to see if it worked and had planned to add to it later. The nearby, smaller city of Decin has a page. As Usti is recovering from a lot of economic hardship and beginning to promote tourism and has at least enough things to keep a traveller busy for a long weekend, I thought it would be good to for it to have a wikitravel page. If you can let me know what was wrong and if you have nay other tips for writing my first page I'd be grateful. cheers,


Hi Andy, thank you for reaching out to me here. Yes I did delete Ústí nad Labem because there's basically no information at all in that article, even in the introduction section. So I assumed that this is another blank page created for no purpose at all (we do have users who created dozens of blank articles), and I deleted it. Thank you for your explanation for your good intention. I've restored the article. You can proceed to edit it now. Sorry that I make that wrong assumption. However, please do have a look at our policies and guidelines and style before you edit it and other articles. Again, thank you so much for reaching out to me and your intention of editing Ústí nad Labem. We will be looking forward to your valuable contributions soon. Please do feel free to contact me if you have any questions at all. Thank you! --Binbin (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
Hi Binbin,
Thank you so much for your nice reply. I will try and add some more to the post on Usti over the next few weeks. Maybe it would have been better to start with adding to a page that had already been written. However, I will give it a try! cheersm ANdy
Hi Andy. No problem. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions at all. Cheers! --Binbin (talk) 03:06, 21 July 2015 (EDT)


Hi Binbin: Thanks for your message on my page. It's encouraging to read your words. Once again, thanks and God bless you! User:AntonioMartin (User talk:AntonioMartin) 22:05, 2 September, 2015 (UTC)

Hi AntonioMartin, thank you for contacting me here. Please do let me know if you have any questions at all. And once again, we are looking forward to your valuable contributions. Cheers! --Binbin (talk) 06:30, 7 September 2015 (EDT)



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