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This article was the Collaboration of the week between 4 June 2007 and 11 June 2007.


Districts[edit]

I'm not sure most of the districts here merit articles of their own. How much is there to say about Banker's Hill? Perhaps eventually as WT grows? I'm trying to fill in the important ones - La Jolla, Balboa Park, Mission Bay.--justfred 18:29, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Also under Districts it list South Park and Golden Hill as the same area (also known as). This is incorrect. South Park is its own area, distinguished by official City signs. The area's are right next to each other, however they are not one in the same. Here is a link to the district maps:

http://www.sandiego.gov/neighborhoods-map/central.shtml —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.8.112.45 (talkcontribs) 20 Nov 2006

I reorganized the districts based on the above link. I didn't fill in all of them, but the groupings help keep the list more readable. I deleted the links to neighborhoods that weren't on that page that didn't have articles. Also, I merged Mission Bay & Mission Beach. -- Jonboy 22:10, 26 January 2007 (EST)

This article is wildly over-districted. Most of them are red-links, and I don't see any above 'outline'. Without any experience in San Diego, it seems to me that there's content for three districts: Northern, Central, and Western - with Eastern and Southern content either orphaned or merged into a fourth district. Are there any San Diego residents reading this who'd like to take the initiative? It'll be a much better and more useful article for it. Gorilla Jones 19:22, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

It's been a while since I was in San Diego, but I know that some of the individual districts are most likely worth keeping. For instance, La Jolla, Mission Beach, and Pacific Beach all have enough stuff individually and are unique enough to merit their own separate articles, there just isn't enough stuff in the articles yet. The problem isn't necessarily too many district articles (although quite a few of those red links don't really justify mention here), it's too few contributors and listings in those articles. I think a single Northern article would possibly do more harm than good if someone were to actually go there and try to use it as a travel guide.
Now, I'll do some research on the districts and see which ones are worth keeping. I imagine most of the red links will be districts we don't even have to bother mentioning. PerryPlanet 14:47, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

Okay, I think a Chicago approach to districts would work best here. Some sections of town, like Central or Northern, can be kept in separate district articles, while other sections of town, like Southern, can be turned into a single district article covering all the neighborhoods in that section. I'll get to work on this. PerryPlanet 15:19, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

This article grossly oversimplifies San Diego. To cite some examples:
The term "district" is rarely, if ever, used by the citizens here. I think it is mainly used by the Union-Tribune newspaper. It is a city of proud neighborhoods, so do not expect, for example, to hear locals say mid-city. Rather, they will say: City Heights, Rolando, North Park, Normal Heights, Kensington, Talmadge, College Area, Alvarado Hills, El Cerrito, etcetera. Many of these areas are old street car suburbs with their own small, commercial districts frequented by locals. You will notice a distinct absence of chain businesses.
Do not use the term "Southeast San Diego". It is very unpopular with people who feel it lumps to-gether and trivializes the character of their individual neghborhoods. There was some strife about this in the local press a few years ago.
Also, several neighborhoods surrounding Centre City/downtown fought to get their old names restored after the Planning department changed names (Little Italy became Harborview, and Bankers Hill became Park West). There was also an effort to change the historic name of the embarcadero to "waterfront". The old names were restored/retained. Centre City was the traditional name for years for the downtown areas of San Diego, Escondido and Oceanside,but marketers in San Diego have been promoting it as "downtown" for several years now.
There are approximately 54 community planning groups whose membership is composed of citizen activists elected by other residents in their neighborhood. This has been the case for over 30-years. All planning decisions involving variances vis a vis the adopted community plan for a particular neighborhood must pass muster with these groups. So do not think that people do not love and care for their neighborhoods.
As far as public transportation is concerned, I think the article is again grossly over-simplified. San Diego has a comprehensive mass-transit system. It is not New York to be sure, but it is one of the better systems in the United States.See: sdcommute.com and sandag.org for details. For example, a half-billion dollar rail line opened in the north County a few months ago as the backbone of the north county bus system. It feeds into coastal Amtrak, Metrolink, Coaster which in turn connects to trolley and bus lines in the south, east and central protions of the City of San Diego and Cities in the South Bay and East County.
I could go on and on.
I am sorry, but on a scale of 1 to 10, this article gets a 3. I am certain an earnest effort has been made, but was it written with local input? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.136.39.151 (talkcontribs)
Wikitravel:Geographical hierarchy#Districts in cities. Wikitravel does not simply divide cities by neighborhoods, since that would often leave you with a bunch of mostly empty neighborhood articles. We instead try to combine neighborhoods into digestible "travel districts" (districts is the site-wide term), which should each be able to support a full travel article complete with several see, eat, drink, sleep, buy listings. 54 districts would leave our travel guide way too fragmented (for example, LA has 8). It would be appropriate to have one article per neighborhood in Wikipedia, which tries to have an article about all subjects, but I'd challenge you to find a travel guide to San Diego that devotes one chapter per neighborhood.
With regards to the "get around" public transport information, please plunge forward & fix it yourself! There's rarely a good reason to carp on the quality of an article when you have the ability to edit it ;) --Peter Talk 23:20, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Trying to organize the districts for San Diego has been an insanely difficult task. You have to strike a balance between having a layout that will make sense from the standpoint of someone who is visiting the city and not having too many district articles, otherwise they will lack content. You should have seen the layout a while ago, when it was organized by neighborhood. We had five articles for what is now the Downtown article (East Village, Gaslamp Quarter, Little Italy, Marina, and Columbia) and all of them had little content. We had a few articles for what is now Mid-City (Kensington, Talmadge), and there was very little content in all of them, not to mention it was a pretty darn confusing layout.
Yes, these neighborhoods are very unique. But no, we can't create an article for each and every one. If you are a local though, we would love to have you on to help us structure our district layout. Maybe then we could create a more satisfactory district layout.
By the way, where in the article does it even mention "Southeast San Diego" now? That hasn't been in there for a while. PerryPlanet 02:16, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Identify image?[edit]

It has been asked which street this image is from. -- Jonboy 11:58, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

That is 150-200+ west Broadway. The brown building is the Pickwick hotel. To the left of it is the courthouse. To the right ( just an awning is visible ) is the Greyhound bus station.

some orthopedic hospital[edit]

For the second or third time, some anonymous contributor has spammed the San Diego page with a blurb about their orthopedic hospital. But Wikitravel is a guide for travelers, and while general hospital information may be useful to them, specific orthopedic hospitals would not be places sought out by someone on a vacation. See Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals.

For this reason, I will be removing the link yet again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blackberrylaw (talkcontribs)

Links to that hospital have shown up in Southern California, San Diego, San Diego County and Encinitas. At this point it seems reasonable to question whether the submitter's goal is to improve the travel guides, since it looks like they're simply trying to get some free advertising - and as you've pointed out, edits that aren't meant to improve the guides for travelers are definitely against the spirit of the Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals. Should these links appear again it probably wouldn't hurt to add the URL in question to the Wikitravel:Spam filter unless the submitter can provide a valid reason why travelers need this info. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:34, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Downtown Districts[edit]

While we're trying to figure out this whole district situation, I wanted to take a look at Downtown. Right now there's an article for just about every neighborhood in Downtown, and not a single one is above "outline". So why not get rid of the bunch (with the possible exception of Little Italy, since it really is its own thing) and create a single "Downtown" article? PerryPlanet 16:42, 13 October 2007 (EDT)


The map of districts is a silly choice. Most San Diegans don't even know what a district is unless thay have dealt with the city bureacracy. They mean nothing to the average traveler. It would be far better to write only about neighborhoods and some small cities.

You have a very, very good point. But for the moment, there's plenty of neighborhoods besides the ones that have articles that have something of interest to travelers (like a restaurant or a hotel), but don't have enough to justify their own articles. Northeastern and Mid-City are already examples of regions which have several neighborhoods. Still, you have a very good point and I'll try to see if I can come up with a modified system. PerryPlanet 13:12, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Districts...again...[edit]

After reading the above comment, I realized this whole "regions" concept is just too much. Honestly, save for bureaucratic purposes, these "regions" mean absolutely nothing. I should have realized this sooner, but I got caught up in this organizational idea.

SO...I just did what I feel like I should have done from the very beginning - save for the two region articles I already created (Northeastern and Mid-City), San Diego is now split up on a neighborhood-by-neighborhood basis (at least, only the neighborhoods of interest to the traveler). Believe me, this actually makes sense. Neighborhoods in certain parts of town are very unique from one another. Downtown, Balboa Park, Hillcrest, all are connected yet all are quite unique. Mid-City only partially works with Hillcrest. Ocean Beach has only a little semblance to Point Loma. Do Mission Bay and La Jolla feel like the same part of town? And where does Old Town fit into all of this?

So hopefully, you can see how confusing this whole region concept really was. However, I didn't get rid of the old regional map, so I really appreciate your thoughts on the matter so we can figure this out once and for all. PerryPlanet 15:41, 11 January 2008 (EST)


While I'm at it, I'm interested in making another change to the district layout (boy, I'm really on a roll lately, aren't I?). I've been feeling that Kearny Mesa simply lacks what it would take to have a proper district article. There's no attractions there, only suburbs and strip malls with the occasional restaurant or hotel. So I'm thinking of merging it into Northeastern San Diego. In fact, I'm thinking of making "Northeastern San Diego", for the purposes of this travel guide, everything north of Mission Valley and east of I-5. That way, Clairemont and University City would also be included, so in the future if anyone felt like there was something in either of those neighborhoods worth adding here, there would be the appropriate article to do it.
But let's hear some discussion on this! What do you think? PerryPlanet 01:38, 15 January 2008 (EST)
Any thoughts on Kearny Mesa? Anyone? Cause I'm planning to redirect it pretty soon here... PerryPlanet 14:50, 30 January 2008 (EST)
Okay, I've redirected Kearny Mesa. PerryPlanet 18:38, 1 February 2008 (EST)

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