This article has Star potential. It’s well written with great information. However, for Star status it needs both to be entirely complete and to perfectly match the Manual of style. If you see how it can be improved, please plunge forward or point it out on the talk page.
Well, there have been some links pointing to this page that doesn't exist yet. It has even been hinted that I should approach this subject. Where to begin? Rather than just throwing a few thoughts to the wind, I thought I'd get started with a list of questions:
What sections do we need?
How can this be a "travel" page and not turn into something else? Wikitravel isn't meant to be a career planning site.
Who else should I approach for help on this?
So, I started talking to myself on my Talk page with some some preliminary ideas which Hypatia suggested I bring right over here to the talk page. Thanks, Hypatia! Ted 20:37, 3 Dec 2004 (EST)
Note to self: I'll have to ask a friend, Charles Q, to get involved with wikitravel and help with the language school side of things.
Approach JET / JETAA
Need people in the profession in Eastern Europe, SE Asia, and South America. Local conditions vary widely (I think).
Anybody else interested in helping to work this up into something reasonable?
Maj, you may want to see if you can contact this guy Ted. He doesn't have an email contact on Wikitravel, but if your able to get a hold of him it could be worth it. Sapphire 21:00, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
According to an email correspondence (With a Berlitz employee in Cincinnati) I had while bumbling around in Euroland Berlitz doesn't require any certificate. Instead they will train you and employ you too.
Undecided. How about filling this out as a travel topic and using it as a sup article for Gap year travel? Something like where a person can teach English, any degrees or certifications needed to teach English in a weird place like the Czech Republic, then the various teaching certificated like TEFL and TOEFL that way the article at the very least has some reason for existence. Or if we do delete this would this be an appropriate sub article for Gap year travel? It could be found here Gap year travel/Teaching English. Sapphire 03:44, 4 April 2006 (EDT)
Delete - Maj updated the content, so keep. Anyone with lots of time and creativity who feels like putting together guidelines for topics in Wikitravel:What is an article?, we could use it. -- Ryan 06:32, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
Keep, but instead of calling it "Teaching English" how about "Language immersion travel" or something of the like and also have information for people traveling to study and people traveling to teach various languages? If this seems to be a long shot change my vote to delete. Sapphire 00:31, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
Just to point it out, the content of this article is currently "How to teach English to kids is to get a book and read to them." I don't disagree that a sufficiently motivated person might create a good article on this subject, but since the title isn't clearly something that would become a valid article, and since the content is clearly invalid, why keep this? I won't delete this (for now) to allow further comment, but other admins may feel differently and delete the article in accordance with the policy that articles without consensus to keep be deleted. -- Ryan 18:52, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
I still say it's a super-valid article... it could include information on where the best places to visit, how long usual contracts are, etc. I just walked my sister through this process (she's in South Korea now!). I'll try to take it under my (very crowded) wing and make something of it. Majnoona 19:54, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
Sorry, I didn't mean to say it's not potentially a valid topic, but there are probably a million or so topics that are potentially valid, and we don't really have any criteria for what stays or goes. In this case the article was created by a known vandal and had no useful content, so it seemed contrary to the goal of having useful guides to keep it around. Now that you've added more info to the article I'd be in favor of keeping it, but it's a bit of a slippery slope to not have guidelines for travel topics and to then say that any topic that may possibly be useful to travelers is going to be kept irrespective of what the article content is. -- Ryan 20:12, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
Keep. Tons of travellers use teaching English to pay their way overseas. This is a good travel topic. --Evan 20:09, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
I chose to put this here, not in the main English teaching page. Was I right or should it be where Wikitravellers who read English but speak other languages can find it? Pashley 01:03, 26 April 2006 (EDT)
Since it now has links, it seemed worth copying to the main page. Pashley 23:50, 5 October 2006 (EDT)
The US Peace Corps'presence in China is limited to English Teaching only so it would be worth a mention I think. akajoey 7 March 2008
Should links to country-specific English-teaching sites be here (as some are now)? Or should they be moved to the work section of country articles (my preference)? Or deleted altogether because there's a slippery slope here (there are at least a dozen sites for China alone) and we don't want to become a web directory? Pashley
Country-specific sites should be moved to the country articles' Work sections. I think the usefulness outweighs the slipperyslopeness, and there aren't that many of them compared to, say, hotel booking engines. Jpatokal 01:10, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
I've been trying to address the main objection by adding a section titled "The work", but that is neither finished nor very good. Anyone else want to pitch in? Pashley 03:10, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
I think you've got some good points in there and you're headed in the right direction with that section. The notes about teacher talk time, beginner reluctance, and grammar curveballs are all important. Gorilla Jones 22:41, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
I've gone about as far as I can, adding "The work" section and rewriting "Pay and conditions" fairly extensively. Someone else should take it from there, expand further, or if it looks complete, consider re-nominating it for Star. Pashley
bump Are we there yet? Pashley 06:30, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
After a rather lengthy absence, I'm back on Wikitravel and really happy to see that this ELT page has taken off. I added a bit here and there, especially the new professional organisations section. These groups are maybe the best ways to get a job or prepare to work in a country. There is danger of the list getting out of hand, but I think it has value: one as a spark to lead people to places they might not have considered working; and two, there isn't a particularly good list elsewhere to link out to. I inadvertently logged out, so the edit looks anonymous.
One question: If people agree this list is worthwhile, then JALT.org and CamTESOL.org belong there too. But, since I'm an officer for both of those organizations, perhaps I shouldn't be posting that info myself? Thanks. Ted 22:57, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Nice work, good info. I rearranged slightly, moving existing TESOL and IATEFL info into that section and shortening the title. I'd say by all means add JALT and CamTESOL. Pashley 07:17, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Hmmm. We've said country-specific job sites should go in the Work sections of country articles, not here. Should that apply to country-specific professional organisations? I'm mildly inclined to think not, but it seems worth asking. Pashley 10:09, 2 March 2008 (EST)
I can see the logic of country-specific job sites in country articles. On the other hand, I think the professional organisations can stay here for two reasons: they are less likely to proliferate the way job sites do (often one or two per country), and these orgs usually host conferences and publish journals which are of interest to people regardless of what country they are in or may be planning to visit. Also, some organisations are transnational. Ted 21:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)
This section has the potential to grow out of control if every TEFL site decides to add itself there. One solution is just to remove that section, but there should be some less draconian steps. Seems some guidelines are in order: non-profit sites, sites from academic sources? No adding yourself to the list (Links added from accounts and some explanation on the talk page?) Just thinking out loud at this point. Anyone have a view on this? Ted 21:11, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
I agree, it's a problem. Not sure of the solution. Perhaps move the Wikis to their own section, delete the rest? Dave's and a few other job-hunting sites already have links in the "Looking for work" section. Pashley 21:44, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
Two obvious restrictions. No country or region-specific sites; those go in country articles. No schools or recruiters, only job ad sites. I'm not sure that's enough, but a start. Pashley 09:04, 7 December 2008 (EST)
I took a crack at fixing this, changing the title and adding a comment warning editors off adding various things. Reactions? Pashley 06:00, 20 December 2008 (EST)
The section Teaching other languages lists organisations that teach most of the other major world languages, but not one for Russian. A web search in English gave confusing results. Can someone, perhaps a Russian speaker, do better? Pashley 20:55, 18 March 2011 (EDT)