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United States National Parks[edit]

Hey, so I dont think all the national parks on that list are going to have their own page. See Wikitravel:What is an article for some background on this, but I'd suggest starting with listing these as attractions until/less they grow into self-contained destinations... just a suggestion tho. Majnoona

Actually, almost all of them do pass the you-can-sleep-there test, as long as you don't mind sleeping in a campground or in the backcountry. The number of national parks in Utah is just incredible (and the list on the page as of this date isn't even complete!), and there are enough differences, and enough geographical separations, among them to justify a good number of subsidiary articles. A recommended solution is to subdivide the "Other destinations" section, to at least keep the bullet lists of manageable size. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:41, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Regions[edit]

One way of dealing with that long list is to set up some regions. (The state certainly needs them.) I've taken a crack at this; would someone from Utah please examine and edit? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:52, 26 February 2006 (EST)

I don't understand the recent edit to remove Eastern Utah and Western Utah as regions and put in Central Utah instead. As I understand the Wasatch Front region, it already describes the central part of the state, and several of the communities attributed to Central Utah fit quite well there. I can see downplaying the western part -- talk about sheer, unadulterated emptiness -- but with Eastern Utah removed, now there's nowhere sensible to put places like Vernal, Roosevelt, the Uintah reservation, etc. Explain, please. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:54, 17 March 2006 (EST)

Utah counties & cities.jpg
Utah could stand to have clearer regions, especially as it is the coolest travel destination in the US (IMHO). As it stands, I really don't know where to put information (and I have a lot to contribute). Could we try sorting out which counties belong to which regions? Here's a map to help out. I'll take a stab at this, but I only really know the southern third of the state. --Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Wasatch Front[edit]

  • Wasatch
  • Salt Lake
  • Utah

Central Utah[edit]

I have no clue what belongs here and my hunch is Bill was right—this overlaps with Wasatch Front. --Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Northern Utah[edit]

No clue here either. --Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Western Utah[edit]

Shouldn't we bring this back? Yes it is barren, but what else do we do with it? --Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Box Elder
  • Tooele
  • Juab
  • Millard
  • Beaver

Eastern Utah[edit]

Maybe this needs a different name, but this part of Utah needs to be covered! --Peter Talk 17:50, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Uintah
  • Dagget
  • Duchesne
  • Summit
  • Carbon

Canyon Country[edit]

  • Kane
  • Garfield
  • San Juan
  • Wayne
  • Emery?
  • Grand

Dixie[edit]

  • Washington
  • Iron
I think you're definitely on the right track Peter, although I would make a couple of changes. Here's my idea: The Wasatch Front is good, although it should also include Summit County (at least the western half, because that's where Park City is) and then go up to Northern Utah (since the actual mountain range does go up to about Idaho), so it should also include Morgan, Cache, Weber, and Rich counties as well. So there's no real need for a Northern Utah section.
Western Utah sounds good, only for Juab, Millard, and Beaver counties, just include the western half (explanation below).
I like the idea of Central Utah article, actually. Only it would be for the area along I-15 and US-89 south of the Wasatch Front region, so like Sanpete, Sevier, Piute, and then the eastern half of Beaver, Millard, and Juab counties. I think this region is unique enough that we don't need to split it among the other areas of the state.
Eastern Utah sounds good (should we call it "Northeastern Utah"?), only just include the eastern half of Summit county and also put Emery county in there, not in Canyon Country. And Canyon Country and Dixie look fine as they stand, just with Emery over in Eastern Utah. PerryPlanet 15:34, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
Great! I had a feeling you knew your stuff here ;) I'll get a new regions map up pronto. The only thing that could potentially hold things up is coming up with a specific dividing lines through split counties. --Peter Talk 18:14, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
Back to that question of where to draw dividing lines, would the longitude lines that bisect Summit County and Juab, Millard, & Beaver counties work? I think they come pretty close to cutting these counties in "half" and they are nice defined boundaries. --Peter Talk 18:35, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
Sounds great! Yeah, the longitude lines should work really well. :) PerryPlanet 18:58, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Alcohol[edit]

I don't think it's fair to state that Utah's alcohol laws are "archaic", or in some way behind the times. Nothing else in the article suggests this (i.e., stating that a membership is basically the same as a cover charge). A look at the article on Blue Law from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law#Utah) shows that there are several states that don't sell liquor on Sunday, which is really the only thing that could be considered archaic. It's fair to say that the laws are very strict in Utah, which is true, and though the laws may seem archaic compared to certain states or other countries, there is in fact very little in Utah's laws that can't be found in other states as well. Sloshmo 13:34, 15 August 2008 (MDT)
I'm very much in agreement. I'd say "very strict," just because liquor sales are very restricted, and it can be hard (if not simply impossible) to find a drink in most small towns I visited. Not that that matters much, I just brought some along in the car, and occasionally enjoyed a drink off in the desert. I'd encourage you to plunge forward and make the necessary fixes ;) --Peter Talk 15:49, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Warnings for Gay and Lesbian Travelers[edit]

I've removed any warnings for gay and lesbian travelers from the article because I feel people are being unnecessarily biased towards Utah - there are numerous states in this country where gay and lesbian travelers may feel uncomfortable. I know the heads of the Mormon church put money towards Prop 8, but that doesn't mean all Mormons supported Prop 8 and it certainly doesn't mean that Utah is a particularly unfriendly place toward gays and lesbians. Unless someone can offer proof of actual hate crimes occurring toward gay and lesbian travelers in Utah, I'm removing any more of these warnings. PerryPlanet Talk 13:34, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

I agree. There have been a spate of these sorts of edits over the past several months by editors looking to bring their politics here, rather than help by contributing travel content. It's hard for me to understand how someone would accuse an entire state of hatred and discrimination, and then urge a boycott, without recognizing the hypocrisy there...
In any rate, my experience is that Utah differs little from other parts of the country in attitudes towards homosexuality—anything outside of the mainstream is less acceptable in smaller cities & rural areas, whereas big cities will provide welcoming environments (and there's only one big city in Utah). The only real difference between Utah and other states is probably that Utahans are just generally warmer and nicer people across the board than you'd find elsewhere, so these "warnings" strike me as very ignorant, and not a little bigoted. --Peter Talk 16:55, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

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