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I created this page because it is or should be important to travellers. I compiled it from my notes and from new and older versions of wikipedia, because wikipedia is deleting valuable material because it is unsourced and "original research" ( read added by locals who know the customs).

Please help by checking, correcting and adding stuff for your own country or countries you are familiar with the customs.

Another idea is leaving the general info here, and including the country specific information to the countries and addin a link there to the generic info ( if doing that I would prefer a seperate section for it). But i'm not sure if that would be better or worse. Any thougts or inputs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Swissbelg (talkcontribs)

Great travel topic idea! Local tipping customs is a question for me everywhere I travel, and it would be nice to have this as a detailed, comprehensive reference. I'll do a bit of work at least on the U.S. conventions. (By the way, you can auto-sign your posts by typing four tildes at the end like so: ~~~~.) --Peter Talk 17:07, 6 January 2011 (EST)
Inas suggested that we move the country specific info to the country articles, which i find a very good idea. My only problem is that there is not really an appropriate section. The topic belongs to "Buy", "Eat", "Drink", "Sleep", and especially also to "Respect" in certain countries. A Solution could be an own section, the question is, is it important enough for that? I know to some travellers it is, to others not. It certainly would raise the possibility that someone adds content if there is an empty topic. Thoughts anyone? Swissbelg 06:21, 7 January 2011 (EST)
It's own section I don't think is a good idea. In the United States of America article, it is under Buy, which makes perfect sense as tipping is always done when buying. --globe-trotter 11:18, 9 January 2011 (EST)
All good to me. Anyway i'm gonna watch this page for a while before moving stuff to see if it gets used and updated and till i have time to move all the stuff at once. Swissbelg 09:36, 22 January 2011 (EST)
Leave it to the New Zealand section to make tipping advice a pretense for bashing the United States. Americans did not invent tipping, and besides, no one would think that Egyptian tipping customs are some broad indictment of Egyptian society! 69.171.160.101

$1 per 2 drinks in the US?[edit]

Wherever I've been in the US, that's been a disgraceful, even hostile tip. But I didn't want to simply revert an edit without discussion. Are there really parts of the US where it's actually acceptable in 2011 to tip so low in cheap bars? If so, where? Ikan Kekek 05:03, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Spare time any American?[edit]

MOVED HERE FROM TRAVELLER'S PUB I did an article on Tipping, any of you Americans have a little spare time to check the US part of it. For me this part is rather complicated ;-) —The preceding comment was added by Swissbelg (talkcontribs)

A link to the article would be useful. LtPowers 16:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)
I am sooo sorry ;-) ---> Tipping <--- Swissbelg 17:06, 6 January 2011 (EST)
Seriously, why don't we put this information in the relevant country articles. What use is a common travel topic like this? It just duplicates stuff, we already have a USA#Tipping, which is a good guide. Similarly Australia#Tipping --inas 17:42, 6 January 2011 (EST)
Oh, the usual "everything is a bad idea" fraction is awake;-). Feel free to read the discussion page as well. The "Understand" section is the most important part btw, and copying that into every article is not so practical... Swissbelg 18:10, 6 January 2011 (EST)
I don't accept that my opinion is that everything is a bad idea, and I do find that aside offensive. I have read the article, and the discussion. You are asking for someone from the U.S. to review information on tipping in a new article, when many many people from the U.S and elsewhere have already worked collaboratively to make the current USA#Tipping section. Have you read that section of the USA article? --inas 19:05, 6 January 2011 (EST)
Good, that was intentional. Just wanted to take the needle out and sting back. I find your comment unappreciating and showing of not much collaborative spirit. What about "Nice work, but did you know there is already..."? No i didn't, I searched for tipping and results were nill. In most countries there is nothing about it, And there was also no travel topic about it, so i thought i "plunge forward". The Travel topic is meant as complementary background information, not just a list of "tip that much for this service, tip that much for that service". If you personally don't need this information, don't read it. Swissbelg 21:11, 6 January 2011 (EST)
I have no wish to prick anyone with needles, nor do I feel I have been stung. If I inadvertantly offended you I am sorry to have done so. I was merely trying to make my point concisely, so again, apologies if you saw my comment as terse.
However, I am still criticising the need for an article in the current form, so please do not take it personally.
Okay, back to the topic at hand. Now that we are both aware of the tipping sections in the articles, do you see the my reasoning for not duplicating that info? It is true enough that many articles don't have sections on tipping, but there is certainly nothing stopping us adding the info if we have it. Maybe we can modify the tipping article so it makes users aware of the tipping sections in the travel guides. --inas
Sorry as well,i didn't mean it that seriously. To the topic: I stated in the discussion part myself that i collected the information, and now we should find a place for it. I find your idea perfect to move it to the articles and making the users aware of it in there. Details we can discuss over the there in Talk:Tipping. Swissbelg 06:10, 7 January 2011 (EST)
Avoiding duplication with tipping information in destination guides is certainly sensible. But there are two advantages to the separate tipping article that I would prefer not to lose: 1) it is clear for which countries we lack the info, which should encourage a more rapid development of that information; 2) when necessary, we can have longer, more detailed sections. Point two could be satisfied by perhaps only splitting the information out for the most complex tipping cultures (basically, just the U.S.). --Peter Talk 23:16, 8 January 2011 (EST)

I don't see how having a travel topic makes it clear at all whether we have the info or not. There could be info in the travel topic, and not in the article, or info in the article, but not in the travel topic. This is the issue with duplicating info in two places. On a small site with limited resources, updating the info back and forth is a bad use of scarce resource, and likely to fall out of date quickly. --inas 17:05, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Peter has a point there. In an article people are not explicitly looking for it, in a travel topic they are. People have already started adding information btw. I don't know too much about the software behind wiki, i guess there is no way to link both together? Swissbelg 04:59, 10 January 2011 (EST)
There are bits of magic within mediawiki can interpolate text, but they aren't pretty or easy to maintain, and we don't generally use them here.
Some things, like Scuba diving, are another way of looking at travel. You can look at the places to dive and then decide on where to go. Tipping isn't like that - it is a fact about the destination.
Oh, but you can do that, that's why i don't travel to the US ;-P (Just kidding) Swissbelg 10:00, 14 January 2011 (EST)
So I dispute that people aren't going to be specifically looking for it in a destination guide. It is exactly where people will go to find out information about tipping at a destination. --inas 23:33, 10 January 2011 (EST)
Once again:i have no problems moving it to the articles, i just wanted to discuss it with you guys first. Mind if i move this discussion to the page's talk page? Swissbelg 10:00, 14 January 2011 (EST)
  • In my opinion, I think both viewpoints have merit, and don't have to be mutually exclusive. I like this article as an overview of tipping practices. I also think having info at specific location articles would be useful. I think the goal of having info available is more important that worrying about having a bit of duplication in more than one place, so let's have the info both here and in the country/location articles where practical. Infrogmation 15:12, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Tipping in Germany[edit]

Living here for 3 years, I found that tipping is not that much expected. 5-10% tipping is a bit too far. The most appropriate way is similar to Austrian one: Round it up, add a bit 1-2 Euros if necessary.

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