Help Wikitravel grow by contributing to an article! Learn how.
New users, please see Help or go to the Pub to ask questions.

Talk:Yangon

From Wikitravel
Jump to: navigation, search

Shouldn't this page re-direct to Yangon (instead of the other way around)?

Myanmar#Cities: "Yangon (formerly Rangoon)"

Burma ("old" name) is re-directed to Myanmar ("new" name)

etc

Done. Jpatokal 11:10, 30 Nov 2005 (EST)

Bulk revert of 202.79.24.30's edits[edit]

So, I don't like to do this, but I've reverted the set of 202.79.24.30's changes:

http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Yangon&diff=403317&oldid=402238

To me, while I'll admit to having no personal experience of Myanmar, it looks like you're whitewashing many of the city's problems ("thousands gunned down" → "Socialism was officially ended", removal of the section on airport hassles, removal of much safety info, etc). Please explain your removals first. Jpatokal 23:16, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Cherie, I know very well that thousands were gunned down - I was there outside the Town Hall when it happened, and have never been so frightened in mu life. I also helped students escape Burma after the event, and met with Min Ko Naing, and with Aung San Ssu Kyi. BUT, this is a travel site, not a political one.
As for the official ending of socialism, this is a matter of fact and history, not of opinion. Ne Win, may he rot in Hell, came to to the big jamboree of the BSPP and told the assembled delegates that the last thirty years had ben a waste of time, and that socialism (and the one-party state) were henceforth at an end. Then he left the room, leaving a very strange scene behind - delegates had ben given speeches lauding specific points of Ne Win's officla speech, in which he (officially) was to have said that socialism was a Good Thing. No-one knew what to say or do. This was the beginning of the end for socialist Burma. Not, unfortunately, for the army kleptocracy, which continues its hold to this day. But socialism was over. (My source for this is the man who wrote the speeches for the delegates - plus, of course, I was there, in the country if not in the room).
Ok, I've created an acount, under the name of The Masked Duck. This is a reference to the great Duckman, who is, of course, always masked. I am not Nick the Duckman, who so far as I know is safely tucked up in bed in his bookshop. But I follow in his footsteps. The Masked Duck 09:32, 6 November 2006 (EST)
As a note, just because this isn't a political wiki does not mean we should exclude the information about thousands being gunned down. This is a travel guide and many travellers travel so they can learn and experience cultures and history. The murder of several thousand people will forever be deeply ingrained in Myanmar's cultural experience and history, so I'd very much prefer that the story be left in the guide. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 10:01, 6 November 2006 (EST)


That the masacres of 1988 took place is history, not politics, and should be included. (I've toyed with the idea of running guided tours of the sites - the General Hospital, the White Bridge, the railway crossing in Okkalapa, and of course the Town Hall - but everything has been plastered and painted over and there's really not much to see these days). That ASSK sayd visitors should stay away is politics, and should not. If you want a discussion, (and why not?), this is the issue to focus on. 202.79.24.30 05:50, 7 November 2006 (EST)
Whether to go or not and, yes, what ASSK thinks are fairly big questions for most visitors, so I think the "pro" and "con" sides should be summarized in an infobox — but on the main Myanmar page, not here. Jpatokal 06:09, 7 November 2006 (EST)
Fine. Had a quick look at the Myanmar page - like the Yangon page, it reads like a series of excerpts from the Thorntree. The ASSK part would certainly benefit from being put in an infobox and drastically shortened. see it mentions the fact that ASSK hasn't repeated the call for visitors to stay away. I believe she made this request in the context of the Visit Burma Year, and may never have intended it to be aforever thing, but I don't know for sure. 202.79.24.30 02:50, 8 November 2006 (EST)

"Cantonment"[edit]

The article keeps referring to "the cantonment." The downtown part of Yangon was never a cantonment, and the word itself is now obsolete. The Burmese themselves call the various bits of the downtown area by the names of the various townships, and taxi drivers are used to foreigners calling it either Yangon or "the city." But never "the cantonment."The Masked Duck 22:05, 14 November 2006 (EST)

I'm going to remove all references to the cantonment. The downtown area was never a part of the cantonment (which was centered around the Shwedagon Pagoda in colonial times - and still has a heavy military presence) and, as the Masked Duck says, no one uses that word anyway. --Wandering 14:42, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

"Shwedagon Pagoda"[edit]

I fond many visitors are misinformed and they used to worry about their entrance fees go to juntas' pocket. In Myanmar, anyone (including junta, government and state) is not support to use any of Buddha's properties. As for any pagoda in Myanmar, money collected from admission fees and donations are managed by pagoda's management committee and used for pagoda's maintaining works. So as for this Shwedagon Pagoda. You can imagine how much is yearly cost to preserve such majestic structure and vast camps. Yes, it costs million dollars and your entrance fees help to preserve this wonder. Yarzaryeni 02:48, 27 November 2012 (EST)

Rangoon or Yangon?[edit]

Currently and infobox in our article says "Aung San Suu Kyi and the NLD promote usage of Rangoon instead of Yangon, as a sign of support for the democracy movement. Many Western governments maintain usage of Rangoon as a sign of their rejection of the legitimacy of the current government."

We try and leave politics our of Wikitravel, instead concentrating on what is most useful for the traveller. That's why our Wikitravel:Article naming conventions states: "This version of Wikitravel is in English..., so articles should use the city, region or country name most commonly used in English-speaking countries. This means that "official names" are often not appropriate for use as article names."

We use Venice (rather than Venezia) and Munich (rather than Muenchen) so shouldn't we change the title of this article? --Ttcf (talk) 13:56, 18 February 2014 (EST)

Variants

Actions

Destination Docents

In other languages