No mention of the military or mandatory military service?
CBD isn't an acronym. An acronym uses initial letters to make a word which can be pronounced such as NATO. CBD is an initialism. But initialism-loving is unconventional. Change to abbreviation-loving? Pedantic but this article is supposed to be perfect.
"but the Switzerland of Asia is for many a welcome respite from the poverty, chaos and crime of much of the continent."
Poverty, yes; chaos and crime, no. That's Africa. Just look up the numbers.
The article, albeit well-written, states "the most common language [of Singapore] is English." Although it is true, to a certain extent, that English is perhaps the lingua franca of the many different races on the island, and used in administrative purposes etc., the most commonly-spoken language is Mandarin Chinese. The CIA World Factbook thingy supports this: Mandarin 35%, English 23%, Malay 14.1%, and I think this should be reflected in the article, simply because it has the greatest number of speakers. I'm going to include this information somehow in the article; feel free to revert if it seems POV or whatever.
Just something to highlight here. I wouldn't say it's true that most Singaporean Chinese are uncomfortable with Mandarin. It is just that most top politicians come from English schools and might not be very comfortable with Mandarin. However, if you bring in the middle to lower income group, they are usually more comfortable with Mandarin than English. However, for those under the age of 50, they usually would know enough English to communicate with the non-Chinese so unless you approach somebody who looks elderly, you usually would be able to get by with English.
It is hilarious what kind of misinformation goes on this article. I have no doubt many of these laughable points such as "great fines for not flushing toilet"(haha) to "alcohol is expensive"(2sgd for a can of thai beer in the supermarkets) to "Mandarin is the most common language in Singapore"(haha) are written by foreigners who have little knowledge of Singapore.
"However, for those under the age of 50, they usually would know enough English to communicate with the non-Chinese"
"It is just that most top politicians come from English schools and might not be very comfortable with Mandarin. "
English schools? Every mainstream school in Singapore is an English school. Singaporeans are educated in English their entire life as their native language. They sit for exactly the same exams as the British during their primary and secondary school education. If you are Singaporean and you cannot speak English, you are illiterate. It is as simple as that.
The ones whom cannot speak English are mostly uneducated or non english speaking foreigners (whom by the way make up 42% of singapore)
I was under the impression that Singapore Immigration Officers were granting 1 month entry at the airport while issuing 2 weeks permits for other entries. Would that be worth mentioning in this section ?
As far as I can see from internet websites, the ferry service from Changi Ferry Terminal to Tanjung Belungkor doesn't seem to have been terminated. Could you please cite the source for this information.
I spent five months in Singapore last year and all EU nationals I could find got stamped 90 days, not 14 or 30, disregarding means of entry or intended length of stay. --18.104.22.168 14:15, 30 December 2010 (EST)
Center vs Centre
Singapore uses British spellings, so it's hawker centre, not "hawker center". Google backs me up with 8590 vs 6120 matches (and 2,630 vs 1,130 if site:.sg is added to the query). Jpatokal 23:29, 6 May 2004 (EDT)
Wow! Great Work!
I just have to say what a great guide this is! I'm totally impressed with how useful and well written it is-- very clear and clean. An example for us all! Majnoona 15:46, 25 Jun 2004 (EDT)
I have taken the liberty of reverting the edits of the esteemed Mr. 22.214.171.124. Made under the guise of "NPOV", this included changes like turning the phrase
"Enjoy themselves" in "places"? Whee. What fun. Actual NPOVing I'm fine with, but this is not Wikipedia — we don't need to stick to dreary blanc-mange plain porridge unleavened literature, to use Ray's lovely turn of phrase. Jpatokal 00:32, 2 Dec 2004 (EST)
I like this article lots and routinely refer to it when I need any guidance on what information should go and how it should be formatted. I've rated this a star. I think this should be an uncontroversial choice, but please discuss any issues anyway --Ravikiran 06:17, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)
So I'd like to nominate Singapore as the first "Huge city" Star -- which means that not only the main article but all its districts need to be in tip-top shape. Note that all listings now use the new HTML listing format, so if they don't display according to the MoS, you can blame Evan, not me. =P Fire away! Jpatokal 21:26, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
As you can see from Wikipedia's WikiPedia:Talk:Singlish, this issue is a bit of minefield, so I've just attempted to present and balance two undeniable facts:
Hence some odd consequences for the traveller, like it being rather rude to talk to somebody in bad pseudo-Singlish — the implication is that you think they're not educated. Jpatokal 10:19, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
It is not for us here to debate whether 'Singlish' is a merely corrupted English or a language of its own. While I respect your views on this matter, I feel that they do not justify the POV expressed. The position of 'Singlish' as language has nothing to do with the use of the loaded word 'indoctrination' to describe a public educational/informative campaign -- a bunch of posters and a few community events pointing out common grammatical deviations from standard English -- similar to campaigns urging the practice of safe sex, non-consumption of illicit drugs or warning of the dangers of second-hand smoke, both in Singapore and elsewhere.
I also do not see why you insist on adorning the term 'good English', which is not in any way uncommon outside of Singapore, with inverted commas while at the same time not doing so to 'Singlish', a neologism not found in any standard English dictionary and likely to puzzle those unaqainted with Singapore.
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I've rolled back the change of picture -- the previous one gives a good idea of what a hawker center looks like from the inside, while the current one is an overexposed shot of pointy roofs. Jpatokal 01:58, 27 December 2006 (EST)
No Hippies allowed!!!
Have an older freind who was denied entry because of his unkempt appearance. This was back in the 80s when he was commin back from India. He also claims they( immigration) wrote "Hippy" in his passportand told him to wash and get an hair cut if wanted to come back.Has this been relaxed or hippies still not allowed in Singapore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
Singapore has a very low crime rate by any standard, and particularly when compared to most of Asia (Malaysia, Thailand, India, China, you name it; Japan/Korea are the main exceptions). Upamanyu, if you have any statistics to the contrary, let's see 'em.
Anyway, the point of those two words is that in Singapore, you can drink a few too many beers and totter down an unfamiliar alleyway with a bulging wallet in your back pocket, and nothing will happen to you. This is a pretty nice thing when you're a tourist (or a resident), and it's not something I'd recommend in any other Asian city. Jpatokal 05:32, 4 March 2007 (EST)
I beg to disagree. There is violent crime in Singapore and it is not the case that "you can drink a few too many beers and totter down an unfamiliar alleyway with a bulging wallet in your back pocket, and nothing will happen to you". I have been assaulted by a gang of violent youths in Arab Street. A number of foreigners were attacked this year in Clarke Quay. I agree that the frequency of attacks is much lower than most places in the world, but the nature of the attacks is just as violent and brutal. I would like to add a warning to the SAFETY section regarding Arab Street and Clarke Quay. Last time I edited the wiki it was deleted which is worrying - people need to know to be careful in areas where violent attacks have occurred.
Discussions about military service for sons of permanent residents goes way beyond our scope as a travel guide. Jpatokal 01:09, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
Bus booking engines
Laundromats are few and far between in Singapore, but full-service laundry and dry cleaning shops can be found in every shopping mall. Unfortunately turnaround times are usually upwards of three days unless you opt for express service. Hotels can provide one-day laundry (at a price), whereas hostels often have communal self-service washing machines.
* Systematic Laundromat, Robertson Walk #01-22, ☎ +65-67380031. 11 AM -late. Your basic self-service laundromat.
One should note that we don't need to list every single niggling taboo — gifting pigs isn't terribly polite in any culture I know of. Jpatokal 08:44, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
I still disagree on the bit about shopkeepers greeting customers. As I commented on my edit, I can't recall walking into a single shop without being greeted. The shops I visited situated mostly in malls around the city (locals shop in malls too, no?), and on top of that I visited some a bit more obscure establishments, such as a couple of martial arts shops, the other one in Geylang. I don't know whether this is due to me obviously being a foreigner, though I did witness locals being subjected to greetings, too. I was curious enough to observe this behaviour. Tsaik 08:44, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
ATMs at the Airport
Would someone who knows be kind enough to add information on ATMs at the airport? I assume they exist and take most standard international cards? Are they easy to find? Any suggestions? [Hope this doesn't seem too picky, but this is something I always look for. Need money for the taxi! Some airports seem to hide them, and last thing I want to do after traveling for 20+ hours is wonder around the airport for 15 minutes trying to find one. OK, maybe not the *last* thing, falling into an open sewer probably ranks higher, but you know what I mean.] Thanks. Jbradfor 17:27, 29 April 2008 (EDT) [Great page, BTW, thanks!]
There was this case where a Nigerian boy was sentenced to death for drug trafficking even though the judge was convinced that he was not aware that the drugs were in his possession. The judge just said that "he should have known and therefore was guilty". I think it's only fair to warn people so they will be careful with their bags.
Rewrote intro and now it has reverted?
I rewrote the intro to Singapore yesterday to make it more interesting and colorful, yet today it has been changed back to the old copy. Can someone let me know the reasons for the revert? --MarinaK 14:31, 3 March 2009 (EST)MarinaK.
I also spent a lot of time uploading new images that were more clear and vibrant but it seems that these have not been changed now? --MarinaK 14:34, 3 March 2009 (EST)MarinaK.
The new images I chose were all Creative Commons images from Flickr and I chose them based on my search (eg Chinese cuisine). I did not know about saving images to the original size, I would normally just save the images as they appear, but now that you have pointed this out to me, I am aware of it and thank you for that. I also thank you for writing the captions as I have not done that.
Like any new person I have made many mistakes along the way and am still learning new tips on the way. I take all feedback on board and if someone tells me of a guideline that I did not know about, I adhere to it in the future. However, every mistake I make that you Jani P point out, I feel is harsh and disheartens me to the point where I am unsure if I want to continue. I have enjoyed contributing to wikitravel and have hoped that I have made some valid contributions but your critiques are making me feel worthless. If I'm taking your remarks out of context Jani then please let me know. I would also like to hear from other admins on this subject as well. --~~MarinaK.
Some other country articles include local country names when that name is significantly different from the common English name: Japan/Nihon, Albania/Shqeperise, etc. This is not the case for 新加坡， Singapura or சிங்கப்பூர், all of which are just renderings of -- drum roll -- "Singapore". Jpatokal 02:11, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
Buy section: using credit cards
I think the comment that credit cards are widely accepted needs to be qualified. I had found that while credit card will be accepted almost everywhere in tourist areas (orchard road ect.), once you get away from the main tourist areas this is not the case. I have heard "sorry we don't take credit card" so many times living here. This includes a number of fairly large stores and international chains that i would have expected to take credit card. Should i add this information to the article? Joanna h
I've had it happen in several supermarkets (sheng siong is one), bookstores, 7-11 (even when making large purchases) and some smaller stores. It might vary depending on the area. It is also possible that i've just had an unlucky run, hence why i asked before editing. Joanna h
How long are buses/trains to/from KL? 188.8.131.52 14:16, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
Buses are about 5 hours Joanna h 09:56, 4 January 2010 (EST)
On online maps in Singapore
With regards to the line "A word of warning for other sites: Google Maps for Singapore and the many services that use its data look pretty, but the data does not include HDB blocks and thus searches may result in wildly inaccurate results." in the Addresses section, Google Maps has officially redone their maps for Singapore recently thanks to a collaboration with Singapore's Land Transport Authority to include block numbers and proper postal codes, and even added traffic and streetview data. So should this line be corrected or removed? Likewise, GoThere.sg  is another online service that has proper mapping data that could be arguably more accurate than streetdirectory.com with transit information and cost, traffic, streetview, erp etc. Their routing even takes into account the entrances to buildings. So the warning message is no longer applicable? --Jedimdan 00:41, 16 December 2009 (EST)
Why are laundries being listed in a country article? I thought I should ask before deleting the listings. --Burmesedays 08:04, 2 January 2010 (EST)
Most countries this would be a problem, but i'm not so sure its a bad thing for Singapore given the country is so small Joanna h 23:34, 5 January 2010 (EST)
New article for Pulau Ubin?
Pulau Ubin gets a short mention in this article and in the Singapore/East Coast article but I think it could justify an article of its own. It is quite different to the mainland and I think there should be enough to say of interest to tourists to create a good article. I don't know how to set up new articles but if someone else is able to do that i can do some writing and contribute photos Joanna h 07:10, 11 January 2010 (EST)
There is also bike hire, restaurant, information centre ect. Joanna h 08:35, 11 January 2010 (EST)
Article is filled with major inaccuracies
I think it is very clear that this article is written by foreigners who don't understand Singapore much but for some reason think they are qualified to write a travel guide on it. There are rediculously false assertions in every part of the article. These is just a small sample that I have time to address.
1. Singlish: You wan beer or not? -- Dunwan leh, drink five botol oreddi.
That is broken English not Singlish. And frankly, speaking like that is retarded and illiterate.
2. "Great fines for not flushing toilet"
3. "Homosexuality in Singapore is banned. Life imprisonment etc."
Not true. The AG does not prosecute homosexuality and homosexuals are openly allowed into the civil service.
What is true is that homosexual acts, pertaining only to males, whether consensual or not, is illegal in Singapore
4. "Thanks to nationwide language education campaigns, most younger Singaporeans are, however, capable of speaking standard English when necessary"
Not true. They are educated in Standard Enlgish in school, that is the reason. It has nothing to do with language campaigns. Most heavy Singlish speakers who cannot code switch to Standard Singapore English are those of older generations (who don't even have Primary school or Secondary school education)and some of the younger lowly educated ones.
Once again, you like to take the speech patterns of the uneducated and illiterate and apply it to every Singaporean. Personal agenda perhaps?
4." Like English, the Mandarin spoken in Singapore has also evolved into a distinctive creole and often incorporates words from other Chinese dialects, Malay and English, though all Singaporean Chinese are taught standard Mandarin in school"
No. This is untrue. You have to read up on linguistics to understand what is a creole. A creole is something that is learnt as a first language. This is simply not the case in Singapore Mandarin.
And not all Singaporean Chinese take up Mandarin in school, in fact a lot don't. Many from the older Generation took Malay and cannot write a single word of Chinese. This is very common.
And many in the younger Generation drop Chinese in school as well.
5. "However, many shop signs and restaurant menus are still in traditional Chinese. This, in addition to the popularity of Hong Kong and Taiwanese pop culture and television serials, means that most Singaporean Chinese are also able to read traditional Chinese even if they cannot write it."
There are simply no traditional Chinese signs and menus in Singapore. They are all in simplified Chinese except perhaps for a very very few, which are the rare exceptions rather than the norm.
Many singaporeans Chinese cannot even read and write Chinese (simplified or traditional) much less write traditional chinese.
6. "Try to resist the temptation to sprinkle your speech with unnecessary Singlishisms: you'll get a laugh if you do it right, but it sounds grating and patronizing if you do it wrong. "
A lot of the "heavy Singlish" you are referring to is just broken English spoken by people who are semi illiterate and did not graduate from Primary/Secondary school. But somehow, you tag everything as Singlish and try to push across the image that most Singaporeans speak like that.
Personal agenda perhaps? Singlish has always been frowned upon by Singaporeans and the Sg government alike.
7. "affluent city with a medley of Chinese, Indian and Malay influences "
British influences in Singapore far outweighs any of the above three yet it was not included. When I added it in it was reverted.
Singapore government follows the British westminster system, the laws of Singapore are all based on British common law, the education system in Singapore is exactly the same as the British one (Cambridge O, A levels) save a few differences (mother tongue). English is also the dominant langauge by far in Singapore.
8. Banned in Singapore: "Malaysian Newspapers" "Homosexuality"
Another usual peice of garbage that reflects the overall quality of this article.
Please remember. This is an encycloepedia, base your article on objective facts and not your own imaginative fantasies.
Anyone familiar with Singapore reading the article would find it hilarious with MANY false rediculous assertions. In just one glance, it is VERY obvious the article was written by most probably a foreigner with a serious lack of knowledge about Singapore.
Anyway, it is not worth my time bothering with such bs. The entire article comes off as a fictional story book written by a lobotomised author rather than a travel guide. —The preceding comment was added by User:184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
w:Cenwin88lee, is that you?
Except for the traditional Chinese bit (no idea where that came from, will nuke it), the article is entirely correct. Re: eg. Malaysian newspapers, see Newspaper and Printing Presses Act Sec. 22 -- or just try to find some at your local newspaper stand! Jpatokal 08:44, 7 June 2010 (EDT)
Not really, everything cenwin wrote is true. My wife is Singaporean and I have lived there for 2 decades. You are obviously out to paint Singapore in bad light.
Malaysian newspapers are not banned in Singapore despite what is written on the article. Since you quote the Newspaper Act, maybe you should read it yourself first. The Newspaper Act says you require a permit to distribute Malaysian newspapers, it does not mean they are banned. You can bring them in as long as you do not distribute them. And you can distribute them, you just have to apply for a permit beforehand.
How is that, like almost every bullshit written on that list "banned"?
I second the notion that this travel guide is total bullshit.
Dude, Malaysian newspapers are not banned and definitely not "not permitted". Is there any evidence showing they are banned? The Newspaper Act which you used yourself shows they are definitely not banned. You can them into Sg for your own reading as long as you do not distribute them. If you want to distribute them, you have to apply for a permit. This applies to all foreign newspapers outside as well, not just to Malaysian ones.
Going by your argument, there are no Bruneian, Indonesian or Canadian newspapers in Singapore as well. Does this mean they are all "banned"? It probably just means there are not enough readers interested in them for a company to consider bringing them in.
As for homosexuality being banned, that is just another pile of b.s. Sg has not prosecuted anyone for being gay for the past 50 years. Gays in Singapore like Alex Au(sp?) and many others openly declare they are gays and they openly come out to campaign for gay rights. They appear on videos, gay campaigns at the speakers corner, and some have even been interviewed by Channelnewsasia. Many of them are given jobs in the civil sector as well. The government of Singapore has said they will not prosecute anyone for homosexual activities and there has indeed been no prosecution for homosexuality for the past 40-50 years.
I would like to see some evidence showing that "even forgetting to flush the toilet will subject you to a great fine". I have not heard of anyone being "greatly fined" for not flushing the toilet during my decades in Singapore. This one is just too damn absurd.
Interesting find. But the case that you cite was a HIV positive man having sex with a minor. And he was not charged under any anti homosexuality laws but for having sex with a minor and also for trying to spread HIV. My money is on you not being able to find a single case of anyone being charged for soley gay sex or gay behaviour within the past 40 years.
The mistake that you are making here is that you are using the maximum penalty instead of the typical penalty to justify your statements such as "great fines for not flushing toilets" "caning for chewing gums" and so on.
I remember Singapore uses the Commonwealth legal system. The laws in Commonwealth countries might write that the maximum penalty for shoplifting is 5 years jail or whatever, but shoplifters are typically sentenced to a slap on the wrist fine or a nominal jail term. This is just how they roll in Commonwealth countries.
Under such Commonwealth legal systems, the law book is only one source of law. Another source of law is called "case law" where precedent cases are treated as legally binding. You might want to look into what "case law" is before writing some really silly stuff about Singapur.
Was it me or are (some) bus drivers terribly impolite?
I was boarding the 927 from the zoo back to Chia Chu Kang Station and the driver having not seen that I scanned my tourist pass (despite doing it right in front of him) attempted to attract my attention by releasing a terrible growl and banging two times on the metal door of the driver's seat (having watched chimps monkey around just half an hour before that I honestly assumed it had been an animal or something).
Under his annoyed but watchful expression I scanned the card a second time (there was no beep as it had already been scanned the screen only printed 'Entry OK') and he just turned his head away uninterested.
I obviously don't expect the driver to be fully proficient in English to do his job properly, but learning a simple 'Excuse me' would have been more than enough for me to understand that something is not in order.
Is this a frequent thing?
I also have to mention some terrible service in one of the eateries in the Raffles Place mall, but having already read this article I just shrugged it off.
I have lived in Malaysia and have not at all come across such attitude, for a two day trip this seemed a bit much to stomach.
Singapore cabs not allowed in Malaysia. True or False?
I have seen several Comfort Cabs in Malaysia, and also on a forum, they have discussed this about Comfort Cabs existence in Malaysia. And SMRT Taxis also offers it on their site. Soo? Funkyspyspy (talk) 10:14, 30 October 2013 (EDT)