Talk:Sweden

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Religion[edit]

As usual, the amount of christians in Sweden is extremely exaggerated, due to the extremely high amount of church membership (since everyone born before 1996 automatically became a member, and few care to end their membership). 23 percent atheist is, as anyone knows, not true. 76% would be more like it. Can someone find some good sources, preferably quick, to replace these lies? It's not like there is any controversy surrounding this issue. One recommendation would be to check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Sweden Actually, one of the sources of polls shown there shows 76% not being theist (http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf page 9), thus definitely not 76% luthereans. 81.226.215.80 16:41, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

I agree 76% lutherans is an exaggerated figure. According to the Eurobarometer poll you linked to, however, 23% is an accurate figure for atheists. The problem is the 53% who answered "I believe there is some sort of spirit or life force". Strictly speaking, this view does fall under the term atheism in it's broadest sense, the absence of belief in gods. It is not, however, an outright rejection of theism and I don't think many among those 53% would accept the label "atheist" (a frustrating number of people present agnosticism as their religious views when in fact it's a purely philosophical one).

I suggest the following text instead of the one now present:

23% theist (mainly Lutheran with muslim and catholic minorities), 76% nontheist (including 23% atheist)

opinions? Stfn 14:17, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

Agree with User:Stfn. Pretty few are atheists, pretty few are denominational, most are eclectic "believers" in this-or-that spiritual. User:Rursus on Wikipedia 03:20, 16 December 2011 (EST)

Time zone[edit]

UTC does not change when summer time comes along. Swedens time zone is CET in wintertime and CEST in summertime. Or am I reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC incorrectly? Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT which has a nice map showing this.

Finally, see the time zone entry on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden

I didn't change anything since it's probably following the same pattern for all countries. With fact errors like this, I beginning to doubt that wikitravel is even serious.

Population[edit]

Moved from main article...

For a little time ago it was 9 million. But according to this population clock: http://www.scb.se/templates/befolkningsklocka/befklocka_mall____75500.asp it is not it any more. It says around 8 980 000.
But it is from the Statistiska Centralbyrån, and they know that.

As of 19 Nov 2004, this link says 9,010,000 people... so let's just say about 9 million for now. -Nick 18:14, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

Hierarchy[edit]

The 3 lands that were listed before make an excellent short introduction. The provinces are listed in each land. Is there a strong reason to change this? I think not. --Evan 10:39, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

I've rolled it back; please see Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy for details as to why. --Evan 10:41, 15 Dec 2005 (EST)

Road pirates[edit]

Road-pirates! what!? Urbanlegend based on a few isolated road-muggings..

Yeah, I'm not sure I even understand the description. They fill up your tank while you're sleeping? Huh? Is the car moving during this procedure? --Evan 20:34, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)
Hum, I'll make it shorter or remove it untill someone manages to give a proper description in English. /Adestro 18:25, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
Road pirates are people that come into your, say, caravan at night while you are asleep on the side of the road and steal stuff. Very, or even extremely uncommon, see no reason for it to be in here. /Joel
I wouldn't say "very, or even extremely uncommon" and absolutely not "[u]rbanlegend based on a few isolated ...". Sure, the problem has declined during 2006, but the last few years before that were pretty bad and the police have been running several campaigns warning people not to sleep in their vans alongside certain roads. 83.233.155.80 14:03, 11 December 2006 (EST)
Being serious when it was written, the warning seems obsolete by now. The last report was years ago. /Blist 11:29, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

City listings[edit]

According to the Wikitravel guidelines, lists of cities, regions etc should not exceed 9. The list for Sweden is well over this number. If someone has sufficient knowledge of ther country, could they prune the list. Thanks. WindHorse 14 Feb 06

Done! /81.235.1.154 10:28, 23 February 2006 (EST)
Thanks for picking out the right cities. I restored four of the deleted cities because no region article currently links to them, and we prefer not to orphan them. They're clearly marked so that we know they ought to be deleted once the region article exists. -- Colin 14:34, 23 February 2006 (EST)

I don't really think Kiruna could be called a major city, could it? Luleå is a slightly dubious candidate as well, but at least it is the major city of northern Norrland.

-Stfn 14:21, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

Racist?[edit]

From article: It is not likely, but it might happen that a group of foreign looking (non-Swedish) young men approaches you and ask for cigarettes. When (if) you choose to not give them any (or that you simply don't smoke) they might rob you and beat you up!

What makes it more likely that non-Swedish looking people would rob you? Sounds a little bit racist to me --217.211.68.33 08:14, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
Come on! The risk of getting robbed is almost zero.
WTF?? Foreign-looking young men asking for cigarettes and then robbing you? that is just racist and plainly stupid. I'm erasing it.
It's true though. A few friends of mine who have been robbed in that manner, all robbers were non-swedish
the truth about racism in sweden isnt accepted on this site, for information youll have to look for other sources!
What could be added is the fact that it is quite uncommon for people to come up to you and ask for ciggaretts (except from bars). People comming up to you MIGHT have another purpose.
To paraphrase Colberg, "reality has a well-known racial bias".

I've always wanted to go to Sweden, but I just read that in Sweden there is discrimination even based on hair colour! - Cannot believe it! Is this true?

"I've always wanted to go to Sweden, but I just read that in Sweden there is discrimination even based on hair colour! - Cannot believe it! Is this true?"
Yes, just like in any other country in the world there is discrimination based on hair color. The truth is Sweden is a modern nation with many immigrants. Thus it naturally has some difficulties assimilating and accomodating them - also like any other modernized country. The situation is quite complicated however, so don't get caught up on the hair color aspect, as if that was the defining issue. About 1/5 of the Swedish population is now composed of immigrants and their children. So, don't worry if you have dark hair or skin and are going on vacation here, people won't give you any notice on the streets (I met a guy from black guy from Texas here that said he loved it because people didn't stare at him when he was in public places). Besides, Swedes are in my experience less racist than Germans, Franchmen, Spaniards, Italians, Americans and Australians. The problem with racism here is to a large extent "structural racism", that people of e.g. Middle-Eastern descent have a harder time getting employment. (Vidyadhara 12:03, 16 July 2008 (UT))

Sweden is the country of double standards, Saying one thing, doing another thing. Besides, as Swedes Them Selves say "Sweden is boring, cold and dark," That Is Why They drink so much and Behav like pigs. A very very depressing place.

There certainly was a LOT of racism amongst young people in Sweden in the 1990s; we had a big wave of neo-nazism back then and semi-nazi music being acceptable to play on school buses (at least in the south where I am from). I was often picked on as a teenager for "not looking Swedish" (almost black hair, mixed heritage, although I am Swedish). As a small teenage girl, I had adult men screaming at me "go home, you fucking Turk" at me. Since then, I feel that it has got a lot better; since around 2001, this does not happen as much. Also when I was a child (I was born in 1978) there was a lot, lot, lot of bullying in the schools and it is also my understanding that this has greatly improved since then.124.191.154.114 19:40, 12 July 2013 (EDT)JennyAnna

I minor objection about the handling of fresh fruits[edit]

Quote: "When shopping for groceries, it is customary to buy fruit and vegetables that you touch."

I have never heard anyone complaining about people touching fruits or vegetables and then not buying them. I think this is an expression of the germ fear of the author. Instead I would say that it is quite ok. to feel if fruits etc. are ripe.

if you live there and have first hand knowledge of it then why not just go in and change it to a more suitable description - or erase it altogether, if it isn't really an issue - no need to talk about feeling fruit for ripeness unless there's something uniquely Swedish about it...  :) Cacahuate 05:08, 27 November 2006 (EST)
Agree with Cacahuate. Go ahead and remove it. /Jake73

Removing it NOW since I live here. /Mattias

I do to, and, while I don't think about whether others might have touched the fruits I buy, I always feel a bit guilty when touching fruits I don't buy. Maybe just me. :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.253.224.93 (talkcontribs) 9 May 2007

Swedes are not THAT sensitive, or are they?[edit]

Quote: "Keep hand gestures to a minimum. The Swedes use few gestures when speaking and are not comfortable with a lot of bodily contact, so maintain an arm's length of personal space and avoid backslapping and other overt physical expressions. Speak in a calm and composed manner at all times. You rarely hear people raising their voices in Sweden."

While the above may be a good description of how the average Swedish person talks and acts, I definitely think that it's over the top to tell tourists that it's how they should act. It's not like the Swedes have a problem with hand gestures and back slapping. Most of them have even seen a foreigner before! :) If nobody objects I'll erase or at least modify it. /Jake73

No objection here! better that you just make it sound better and then if anyone objects they can further alter it... plunge forward! Cacahuate 06:42, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Well acctually, it's a very good descriptopn of swedes. Speaking as a swede, I personally hate it when foreigners do this (mostly swedes of middle-easterns ethnicity), and I find it quite disturbing. So, I guess, using excessive body language with intrusion to the personal space, and raising your voice, would be recommended against. /PutBoy

I dont think there's anything wrong with telling visitors what would be polite or warn them that Swedes may have different ideas about personal space. It's up to people to decide if they care or not, but it's nice to mention it. Maybe the wording could be changed to more descriptive and less prescriptive? It seems like useful cultural information to me. Maj 17:18, 11 December 2006 (EST)

Prostitution and cannabis[edit]

I noticed that two bits of information had been removed and I restored them. The bits are that buying sex is "considered extremely shameful by most people in Sweden" and "Do not expect Swedes, including young people, to be liberal when it comes to cannabis and other soft drugs". I strongly want to defend those paragraphs since they concern two areas where a visitor to Sweden may turn himself into instant pariah by saying the wrong thing. Swedes in general are, without a doubt, much more negative to prostitution and cannabis than citizens of most other Western countries. Jake73 19:01, 20 December 2006 (EST)


That is not true. I am born and raised in Stockholm, Sweden, and i was brought up in a Ghetto and later on moved to a much better suburb. I know this place like tha back of my hand, and i guarantee you this: Most people, i wouls say around 90% of the populations, has tried any kind of drugs before. Wheter you are from a ghettoo suburb or castle, you are not consider being a active citizen if you never smoked weed, according to the law of society. I used to smoke, all day, everyday, 3 years in a row, but i thought that was just youth or young adults that did these things. Listen, i worked in a movie store years ago in Stockholm, and I got to know many customers, and they told me that they smoke grass. Personally, if someone tells me that they smoke grass, I don't really care about it, but looking like freaking Jim Carrey, Doland Trump and say they smoke grass, you become a little surprised, but that is how it is. Saw a police facebook profile for a couple of years ago, where he personally posted pictures of his own cocaine. WTF, and it was real coke, started reading his friends comments and visiting their profiles, and it all Seems like They were up to something for sure. I've got my neighbors drinking and shouting out loud at night every weekend, and God know what they do. Lately, im starting to see different cars looking all suspicious parked in front of Their houses, with the door to the tailgate open to cover their act, so what is it that they do, and even the neighbor's neighbor is a cop, and this particular cop is hanging around with these cocaine dealers. DRUGS IN SWEDEN ARE hugely common, not the least unusual.

I must say that what you just said about drugs being uncommen, i dont think you are from sWEEDen AT ALL, cause even tourists have smoked weed here. And FYI, it is pretty good.


And speaking of prostitutes, there was a long time ago a whore street, but it has now been removed. Now, however, there are streets where prostitutes hang, but no recognized streets, the whores are just walking around. One must wait until they find you, you dont find them as easy, but most of the women are actually sleeping around with many different partners, but there are some good girls. But keep in mind That you can never really trust anyone.

Planning a trip in Sweden[edit]

I plan a trip in Sweden, and i have two weeks time (from 4th May to 18th May). Which places do you suggest me to visit?

Regions[edit]

I am busy creating a new map for Sweden (a combination of the Region map and CIA map). Can anyone tell me if that open gap between Svealand and Götaland on the current region map is intentional or is there a province that should slot in there. --NJR_ZA 13:40, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

That's a lake :-) --85.227.189.54 14:51, 1 April 2008 (EDT)


hitchhicking ??[edit]

" Ordinary people are often afraid to pick up strangers, unless they're women with babies in desperate conditions, after dark maybe (when it's probable that leaving them there means killing them by hypothermia "

What kind of sentence is that....


Hej, I've never edited anything on wikipedia before and it seems a bit strange to just do it without consulting anyone. Of course this is very much based on your experience but I have had no problems hitching in Sweden and nor has anyone else I know, I would definitely rate it as easy as anywhere else in Northern Europe to get a lift, so I'm gonna edit it in a few days to be a bit more positive unless anyone has any objections.

DRUGS[edit]

"Though narcotics are not unheard of, most Swedes, old as young, are strongly opposed to them, and the criminal penalties are hard by Swedish standards. This also applies to cannabis and other "soft drugs"

That is not true. I am born and raised in Stockholm, Sweden, and i was brought up in a Ghetto and later on moved to a much better suburb. I know this place like tha back of my hand, and i guarantee you this: Most people, i wouls say around 90% of the populations, has tried any kind of drugs before. Wheter you are from a ghettoo suburb or castle, you are not consider being a active citizen if you never smoked weed, according to the law of society. I used to smoke, all day, everyday, 3 years in a row, but i thought that was just youth or young adults that did these things. Listen, i worked in a movie store years ago in Stockholm, and I got to know many customers, and they told me that they smoke grass. Personally, if someone tells me that they smoke grass, I don't really care about it, but looking like freaking Jim Carrey, Doland Trump and say they smoke grass, you become a little surprised, but that is how it is. Saw a police facebook profile for a couple of years ago, where he personally posted pictures of his own cocaine. WTF, and it was real coke, started reading his friends comments and visiting their profiles, and it all Seems like They were up to something for sure. I've got my neighbors drinking and shouting out loud at night every weekend, and God know what they do. Lately, im starting to see different cars looking all suspicious parked in front of Their houses, with the door to the tailgate open to cover their act, so what is it that they do, and even the neighbor's neighbor is a cop, and this particular cop is hanging around with these cocaine dealers. DRUGS IN SWEDEN ARE hugely common, not the least unusual.

I must say that what you just said about drugs being uncommen, i dont think you are from sWEEDen AT ALL, cause even tourists have smoked weed here. And FYI, it is pretty good.

New paragraph[edit]

Hi there. I have inserted [1] a paragraph that I consider important to all Sweden tourists but wasn't sure where exactly to put it. Please move to a better place if there is one. Cheers, 90.233.184.6 06:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Not in great shape[edit]

This article that is. A tiny understand section with no History or Climate sub-sections. And only two valid Other destinations listed. Someone who knows Sweden well please have a go at improving this.--Burmesedays 10:42, 4 March 2010 (EST)

Get In[edit]

Please clarify discussion of "...counter begins..." in fourth para. Probably refers to number of days any traveler may stay in country or (Schengen) countries without a visa, but doesn't refer to any discussion of the "counter" or number of days, on this page or elsewhere. Same text occurs for Denmark & Copenhagen, possibly others. Regards, hennejj@aol.com.

ATM section is very confusing[edit]

The sentences "For withdrawals with debit cards accounted for the last five transactions on the memory patch. A medkontohavare can make withdrawals from the account with their own cards. Do you have withdrawal rights, you own card with them aside from others' accounts" is particularly confusing; I cannot make out what the original writer is trying to convey, even after reading it multiple times. Could someone with knowledge of the banking system in Sweden please rewrite this section? midnightreport 19:12, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

I've deleted it, as it's hardly relevant for travelers, and those few it would be relevant to, will have this thoroughly explained by their Swedish bank.--Stefan (sertmann) talk 19:45, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

Hamburger chain max[edit]

The bit about hamburger restaurant Max seems a bit exaggerated.. "for tasteful Scandinavian furnishing, clean restrooms, no trans fats and free coffee with meals". The second and third statements are uncertain and subjective. Forth statement is pure advertisement, not relevant for an article about sweden. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.216.227.32 (talkcontribs) 17:29, 16 August 2010

Shoes?[edit]

I as a Swede do no tknow anyone that would like to have anyone to walk around in their appartment with their shoes on. In very rare ocasions are shoes allowed indoors.

Shoes?[edit]

I as a Swede do no tknow anyone that would like to have anyone to walk around in their appartment with their shoes on. In very rare ocasions are shoes allowed indoors.

Get in entry requirements[edit]

In case anyone wants to know the source of my edits to include information about the visa exemption for 'Annex II' nationals to work during their 90 day visa-free entry, see this European Union document - [2]. Yeahtravel 17:33, 31 May 2011 (EDT)