Talk:South (United States of America)
Fortunately or unfortunately, this collection of American states has historically been called "The South". I left off the "The" since we're kinda not doing that with destinations -- maybe that should go on the article naming conventions? -- Evan 11:00, 29 Oct 2003 (PST)
OK. But I think of "The South" as the states that were part of the Confederacy. Washington, D.C. was never part of the Confederacy. Neither was Kentucky. http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/map1.html Times change. Maybe referring to something that hasn't existed since 1865 (the Confederacy) is not the best way to organize information for travelers in 2005.
-- DavidCary 19:31, 2 Apr 2004 (EST)
I've always been under the impression that the South was everything under the Mason Dixon line. Maryland has been moved to the mid-atalantic though, so we're obviously not using that scheme. My personal belief is that the South encompasses all areas where sweet tea is easily obtainable, but I guess that's a tad subjective. --BrianUNC1 13:30, 3 Mar 2005 (EST)
I know this discussion has already sort of been had, but is Delaware really part of the South?? Isn't there someone around here thats from Delaware that can say? I've never heard of that before... -- Ilkirk 15:30, 26 Aug 2005 (EDT)
There's also the matter of West Virginia, which has always been a borderline state; it wasn't part of the Confederacy, but culturally it seems to be a better fit with the South (although certainly as you go further north, you could make an argument that it patterns together with Ohio and Pennsylvania). Personally, I'd consider it to be a Southern state, so I'm not sure that the Confederate argument is the best way to frame the entire page, at least not without some qualifications. (I think you could also make an argument for northern Florida, which is much less snowbirdy than Orlando and parts south.) -- Haem85 14:55, 24 April 2006 (EDT)
Just so you know, the same debate also applies to the northern third of the state of Kentucky, mostly the city of Louisville and the Cincinnati suburbs. I think the best thing to do is just acknowledge the fact that the boundaries are cultural and therefore somewhat fluid. Also, both Maryland and Delaware were orginally considered part of the South because they still permitted slavery at the time of the Civil War. However, the culture of the region has changed since then and it makes more sense nowadays to draw the line at DC --Greaselemur
Maryland and DC
Maryland and Washington DC are both in the Mid-Atlantic. We can move them here, or not, but let's make the choice and stick to it.
Also, please remember that this group of states is mostly a convenient way to break up the USA, and not a history lesson. I think that the DC-to-NYC corridor is much more cohesive as a travel destination than Maryland-to-Miami. --Evan 23:06, 26 Dec 2005 (EST)
The Mason-Dixon line is the border between North and South, culturally and historically. Maryland did not secede due to President Lincoln preventing her from doing so and we say y'all. We had the uglies of slavery and segregation and the beauties of sweet tea and magnolia's. Maryland is a Southern State. Maryland to Georgia were the Southern colonies of the British and each named after a British Monarch.
Does anyone object to swapping out Norfolk (Virginia) for Charleston (South Carolina)? I don't think Norfolk really has all that much to offer, whereas Charleston is a wonderful travel destination and is the quintessential "Southern" city. --Peter Talk 15:57, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Isn't Oklahoma suppose to be mentioned in this article? Oklahoma has been considered to be a Southern state in many occasions. Thanks, --18.104.22.168 04:14, 26 December 2007 (EST)
Wikipedia lists Oklahoma as a Southern state. Should this not match? Also, if Texas is mentioned as being often considered part of the South, then Oklahoma should be listed as well. I've lived in Oklahoma, Texas and Virginia. I assure you that if you've listed Texas and Virginia as being culturally Southern, there should be no question that Oklahoma belongs on that list.
"Today, the South is defined as more of a cultural region than a geographical region, since the United States extends much further west now than they did during the War."
This line bothers me. The borders of the contiguous US have not really changed since Gadsden Purchase which was seven years before the War of Southern Insurrection. So the Southern geographical area of the United States had been there for quite some time before the war (see Mexican-American War).
Perhaps the line can be edited to something along the lines of, "Today the South is defined more by historical cultural similarities that date back to the early days of the United States and during the time of the colonies. Today, The South is synonymous with a region that attempted to secede from the Union and/or were slave states."
To say that "It is not true that Southerners remain loyal to any ideology separating them from identifying first and foremost as Americans due to the American Civil War which occurred in the mid 19th Century," seems incredibly dishonest and misses some of the best parts of the South. Intense regionalism, anti-Federal feeling (evidenced by the tea party movement, new interest in secession, etc). Anyone who can watch the 150th Anniv celebration of the States' Independence from Federal Tyranny which have been ongoing this year knows that this isn't true. God Save the South still has meaning. And no, we're not talking about the North along for the ride. —The preceding comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
The targeting of non-whites or ethnic groups for serious harassment is rare.
I honestly don't feel that emphasizing this is extraneous. As it stands, this line to me seems to insinuate that there is a possibility that something like this has a better chance of happening in the South than elsewhere, when in fact, there really isn't. Peyton 00:12, 26 May 2010 (EDT)
Yams and Sweet Potatoes
Yams and Sweet Potatoes are two different vegetables entirely, and are not even related to each other. I have edited this misconception in the "Eat" section of the page to simply say sweet potatoes instead of yams. The scientific name for yams is ""Dioscorea Species"" and for sweet potatoes it is ""Ipomoea batatas"", so they are clearly not the same crop and should not be confused with eachother. —The preceding comment was added by Nemuri (talk • contribs)
I think as floods and tornadoes have recently struck the south (especially among the Mississippi River and a few other states) I think it's fair to add a travel warning. Action52 14:59, 14 May 2011 (EDT)