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Weird user name[edit]

Hello! Welcome to Wikitravel. To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. Is this a user name that you would like to keep or you would prefer to change it? Thanks! If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. -- IBAlex 12:55, 21 January 2013 (EST)

Thanks for the welcome.
I'll keep the User name for now, if I may. It's suitably nondescript and anonymous don't you think?
I registered because it was taking me 20 and more attempts to pass your fiendish captcha test. It's almost like you only want spambots and spammers to edit... --118dot93dot73dot30 04:22, 22 January 2013 (EST)
Sure! you can keep the name, it's absolutely fine. I just thought you might wanted to change it to something shorter:)
Yes, it's definitely a better idea to be registered as the captcha test might be sometimes frustrating. Plus, having an account gives you several benefits. if you need any help, let me know. Warm regards, IBAlex 17:37, 22 January 2013 (EST)
People may call me just 118 if they prefer... --118dot93dot73dot30 00:37, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for a quick reaction to this post [1]. I appreciate this a lot. Warm regards, IBAlex 15:59, 7 February 2013 (EST)

Don Det[edit]

I note that you are enagaged in some form of edit war with a number of people. Please could you stop these disruptive edits, including your insisence on the erroneous use of apostrophes such as "It has it's own free Wi-Fi" and "lasagna and pizza's"

Please remember to sign your posts. Your contribution history shows that you might want to consider creating your own account on Wikitravel because it will provide various benefits:
  1. easier communication with other writers about your edits and travel tips via your very own User Talk Page
  2. choose to turn off advertising or Orbitz (in your Account Settings)
  3. credit for your travel writing and edits, which will all be attributed to you rather than just an IP address
  4. your contributions will become more trusted as you become familiar to other Wikitravellers as a frequent editor with a history they can check
Although you are correct with the two examples you cite, your own edit (and those credited to the other IP) introduced many more errors - as any third party can verify if they carefully study the diffs. Rather than labelling edits or editors, I suggest that you click on the blue links in my edit summaries to learn about WT's various policies and resort to the discussion page of the article to discuss any reversions you wish to make in future to see if a consensus can be obtained. --118dot93dot73dot30 02:56, 14 February 2013 (EST)
Agreed just stop making stupid edits and follow policy please. 118.209.197.52 01:56, 14 February 2013 (EST)
Are you referring to this edit: http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Don_Det&diff=prev&oldid=1993889 please? --118dot93dot73dot30 02:56, 14 February 2013 (EST)

talk page[edit]

Please allow me to make any edits I see fit to my own talk page. It is a bug. I still see new message banners wherever I go on this site, even once looking at my talk page. which policy says I cant delete it? 118.209.197.52 02:52, 18 February 2013 (EST)

I must correct you. It is not "your" talk page. It is the talk page for communicating with any user of that particular IP address, either now or in the future. I have suggested before that you should register an account and that is what you now need to do if you wish a talk page that is individual to yourself. I have given you further advice on the page in question and you should either correspond with me there or, far better, register an account. --118dot93dot73dot30 04:03, 20 February 2013 (EST)

Ardmore[edit]

I am assuming your edits to this page are your original content writing, yes? If so, kudos. Nice work.--IBobi 16:06, 12 March 2013 (EDT)

Mostly.
In line with the recent agreed end to litigation, I edit on a number of travel related sites. There were some changes made by other editors on other sites before I largely expanded the original article - but I have largely re-worded those (or they are so minimal as to fall under the de minimis copyright exemptions or are facts which, as you know, can not be copyrighted, no more than addresses and phone numbers can be copyrighted).
Consequently, I believe that any editing I do is in line with these statements:
but please correct me if I am wrong in that interpretation. --118dot93dot73dot30 16:14, 12 March 2013 (EDT)
I will take your silence as assent, then... --118dot93dot73dot30 19:00, 14 March 2013 (EDT)

Thanks[edit]

for revision of my writing style. I'm atually really happy I found that website, because I like the opportunity to share information about beloved Guinea Bissau with other people. Unfortunatly I have only about 10 more days left in germany before return to Guinea Bissau where my Internet-time and connection speed is extremly limited. But I'll do my best to add as much content as possible during that days.

Is there a guidance of how to add charts? Because articles like Creole phrasebook tend to get extremly confusing the more content they contain.

Where is it desired to add pictures? I have a lot of pictures from different places in Bissau, or the islands and other places. --NemoSum 01:55, 26 March 2013 (CET)

We very much appreciate your desire to assist other travellers to Guinea-Bissau.
If you wish the photos to be public domain, please create an account at Wikimedia Commons and add them there: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
If you wish them only to be used on Wikitravel then this link provides further guidance, Roland: ip.
Wikitravel will be "read only" for the next few days, I'm afraid: Pub. --118dot93dot73dot30 21:30, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
Despite the read only message it still works. —The preceding comment was added by NemoSum (talkcontribs) 02:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your corrections on my contribution (Lebanon's page). Obviously a little self-proofreading should not be an option! Thanks. PierrB (talk) 00:22, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Heya , this is a Wiki and you do the important and substantive part of adding useful content and then I follow behind like a Wikifairy trying to do all that boring and tedious MoS stuff. Glad to be of service;je vous en prie, PierrB! --118dot93dot73dot30 01:42, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

Currency symbols[edit]

Hi 118dot93dot73dot30!

I noted accidentally an edit you performed on the Philippines page, with the comment (we don't want editors using "PHP") I preferred asking you instead of doing anything, as you are a great contributor to Wikitravel and obviously you never act without a good reason.

Did you sanctioned the acronym 'PHP' because of the language (we indeed want to avoid here)? Because as the official acronym of this money is truly 'PHP', I think we should let it be. It's for sure a detail. PierrB (talk) 05:12, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

The English language Wikitravel has a large and fairly comprehensive Mos which all commercial marketeers should follow when they add listings for properties they have a commercial interest in.
The relevant part of $ that deal with the Pilipino peso is currently as follows:
"Prices should be listed with the currency symbol that travellers will encounter, specifically the local formatting. The currency symbol should always be prefixed. Travellers should be able to assume that symbols used for multiple currencies (like $ or £) apply to the local currency. Do not use currency codes like "USD", "EUR", or "GBP" if the symbol is established.
  • $100 in Detroit , not US$100, 100 USD or 100 dollars
  • $100 in Vancouver, not CAD$100, 100 CAD or 100 dollars
  • ¥100 in Tokyo, not JPY 100, 100 yen or 100円
  • £100 in London, not 100 GBP, UK£100 or 100 pounds
  • €100 in Paris, not EUR 100, 100 EUR or 100 euros
  • ¥100 in Beijing, not RMB 100, 100 yuan or 100元
  • ₹100 in Delhi, not Rupees 100, 100 INR or 100 rupees
  • ₱100 in Cebu, not PHP 100, 100 PHP or 100 pesos
  • ₪100 in Jerusalem, not NIS 100, 100 NIS, or 100 shekels
  • ₩100 in Seoul, not KRW 100, 100 KRW, or 100 won"
Did you notice "₱100 in Cebu, not PHP 100, 100 PHP or 100 pesos", PierrB ?
Unfortunately before I made this recent amendment to our MediaWiki:Edittools the symbol may not have been readily available to editors and many editors may not have known how to use the keyboard compose facility to produce a ₱ symbol.
Because of all the spamming that is going on, I sometimes do a pedantic little edit like this just so I know later that I have "approved" the edits to the page up to and including that pedantic edit of mine...--118dot93dot73dot30 08:40, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
Since these symbols are available, it is obvious we have to use them preferably!
Thanks for this valuable information! PierrB (talk) 02:12, 12 April 2013 (EDT)
Glad to be of service, PierrB. --118dot93dot73dot30 08:39, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

Travel news[edit]

Thanks for helping with formatting Travel news! You are definitely an expert in dates and currency formats! Kind regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

I don't think my edits were very informative or useful and that page is a bit problematic from a MoS point of view, since inevitably there will be (at least) two varieties of English in use there since both the BBC and US based news organisations are used as sources. Taken as a whole, many of our MoS dictates (and consequently the edits I make) are peripheral and marginal to our project. However, some of the (as yet unanswered) questions raised here ARE important:

Formatting Europe page[edit]

Desired formatting

Hi 118.!

I would like to ask you a question regarding formatting on Wikitravel. I know you are an expert and maybe you would be able to help me with what I am struggling right now. Every time I try to edit the Europe page there is something wrong with it. Either Table of Content is interfering with the Europe map and the regions, or the map is interfering with the description of regions, or the table of content is appearing too low (not next to the intro section). I like how Africa page is formatted and that's what I'm trying to achieve. Attached is what I envision.

Your help and expertise would be highly appreciated. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:59, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

I'm afraid I do not have enough privileges to be able to assist - much as I'd love to. Sorry! --118dot93dot73dot30 01:10, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Thank you, 118. you certainly helped! Please know, that for formatting the pages you do not need any special privileges. Moreover, if you are afraid that abuse filters will stop you, please contact me and I will help you in what you are trying to do. Cooperation is a key. Thanks again, IBAlex (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Africa's buggered too!
I'm afraid there is a fundamental misunderstanding here. Almost any non-trivial template design, creation or editing I try to do on Wikitravel is blocked by the demonic abuse filters. You remember the titanic struggle we had just to create a panorama template? That's why I say I don't have enough privileges to be able to assist the proper running (and, therefore, monetisation of this website) by maximising the reader experience. Any template has to be tested on a variety of screen, browser and operating system combinations. And please remember that most of our readers will have adverts turned ON. That's why it's untrue to say that Africa displays correctly - as the screenshot alongside shows... --118dot93dot73dot30 05:07, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

British versus American spelling[edit]

Hi 118. I noticed that many of your edits (specifically on the Poland Travel page) were replacing American spelling with British spelling. Examples: neighbor to neighbour, center to centre, harbor to harbour. Since this is not a specifically British site, I find those changes unnecessary. The American spellings are perfectly acceptable, and would be found in any dictionary, and may in fact be the more common spelling. Neither spelling is the "correct" one, both are correct, each one is just used in a different location. —The preceding comment was added by Dkester (talkcontribs) 03:21, 22 April 2013 [UTC]

Sp. explains our spelling policy and you would be quite right if you stated that Poland has never been an English speaking country, even though Polish fliers in RAF squadrons were instrumental in winning the Battle of Britain and Poles now make up one of the largest immigrant groups in the UK. You would also be right if you stated that there is no particular variety of English officially sanctioned in Poland (although many govt. websites tend to use Commonwealth English like we do in Singapore).
If there had been already a clear predominance of US spelling in our Poland article (or a strong local connection to the particular US variety of English), then there was no need to change any spelling. However, our MoS does suggest that, where other edits are being made, editors may want to adopt a consistent English variety throughout the article. The primary reason I edited on the occasion after your very useful contributions, was to comply with other MoS suggestions, such as
Dates (changing '''Constitution Day''' falls on May 3rd, to '''Constitution Day''' falls on 3 May), $ (changing 150 PLN to zł150 , ip (changing [[Image:Warsaw-Pilsudski-Square-1900s.jpg|right|thumb|Warsaw in 1900s]] to [[Image:Warsaw-Pilsudski-Square-1900s.jpg|thumb|Warsaw in 1900s]],
for example, but if I notice anything else that's easy to fix at the same time, then I usually try to fix that too - especially if it's such a trivial matter as spelling. Often I use the abbreviation "ce." for this sort of tedious work.
It's great to have you here working alongside us. If you can find the time to look at our sp. and other MoS articles and then comply with them that would be terrific, but otherwise no sweat; myself or somebody else may be along in future to correct your contributions.
PS: UUTP explains how to sign your name on talk pages like this one. --118dot93dot73dot30 23:52, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

Thank you for the quick response. I did look at the Sp. page, as you suggested, and it said: "If the article concerns a destination that has no history of using English and no clear preference for the variety to use, we prefer US English spelling." So I find it strange that you went through the article and changed all the US spellings to British spellings. Not a big deal, just seems unnecessary. I have no problem with any of your other changes: I am glad someone is checking on these things (spelling, grammar, etc.). Dkester (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

I'm glad to see that you took a look at UUTP and are now successfully signing your user name with a timestamp. Immediately under the section of that article that deals with signing is this informative section: UUTP#Indentation. There is a bit to learn when you first start using Wikitravel with a new user name, but I'm sure you'll quickly get the hang of things...
When you're reading these articles, it sometimes helps to read them slowly out loud with meaning and feeling as an aid to comprehension (rather than just skimming as so many of us do nowadays).
Right under the phrase you quote from Sp. in your response above is this: "We just need to pick one default spelling style for consistency in the same article."
Many of our non-destination articles were written in Commonwealth English and should not be arbitrarily changed to the US variety. Usually it's not a good use of your time to go right through an article to standardis(z)e the spelling unless preparing for a star nomination or for off-line publishing. If you are preparing to do this for any destination outside of the regions listed above, it's best to first discuss which variant you are going to use on the article's discussion page."
You also missed out the italicisation of and in your quote above. Here at Wikitravel we use italicisation to emphasise. Your quote should actually read: "...no history of using English and no clear preference for the variety to use... (my underlining added).
In practice, the decision tree goes like this:
Do you have an acceptable reason and the time and knowledge to edit the article so that it is in an improved state after your edit?
(If the answer is No, then obviously the decision tree withers at this branch). If the edit reason is just to change the variety of English spelling, then we definitely prefer you employ your time and talents on more productive tasks - unless preparing for a star nomination or for off-line publishing.
If Yes to the other acceptable reason(s) then the next question to ask is "Is this a destination article and, if so, does it have a strong connection to a particular EngVar? If it does, then while you do your other edits it would be great if you tried to correct as may varietal spelling errors as possible as you do your edits. If, No, can you discern an existing EngVar? If you can, then while you do your other edits it would be great if you tried to correct as may varietal spelling errors as possible as you do your edits for the sake of consistency. If again, No, then while you do your other edits it would be great if you tried to correct as may varietal spelling errors into US English.
Applying all this to my Poland edits gives this outline of my thought processes:
a) I thought I saw Mos improvements that could be made that I decided I had the time and knowledge to make regarding Dates, $ and ip - I also saw that the Poland article used inconsistent EngVar. I determined that, although it was a destination article, it had no strong connection to any particular EngVar (I could have decided that because it was in the EU, Commonwealth English was the EngVar taught in Polish schools and because of the strong historical blood ties with the British Isles and current immigration patterns, it had strong connections to Commonwealth English - but I didn't). Instead, I saw that the predominant EngVar in the article was EngVar and decided that, as I made my other edits, I would take the opportunity to correct any Americanisms inconsistent with the rest of the article.
Everything clear now?
If not, please take this to Wikitravel_talk:Spelling --118dot93dot73dot30 01:53, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

Touting[edit]

Hello 118,

Please read the "Don't tout" page. The "Use-It" link and information that you have posted - and repeatedly re-posted after other Wikignomes marked it as spam - is a classic example of a "tout" or advertising. It makes the page and the city look trashy. If you are not being paid by this service and really think it is something useful for visitors to Prague, then please review the "Don't tout" page and think about how to present the information in a better way. --Revdrace (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

Not only have I read that page, if you look at the edit history, you'll see that I wrote some of it.
Yes, I do think a free, up-to-date map and friendly, knowledgeable personal advice from young local volunteers is "useful for visitors to Prague" but, heh, what do I know!
Seriously, I appreciate and respect your point of view, but it would be better stated and discussed at Talk:Prague#Use-It where I hope we can reach a consensus.
Incidentally, I apologise for the late reply, but I missed your sermon where you had originally placed it (under the topic heading User_talk:118dot93dot73dot30#Weird_user_name where it was not exactly on-topic. UUTP will give you hints as to how to use user talk pages like this one in a better and more effective way.
Also and for the avoidance of doubt, I am not and have never been paid by anyone for any editing I do on Wikis - although I live in hope (wan fake smile through gritted teeth). --118dot93dot73dot30 00:34, 22 April 2013 (EDT)

Lake Toba Get In[edit]

Hello 118

Please don't change Tobatransporter listing,because it's very important for travelers who want come to our area almost lake toba and parapat. Please make a good listing if there is some mistakes for that listing,I hope you can give a good words at Lake Toba Get In section. I hope get a good reply from you,or you can email me if you want to make some conversation. Best Regards ReyMysterio —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ReyMysterio (talkcontribs) • 14:37, 23 April 2013‎ (UTC)

Listing format[edit]

Hello, i came across your idea about the "Clickable blue name and arrow symbol", and also some suggestions to remove "those silly footnotes" in other places - i updated and edited Druskininkai page in such format (bold clickable blue names), but isn't that some sort of violation of the rules or something? I want to update some other pages of my country (in order to add the basics, at least), can i do everything with those Clickable blue names? Or should i wait for official decision, or what? Those silly footnotes are silly indeed, to change them later would be a double job. And, when checking my edits, could i ask you to edit my language (english)? Or is this rude? --Local (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2013 (EDT)

Hello Local! Thank you for bringing that up! We do agree that we should avoid the silly footnotes in favor of bold clickable blue names so thank you for your edits on Druskininkai page! Please feel free to edit this way. The reason why the footnote-style numbers are appearing is because the "Add listing" box creates them by default. We are working on changing the settings now but we are not sure how long it will take to implement this change. Local and 118dot, thank you for all your edits! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2013 (EDT)
Thanks, IBAlex. --Local (talk) 03:00, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
this page has our current policy about external links. Apart from the confusion caused by incrementing numbers that do not relate to any actual footnote, the primary reason for avoiding postlinking is, as IBAlex said, to make sure that our external links give a clear indication that they will take the reader away from this site if clicked on. This blue colouration has pretty well become a world wide web standard in this century.
Although English was not my first language, I'll try and take a look at some of your contributions if I find time.
Historically policy has been made by the consensus of this site's users at any particular point in time - rather than by Internet Brands (the trademark and server owners). That may change of course, but there hasn't been any announcement to date that I'm aware of. If you feel that any of our current policies are wrong or silly, then I encourage you to put your point of view on the relevant discussion page. Most folks here are pretty open to rational persuasion.
{Lastly, according to this edit and an e-mail I've received from her, 118 should be back editing from Ethiopia towards the end of this month (provided she's re-united with her missing laptop.)}
I see now the new version of "good external links", it's clear now (i deleted my previous comment as it was based on older "Good external link format", apologies). --Local (talk) 13:40, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

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