Official writing is Xi'an, not Xian. Therefor moved. LiangHH, 04.01.06
- Thank you for plunging forward. However the page has been moved back because Wikitravel doesn't automatically use official names for its articles. Before moving this page again please first read Wikitravel:Article naming conventions and Wikitravel:Why Wikitravel doesn't use official names. I note that Google gives:
- Xian - 3 million references
- Xi'an - 1.8 million references
- I think Xian is the most common name, though Xi'an is also well known, so both names should be given approximately equal prominence.
- Also there is a bug with having a single quote in a page name that causes page errors. I think the page should stay called Xian too because it is more popular and less problematic. Sorry to be a pain, but they are the guidelines. Please discuss as I know this is controversial. -- Huttite 07:08, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I think the apostrophe is strictly speaking unnecessary by the conventions of pinyin (which don't require it here) and by common sense assuming some familiarity with Chinese (neither X-ian nor Xia-n are possible). I suspect the intent of adopting it officially is to make the laowai pronounce "she-ahn" instead of "sheeann" -- but let's face it, unless they know pinyin, people will by default guess something like "ksee-ann" anyway, apostrophe or no apostrophe. Jpatokal 08:48, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)
- I am totally oblivious to what spoken Chinese words sound like. To me Xian reads like echsi-an or zi-an and rhymes with Exxon or zion, for example. I have to remember x in Chinese is more like sh rather than ch or zh in English. -- Huttite 16:02, 4 Jan 2006 (EST)
- That the google search Xian gives more results, shows, most people dont know the official usage. So in my opinion, an encyclopedia would always have correct enteries, not enteries adjusted to common mistakes. Xian is 3Mio times spelled wrong on Google, Accomodation 9,9Mio times. However, I see the guidelines in wikitravel are clear.LiangHH 12:00, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC+8)
- Xian is the one syllable pinyin spelling of various single, solo, 1, Chinese characters. Xi'an is the two syllable pinyin spelling of the two, 2, Chinese characters 西安, the name of the city in question. Google finding more oranges than apples does not make them one fruit. The correct spelling works on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi'an and we should use it here, too. I have studied Chinese and can see that the need to write this correctly may not be as apparent to those who have not. I trust LiangHH knows something of the Chinese language. Liang is a Chinese surname. I think it is time to fix this simple error and record why. So I will ask Huttite to move Xian to Xi'an. Hope this helps :-) Rogerhc 02:06, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
- We're not an encyclopedia. If Xian is more common, then we call it Xian, just like we call Bangkok "Bangkok", not Krung Thep. Jpatokal 03:45, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
- Can I suggest everyone read Wikitravel:Article naming conventions and Wikitravel:Why Wikitravel doesn't use official names again. Yes the official name for the Chinese might be Xi'an but the common English usage seems to be Xian. The page name, which creates the URL, is not so important provided both Xian and Xi'an both redirect to the same article. And while we are at it maybe we should also redirect she-ahn, sheeann and ksee-ann here as well, since they are how the English could spell the name phonetically. And NO I am not moving it unless there is a better reason than the official name. -- Huttite 04:47, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
- I don't think it's worth the effort to create redirects for phonetic spellings. If someone's guessing at the spelling of a place name, odds are they're trying to remember how they saw it, not how they heard it.
Titling this page Xian is like a bird guide calling a bluebird a blue jay. Grrrrrrr. What kind of bird guide does that? Some people mistakenly write Xian when they mean Xi'an. So what helps the traveler best is to make Xian a redirect to Xi'an, not to mis-title a travel guide page Xian. :-) Rogerhc 17:29, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
- Well, the "correct" name is Xī'ān (if we're splitting hairs, the diacritics are in), Hsi-An, Sian, 西安, or even Сиань, depending on what system you are using. But we have a populist, "blue-jay" policy to use the most common English name, which does seem to be Xian. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 18:47, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
- And this debate is particularly silly as there is no other town called Xian, with or without the apostrophe. So a traveler punches in "Xian", they get the right city. They punch in "Xi'an", they still get the right city. 有无有问题？ Jpatokal 01:57, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
I have a TEFL and on the TEFL forum Kids' Castle is red flagged as being on of the places you should never work in China for reasons ranging from teachers not recieving thier pay for months to physical assaults on English teachers if they try to leave their jobs there. Should this be mentioned in the article? I think it should. 220.127.116.11 09:14, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
Hi, I worked in Kid Castle in Xi'an for a while and I heard of all those things happening just in the short time I was there. I'm pretty sure it's a franchise though. The ones I worked for (the ones with the crazy stories) are owned by a man called Mr. Lee (quite a big fat guy), whenever I met him he seemed really nice and easy going, but apparently he's a bit of a gangster. The place is ran by his wife Lancum (think she chose her name from the make up company) She is a complete psycho B**ch. Whilst I was there around 12 foreign teachers that I knew left and I had only been there for about 5 months. Then I left to work for another school because I couldn't put up with the bull crap. An English guy got stabbed in the arm with a pair of scissors because they said he was causing a fuss. (basically he was kicking off because he hadn't been paid for a month). I also knew a guy who had to take two days off sick and had a doctor's note. They told he couldn't do this when he went back in to school and from then on they would take 1000rmb out of his 4800rmb salary a month as a deposit if he did it again they would keep the money. If he finished his contract they would give him all the money back (around 7000rmb) But he just quit and found a new job after a month as there was no way they would have given him that money.
There's something strange going on with the edit links - they take you to the wrong section. Also, not all the sections show up in the index at the top. I hope that this is the right place to make this kind of comment! --Christiantc 11:11, 8 August 2007 (EDT)