Talk:Slovenia

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Burek[edit]

Regardless of whether bureks are Slovenian or not, the fact is that they are certainly widely available throughout the country (and I recommend the little joint in front of Ljubljana's train station). So please don't delete this... instead, feel free to add 'really' Slovene food.

Now, the Central vs Eastern Europe debate is another thing, I happen to agree with you but please continue the discussion under Talk:Europe before making any changes. Jpatokal 05:47, 16 Nov 2004 (EST)

Research links removed from article[edit]

These external links were removed from the article, as they did not meed the external links guidelines, but may assist contributors. -- Huttite 00:59, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

a part of staying safe was modified since it some people might find it offensive

Some more:

Dovje Mojstrana[edit]

Kranjska Gora[edit]

Bled[edit]

Cyrillic and Russian?[edit]

Cyrillic alphabet, while it was taught to "middle" generation (parts of Yugoslavia used cyrillic), is not used anywhere, so people have mainly forgot it. Russian language was not taught, and while it is also a slavic language it deviates quite a bit. Some basic words are common (across many slavic languages), but don't expect too much.

So... this info doesn't seem too useful, and can be deceiving.

This section was becoming a mess in which most information was given at least twice. I cleaned it up and, in agreement with the above, watered down the understanding of Slavic languages to "communication is possible, but requires effort". I removed cyrillic alphabet which is read by Serbian and Macedonian minority at best, and by those speaking Russian, which is not commonly taught any more. JanezDemsar 02:19, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

Advertisements?[edit]

An inside tip would be Adam Ravbar beer, which is usually hard to find anywhere except in their small brewery (located in Domžale, a town about 10 km north of Ljubljana). Is this allowed here? I mean... it's not some very popular beer. Never heard of it until now. OTOH, one can find smaller breweries here and there.

"Allowed"? It's a free country website, and it does say that it's an "inside tip". Jpatokal 12:53, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Talking badly about...[edit]

"Slovenians also (like many Europeans) don't like American foreign policy, their way of living or habits, so be careful when you discuss European-American relations. Most people lived a good life during the socialist era, so try not talk badly about Cuba, Venezuela or Russia, since Slovenians tend to be pretty sensitive to this subject."

This is somewhat oddly written. I've lived here for 23 years and never got into a heated argument with people about any of those countries. While Slovenes tend to have a better opinion about Russia than for example, Czechs, Poles and other nations which had direct contact with Russia, the vast majority really doesn't have either a very positive or a very negative opinion about Cuba or Venezuela. I think this part of the text is quite unnecessary. 94.127.29.247 14:12, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

re: I think slovenians are very reserved / sensitive and won't talk about more 'socialist' systems in those countries. But if you force us to then discussion can be very heated as we are still very divided into those in favour of partisans who often liked old socialist system and the other half that viewed it as a brutal regime. It all goes to partisans and domobrans and both view each other as traitors/collaborators.

In this view I've changed text on the page from Nazi-collaborator factions to axis-sponsored anti-communist reactionary factions - hear me why: 1) Italy was arming these units too 2) domobrans collaborators were almost unique in that they were not true collaborators as its base wasn't fascist as most collaborators in other countries were but rather an answer to communist terror. It's worth mentioning that even though they are often labelled as collaborators they in some instances helped allied pilots and all of their songs were in slovene even though slovenian language was forbidded under germans which is a sigh of defiance. Also, not one of these songs had any fascist connotations, most were about fight against partisans/communists or about our country (check youtube if you want). As you can see those were dificult times, people were forced to choose between two evils - between collaboration with germany to fend off communists or vice-versa. So I hope you'll agree I had no foul intentions and that I haven't changed history section or misrepresented domobranci (I think axis-sponsored anti-communists is still descriptive enough that you can form an objective opinion), I've only made it so that the text is now respectful of both sides. :)

Agreed. Respect sections, unfortunately, tend to attract a lot of silliness. Please feel free to remove/reduce any other silliness you see. --Peter Talk 16:31, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Regions[edit]

Ten top-level regions seem like a few too many for Slovenia. I've cut it down to six -- let me know if you any thoughts, objections, etc. Cheers - Shaund 00:41, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Proposed regions for Slovenia
Coast and Karst (Piran, Koper, Postojna)
The southwestern corner of Slovenia with rolling hills, awe-inspiring caves and the country's 42 km of coastline.
Julian Alps (Bled, Triglav National Park)
The mountainous northwest with hiking, rafting, postcard pretty lakes and Mt Triglav, the symbolic heart of Slovenia.
Central Slovenia (Ljubljana, Kamnik)
The capital Ljubljana and surround region.
Southeastern Slovenia (Novo Mesto)
The region around the Krka and lower Sava Rivers.
Pohorje-Savinjska (Celje, Velenje)
Mountains in the north and the Savinja river valley.
Eastern Slovenia (Maribor, Ptuj, Murska Sobota)
The region around the Drava and Mura Rivers, with plenty of vineyards and a Hungarian influence in the east.

Respect[edit]

As in other countries of ex Yugoslavia, in Slovenia there is still sexual segregation. Women are paid miserably less for same work than men. Slovenian men mostly act like gentlemens, but also sublime towards women at the same time. Women shouldn't express their feministic opinion too much, since Slovenian women like their position (nevertheless, they're being spoiled) and men don't want to give too much power to women. Information that Slovenian parliament has the less female senators in whole Europe in strong enough.

This text seems pointless -- women shouldn't express their feminist opinion or ... they get unwelcome at best and beaten at worst, or what?! There's no real advice or information for a traveler here, and nothing of it is substantiated. I see no causal relation to Yugoslavian past, "segregation" is a badly chosen word, "miserably less" is not so much less (and probably not any different than anywhere else in developed world -- prove otherwise), women "like the situation" since they are being "spoiled" (source?), and the last sentence is pretentious and, besides, grammatically wrong (as some other parts, too, like "gentlemens"). I know this site is not as strict as Wikipedia, but I still think that this paragraph is unsubstantiated forum-like chatting. JanezDemsar 16:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree that this entry had no value for travelers. Our respect sections for some reason attract a lot of pointless ranting, and "advice" that would apply to much anywhere in the world (see Respect). Please do feel free to trim any other unnecessary or unhelpful prose from that section! --Peter Talk 16:09, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
I did so - it was too long and made it appear that there is a civil war going on between east and west, so everybody stay away or else. (It actually doesn't go beyond telling jokes about one another, except when it comes to football fans). Since we have an active editor adding references to Maribor and Balkan all over the page, here's a list of changes (I would ask the abovementioned colleague to join the discussion before reverting the changes, I really don't intend to enter an editor war):
  • I removed the prose about difference in "openness" in eastern and western regions and other thoughts on cultural diversity between Ljubljana and Maribor (including a photo of Maribor hooligans), and warnings about not getting into discussions about Ljubljana and Maribor. All of this is completely subjective (I live in Ljubljana and don't sense any of these) and certainly irrelevant for travelers.
  • I removed the paragraph about giving sits to elderly on the buses as this hardly specific for Slovenia.
  • I merged the paragraphs about discussing Soviet bloc, communism, Eastern Europe into a single shorter paragraph about "interesting" topics.
  • I merged the paragraphs about border issues with Croatia and the Slovenian civil war into a single paragraph on taboo topics.
  • I simplified the paragraph on LBGT. The original text was also rather unclear; I believe that the current version gives an objective description, although I'm not an expert.
  • I removed the paragraph on racism since there is nothing specific about Slovenia here; as elsewhere in Europe, city people are used to seeing tourists of all kinds, while in villages any foreigner would get curious looks.
  • In practical advices, I removed the one about using formal form (vikanje, as "Sie" instead of "du" in German or "vous" instead of "tu" in French). Anybody who can speak Slovenian, knows about it, others will just get confused.
  • I also removed a tip about applauding on the planes; I travel a lot and haven't heard it for a decade
  • I simplified other practical advices
  • I changed Slovene back to Slovenian, since the latter form is preferred to avoid bad associations
In general, I didn't add much, the intention was to make the existing text more focused and less wordy.
JanezDemsar 10:25, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

Buy: tipping[edit]

Section on tipping claimed that tipping is expected from foreigners, while most Slovenians don't tip. This is not true: I give tips or at least round the sum up, and so do my friends (you'd seem a jerk if you didn't). Besides, there is no difference in expectations from foreigners and "domestic" guests, as the sentence would suggest. The remark however reappeared in two days, even accompanied with an exclamation mark and without "most". Mariborko, given that we cannot agree on the fact, I suggest removing it. JanezDemsar 07:09, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

Horse meat[edit]

It has been asked if someone could add information on horse meat in Slovenian cuisine...In regards to Slovenes eating horse, yes it is true that some people do eat it. But, this is not that typical. It has been a tradition here in Slovenia for many hundreds of years, but of course with the passage of time and worldly influence, has become somewhat taboo like anywhere else in the western world.

The taste of horse tenderloin is quite delicious and the Sokol Restaurant in Ljubljana serves it, called "Foal Fillet". They also have their own home-made beer which is quite nice. If you're looking for traditional Slovenian/Germanic style old world cooking, Sokol will not disappoint.

Just outside of Ljubljana, in BTC Center (The shopping area) is a butcher's shop / restaurant called Mesarstvo-Krusic. Their website is http://www.mesarstvo-krusic.si/. I have been told it's one of the best places for horse meat and most people I have spoken to about it rate it it quite highly.

Last but not least there are a few places in Ljubljana to buy the famous horse burger. The most famous one started out as just a small stand in Tivoli Park, roughly the size of an ice-fishing shanty, and has grown a bit larger. The stand, simply called "Horse Burger" can be found near the stadium and if you ask anybody "Where is the horseburger man?" you will be guaranteed to be shown.

Get in entry requirements[edit]

In case anyone wants to know the source of my edits to include information about the visa exemption for 'Annex II' nationals to work during their 90 day visa-free entry, see this European Union document - [1]. Yeahtravel 09:37, 31 May 2011 (EDT)