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Hi there, I must apologize first sorry I didn't see that section of the spam list advising against adding hotels so sorry about that. However I do appreciate that you don't want the entire page to become like trip adviser just advertising hotel after hotel, but if you look at the hotel in particular I was trying to add to the page it actually offered a cheaper rate of stay than any of the other ones available. So surely wouldn't you want to have the extremes of both ends of the scale. Showing the users what they can get with a large amount of money but also showing what can be bought with no money. As a budget traveler I always look for the cheapest option and the ones shown in the budget section are to costly for my budget, however I can stay at the yellow inn quite happily because of the rate they charge. And I just thought that other people travelling in a similar style to me would have appreciated having this information before they got to Kathmandu. Thank you for you time. —The preceding comment was added by Joejohnson36 (talkcontribs)

Hi Azdas You reverted my pages[edit]

Adzas, Obviously I want to stay in the guidelines because the is a great resource. The Listings I put up are no different than this one They just formatted their description different. I read the guidelines and the business address is given. These are for short term holidays the same as a hotel. These are not permanent residence listings. The one I don't see is the consensus. There isn't a difference with resorts that offer villas and apartments or offering villas. If my description needs work I will certainly do it. Might we talk? Thanks much, and actually thanks for looking out for me on my first day. Best George —The preceding comment was added by Gheliason (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your message George, and again welcome to Wikitravel! I can see your point, the formatting of the listings was ok, but in general we don´t add booking sites for apartment rentals, and if it is decided that a listing is ok to keep, then we don´t add the same listing to various pages, only to one page/article, of the place where the business has an actual office. For that reason yours were removed. Also, using Albufeira as the example, there are so many real estate agents there who are also renting out apartments and villas, we don´t want them all to list their business, Wikitravel would become a Yellow pages which we want to avoid. If you still feel your listing should be added, then please discuss on the Talk page first. I hope this clarifies your question. Don´t hesitate to contact me if anything else, we appreciate your time and efforts and hope to see valuable travel information from you here on Wikitravel! Kind regards, Astrid Adzas (talk) 11:16, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
Hi again, And thanks again. I can see why you thought I was spamming you now. I wasn't thinking about what I was doing and thought they were separate articles, not the same. My bad on that one. Yes, I would like the listing but only one location for each site. One in Algarve and the other in Costa del Sol. All the villas are locally owned and maintained. Another thing that may be a resource for you if you are interested. In Algarve there is a group called "Playocean." Its businesses from each town in the Golden Triangle. would really be a great resource to your article. If you want to know what to do in Algarve, these are the tourist businesses. We joined in with them but haven't had time to be active yet. They have their community through facebook pages and support each other alot. If you want I can contact them. Let me know "how" you would want them listed. I honestly want to promote the local businesses. They are very kind people.I can also write about some of the less known venues, activities etc. The area has a lot to offer. Best regards, George —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)
Hello George, thanks again for your feedback as well. Don´t worry, I was not thinking that you were spamming, just the links did not meet our policies and guidelines. Having looked at the links again, I still believe they are not meeting our listing requirements. The Golden Triangle site also offers Real Estate for sale, and the Azure Holidays link covers different countries and does not have physical offices in those places, which is a requirement for a listing. To reach consensus about this subject (as you say you do want those listings) will have to go via the talk page of the articles (talk page) so others can add their input, not just me. With regards to the Playocean site, this is seen as a secondary source, which we also don´t add to our articles. We prefer that all the information can be found on Wikitravel itself, so we would like to ask you to share your knowledge and write the information in the actual articles, instead of adding links. I hope this makes sense. Again, any questions, please let us know. Adzas (talk) 17:59, 24 October 2013 (EDT)

Deletions Alledaagse Waanzin[edit]

Dear Azdas, Thank you for commenting on your deletion of my addings to certain articles. I can see what you mean with "same listing" and the same links. I will make a change to that for the next time I will post the addings to the same articles. I would like to have Oceanwide Expeditions added to these articles. These are articles that do not mention external cruise travel or articles that only mention the ships from Oceanwide. And even more to those articles that mention one operator as the only one available or articles that give a bad reputation towards cruise companies, while other travel opportunities are being praised. The reason for adding Oceanwide Expeditions is that it takes companies like Oceanwide Expeditions to have people visit these destinations. So can you tell me how a good listing looks like? So I won't be reverted again. Best regards, Alledaagse Waanzin. —The preceding comment was added by Alledaagse Waanzin (talkcontribs)

Hello Alledaagse Waanzin, thank you for your message. Your original listing itself was ok, we decided to leave it on the Antarctica page as the information could benefit the traveler. But Wikitravel is not meant to be an advertising portal, so adding the same company name or information or link to various articles, that is just against our policy so it would be reverted again should you re-ad. As you have so much experience in that area, we rather have you write about the actual destinations, and find other sources to promote outside Wikitravel. I would also like to invite you to contribute on the dutch wikitravel site (obviously the same rules apply there) but the Antarctica article there Antarctica could use some more expert information. Thanks again for your efforts, we are looking forward to your contributions. Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 06:38, 24 November 2013 (EST)
Dear Azdas, I understand what you mean with the multiple listings. However I do feel it will make a difference to have Oceanwide Expeditions listed next to the other operators for the Ross Sea destination. Oceanwide Expeditions is one of the 3 IAATO member operators who makes landings at the ross sea and provides "as the only one" helicopter voyages across the Ross Sea departing from the ship. Since I saw the mishappening with the content from my post for the Ross Sea, I will make this accurate. Please let me know if it still possible to have Oceanwide Expeditions listed for the Ross Sea.

Yogyakarta entry reversion[edit]

Dear Adzas, thank you for your comment. You are absolutely right about what you are saying. I will try to integrate it wisely within the Indonesia article. Warm regards, Clemens MY (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2013 (MYT)

Chiang Mai to Chiang Rai in 3 Days[edit]

I've put an explanation in the discussion page for: I was deleting my own entry that was infact text that was largely duplicated under the revised layout but was not properly logged in so it appeared as an anonymous update. —The preceding comment was added by Snoop-dawg (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your message! Do you know that area very well? The article does not really meet Wikitravel criteria, so if you want to help to move the information to the Northern_Thailand article that would be great. We appreciate your efforts! Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2013 (EST)



My self a wildlife photographer and traveller and I have been doing this for more than five years. Since my job is to go to the remote places of Himalayas, specially in Uttarakhand I thought what if I create this article and let others join and give their valuable inputs onto the article Ghatgarh. The inputs that I had put down there, were from true sense and not for any business promotional activities. I have personally gathered all those informations from my November '13 trip to Ghatgarh, Uttarakhand, India. That is why I thought it would be great to put down informations about that place. Very little information is available in other forums. Let me know your concern Adzas, how can you improve this article?

-Regards, DibyenduDibyendu Ash (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Hello Dibyendu Ash, thank you very much for your message, greatly appreciated. My main concern was that part of the text was copied from another source. On Wikitravel we want original content, so if you are also the writer of the text on the other website, please adjust it slightly so it does not look like copied content. Is Ghatgarh a small village? For each type of articles we have templates so in order to add the correct template I needed to know more information, so we can add it. It sounds like you are visiting interesting places and we do hope you will share your information and knowledge here, so if any further questions, please let us know. Looking forward to seeing more of your edits! Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Gran Parque Natural Topes de Collantes[edit]

Hi Adzas, I'm writing regarding the Gran Parque Natural Topes de Collantes page. You have reverted my changes, I have added a price table as an image. The thing is that I cannot see the price table which you have added. Could you please check it. —The preceding comment was added by Zywiol (talkcontribs)

Hi, thanks for your message. The reason I reverted the picture of the price table is that articles would become very cluttered if pictures of price and opening time tables would be added to all venues, it is much easier to add the prices to the actual listings, using the listings format so it can also be easily changed when prices change. Also for those travelers printing out the guides the information would be hard to read. Please see our Image policy for more information. I didn´t add any other price table, if you want you can add the information to the actual listings. I hope this helps, please let us know if any further questions. We are looking forward to further contributions from you! Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 17:30, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Dear Azdas[edit]

Hi Azdas, How are you? sorry for disturbing you. I noticed you reverted my contribution to the article Alghero learn. I was wondering if there was something wrong in what I wrote. Could you be so kind to help me in letting me know how I can contribute to your useful web page? thanks a lot, looking forward to hearing from you and best regards —The preceding comment was added by Mariaitaliano (talkcontribs)

Hello, thank you for your message. I reverted your listing as you used first person pronouns in the text. I sent you a message on your own talk page,just have a look at the blue links which describes our guidelines about this, which will help you before you re-add the listing. We appreciate your efforts and are looking forward to seeing more edits from you on Wikitravel! Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 08:44, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

It was a mistake cotributing to wikitravel.I wont be doing it again.I couldnt care less. —The preceding comment was added by User:Barana (talkcontribs)

Hi Adzas, deletion of restaurant listing.[edit]


I understand your reasoning for the deletion [too many restaurants already, doesn't add value] - but I see there have been some other restaurant listings added this year - so where does the distinction start?

This is a new restaurant opened in recent months and shouldn't be discriminated from a wikitravel listing because it is late to the party - happy to rewrite the listing to add more value - can you help? Thanks —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Kathmandu: I am not sure why you deleted the text in the "Buy" section Kathmandu. I did not even add this to Wikitravel and I did not take this from any other pages. Please explain.

Perissa google maps links revert[edit]

Hi Adzas,

Thank you for reviewing my changes to Perissa page. I would like to know what the problem with links to Google Maps is? There are no official websites for those businesses, so I don't see any other way to provide valuable directions for users. Should we use something like Wikipedia does?

--Ahippo (talk) 05:26, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

Hello, thank you for your message. If the business does not have an official website, just put the address in the listing, and if you have the geo-location, that will help. We just don´t want to fill articles with lots of links to maps and other sources of every single location. If a map is required in the article itself, we try to create our own. Please have a look at Mapmaking if this would interest you. Just add as much information as possible to the article itself, so travelers who print out the travelguide have all the information readily available. We are looking forward to further edits from you. Any questions, let us know. Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
Hi Adzas,
Thank you for your reply!
A map looks like an overkill there, so I'll probably add a short textual description.
Ahippo (talk) 04:41, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

Mynzhilki[edit] Please work with the writers to move this information to a destination page. It does not appear that Mynzhilki is a destination, but a site to see. As such, it should not have its own page. IBobi (talk) 20:08, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

Dalat Accommodation Edit[edit]

Hey Adzas,

I noticed you reverted my contribution to the Dalat page. I understand what you mean about not wanting WikiTravel to be a "yellow pages", but I still believe that my addition is worthwhile to travellers. Beepub is a newly-renovated hostel that is quite unique compared to the other standard guesthouses in town. I have been travelling for seven years and do not use guide books, instead relying on information from the internet and in particular WikiTravel. Having the most up-to-date and beneficial information available is important to people like myself and others who depend on this site. Adding a tour company that offers nothing different to the others in town would be obsolete, but in the case of this hostel it is quite relevant.

As for the site, I checked it out myself and am unsure how it could be seen as a tour booking site when it is simply the hostels page. Nothing mentioned about tours at all, only accommodation.

I re-added the listing but then reverted back to your original change. I did not want to be seen as 'spamming' WikiTravel. However I still think that it should be reconsidered. I stumbled upon this place by accident but for the sake of customer satisfaction when seeking the best and cheapest options in a town it deserves to be on WikiTravel.

Interested to hear what you think.


Jazza. —The preceding comment was added by NOMADasaurus (talkcontribs)

Dalat Accommodation Edit[edit]

No worries Adzas. Thanks for the message. Not sure why there was that strange redirection to the other site. I have added my submission again and deleted a duplicate entry that was in there. Same place but one entry was using the Vietnamese name and the entry was using the English name. I will go over the Dalat page in a bit more detail later and see if there are any other issues I can fix. Thanks very much Adzas. Happy to help contribute to this great site. —The preceding comment was added by NOMADasaurus (talkcontribs)

Why did you delete pretty much 100% of what I wrote? That was information that was needed, and took a long time to write. I see you've never had the experience of being a vegetarian in Japan, have you. People like you are why Wikitravel got forked. I'll take my future contributions to the Wikimedia fork then, shall I, Mr "King of the entire Japan section of Wikitravel". —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Thank you for your comments. After having checked the edit again, I see I left the listing itself there (so did not remove about 100%) but there is no need to discuss the menu indepth, and the link added is a Japanese site, (does not seem to have an english version) reason why that was removed too. When we revert edits you can always re-write the edit or discuss on the discussion page of the article. I am not a vegetarian, but I have been to Japan, there is no need to use the tone that you are. We are all working here on the articles with the best intentions, and there are many admins here available to discuss any questions you may have. We appreciate everyone´s contributions, so please feel free to have another look at our guidelines and add further valuable information if you like. To start it is a good idea to create an account, so we can get to know you and your edits. Thanks and kind regards, Adzas (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2014 (EDT)


Although I understand your comment about some items not being in the city itself but places like Rotterdam, Amsterdam etc all do the same. Also they are so close by and a page about the other towns will never be created so how do I do that do then ?

Ow and forgot to login :) —The preceding comment was added by Radius (talkcontribs)

Luang Prabang Tour Company[edit]

Dear Adzas,

I want to address the issue of 'general tour planning' on my edit to the Luang Prabang "Do" section. I know that you have previously stated that you do not want wikitravel to become a yellow pages, but I followed all the guidelines when adding this listing. I do not want Wikitravel being over crowded either. I very much appreciated my tour that I booked with this tour company (Tiger Trail), and so I wanted to add them to the page because they offer some lower rates than others. If you take a look at the listing of Green Discovery Laos, it is very similar to Tiger Trail. Both companies were, in fact, created in 2000 - and both offer alternative ways to experience Luang Prabang and Laos through eco-tourism and the fair-trek initiative. I do not know what is the justification of one tour company that plans 'general tours' over another? The other listing, Discovering Laos, is again a very similar general tour company. This is my first time on Wikitravel, and I love to use this resource for when I travel. How can I safely edit or add listings on any pages if I am afraid now of my contributions being deleted the next day?

Thank you, and I appreciate your help.

Kwagner (talk) 01:44, 6 September 2014 (EDT)Kyle

Help needed[edit]

Dear Adzas,I want to discuss something with links to other websites with you. But the spam control doesn't allow me. Can you help me? --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 10:39, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

I think I am not being able to communicate thinks properly to you. The problem I see here is external linking here seems to be quite restricted.

h t t p : // m e t a. w i k i m e d i a . o r g/w i k i / U s e r : H i n d u s t a n i l a n g u a g e / s a n d b o x 2

Can you refer to the above link without space?

I just need to exchange communication with the users on their talkpage NOT WRITE ARTICLES here on the survey and spoil the goodwork you guys are doing. --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 14:24, 11 September 2014 (EDT)



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