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[edit] TO DO

Wow, this article has a ton of info, but it needs serious organizing.

• Does it need so many districts? It might make it more manageable to a traveler if we combined some.

• Move all of the restaurant and sleep listings to the relevant district pages, per the huge city template.

• I'm not familiar with the city, but are all of those hotels relevant? There's a ton there, in addition to moving the good ones to their respective district pages, I'm wondering if several can't be deleted...

• Some listings need phone #'s and addresses to be added, and all of them should be templatized... Cacahuate 08:38, 19 January 2007 (EST)

• Why is there a neighborhood and city area section? Trastevere is in both section. Kind of messy. - i just fixed this, thanks for pointing it out! ::: Cacahuate 02:58, 26 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] TO DO related

• What purpose the list of districts serves since it is not the list of Rome's actual districts? See e.g. [[1]]. I know this is due to the huge city template, but I find made-up districts confusing.

• Map of the actual districts would be handy. It is hard to find the areas (e.g. Testaccio for partying) if there's not even a written description of it's location. There's an old picture on Italian wikipedia (the link above).

[edit] External links for research

A wikitraveler left the following links that someone might find useful for research.

• Rome Review The premier online resource for the English speaking community in Rome, produced and maintained by English speakers from inside the wall of the Ethernal City. Whether you live, study, work or play in Rome, come share your experiences and benefit from the experiences of others.
• Romestate.it - Website of Association Vacanzeromane Tourist information of Rome, moving, lodging, last minute, photo, activities and utilities in Rome. (en/it/de/es)
• Guide to Rome - City guide to Rome
• Virtualrome.com - Complete guide of Rome and Hotels Price Comparison Tool (en/it)
• ielanguages.com - This site provides the basics for a lot of languages, including easy-to-read pronunciation

[edit] website of embassies

• List of Embassies in Rome [2]

I removed this external link from the article but it's a good site with a lot of info on other embassies that someone might want to add in later... Cacahuate 08:25, 19 January 2007 (EST)

To clarify above statement, I meant someone might add them in individually later... we don't allow external link's like this one... ::: Cacahuate 12:37, 21 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Section headers

I reverted changes to the headers for this article so it fits our big city article template. --Evan 15:27, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Panoramic Images of Rome

The Roman Tour from PanoramicEarth.com has over 100 panoramic images of the sights and attractions around the city. Many of the locations listed under your 'See' section are featured. Would it be reasonable to suggest a link to it within the article?

[edit][add listing] Sleep

I hope in the near future to move all the accommodation listings into the correct districts. I've also added an English translation of the Italian Version which includes all the zones of the city. Travelbubble 14:49, 8 Nov 2007 (EDT)

Can we endeavour in future to add / transfer accommodation listings to the relevant District pages for Rome please? This will tidy up the main page somewhat and reduce memory size. The main Rome page can be used to talk about the options in general, best areas to go , etc. Pjamescowie 05:33, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

[edit] 17% of world's monuments

Where does this crazy number comes from? That's not true even for World Heritage Sites, let alone for "monuments" of any kind. Please clarify. - Ricardo (Rmx) 06:48, 22 March 2006 (EST)

56.3876 % of anything interesting is in Mexico. Sapphire 04:11, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

I must agree. The whole idea of a visit to Rome is to escape from people who quote statistics about art.

[edit] Overview of Rome's hotels.

moved from Main page talk Majnoona 19:15, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

How accommodation in Rome works.

Rome's hotels since the liberalization of the accommodations in Italy are much more and in better shape than they'have been in years; dozens upon dozens of these properties have undergone recently deep renovations.

On the other side the huge quantity of tourism the city has experienced in the last couple of years, finding a good hotel room at any time of the year is harder than ever.

So, before traveling Italy, make the reservations as far ahead as possible.

The hotels in Rome are among the most luxurious in Europe, but, when reviewing the best of the upscale hotels, try always to have a good selection of moderately priced hotels, where you can find confortable, charming lodgings with private bathrooms. Rome has inexpensive choices and can offer more in services and facilities than you might expect from the prices.

Furthermore, the italian government controls the prices of its hotels, designating a minimum and a maximum rate. The difference between the two might depend on the season, the location of the room and even its size.

Government ratings do not depend on sensitivity of decoration or frescoed ceilings, but they are based on facilities, such as elevators and the like. Many of the finest hotels in Rome have a lower rating because they serve only breakfast.

Hotels usually require you to check out on the day of departure between 10 am and noon: later than this, you run the risk of being charged for a further night. As to check-in times, there are no hard and fast rules, but if you are going to arrive late in the dat, it's probably best to mention this when you book a room.

Nearly all hotels in Rome are heated in the cooler months, but not all are airconditioned in summer, which can be vitally important during July and August.

Stefano Sandano is an archaeologist of Rome and expert of his city. You can find out more informations about Rome hotels and sightseeing visiting http://www.romanguide.com

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I wonder whether this content can be partially or fully used in the article itself. I just found the same text in here [3], and wonder whether it's copyvio or not. According to archive.org, it appeared at 1888 on or before May 08, 2006--but I can't say for sure whether it happened after April 4, 2006 when it appeared here at Wikitravel. --DenisYurkin 07:39, 2 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] No access to the Canadian Embassy Page

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[edit] Mapping

Rome is notoriously awful to navigate. The fact that street names have about 3 shortened variations and street signs are as difficult to find as in London means it may well be worth providing google map links to each mentioned venue, especially where to report theft.

What would really be worthwhile would be for folks to work on the Open Street Map Rome maps, since we could then use that data to create maps for our own travel guides. I've looked far and long for any other existing free content street maps of Rome; they don't exist. --Peter

[edit] district borders

It's clearly time to reach some consensus on district borders for Rome (see Wikitravel:Geographical_hierarchy#Districts_in_cities for some background): agree which districts to list; for each district clearly write the streets that make up its borders.

IT.wikipedia article was mentioned above. Also, I've just found something in EN.wikipedia--for some it even defines streets that border specific district.

Opinions, please? --DenisYurkin 16:51, 13 December 2007 (EST)

I think we need more than just firmer borders—the districts are right now an overlapping & overflowing mess. Here's a suggested re-ordering to move ourselves in the right direction (hopefully). I'm pretty unsure of some of these names, hopefully someone will help come up with better ones.

Centro:

• Modern Center (or Downtown Rome): combine Via Veneto, Quirinale, Castro Pretorio, Repubblica, & Trevi
• Old Rome: combine Navona, Campo de' Fiori, & Pantheon (and include the Ghetto)
• Campo Marzio: combine Villa Borghese, Campo Marzio, Parioli, & Spagna
• Borgo: combine Vaticano & Prati, rmv Vatican City from the districts list, since it is for our purposes contained by Vaticano, & add Monte Mario (kind of shameful that we have no information about this now!)
• Coloseo: leave as is, with the Forum & Palatine Hill included
• Trastevere: leave as is
• Aventino-Testaccio: combine Testaccio & Aventino
• Esquilino-San Giovanni: combine Esquilino & San Giovanni, naturally
• Nomentano: combine Nomentano & San Lorenzo (the same as Municipio III)

Then there's a bunch more area in the city, perhaps we should have a couple big districts to encompass less-dense areas like:

• Rome South: EUR, San Paolo, Via Appia, Beaches (like Ostia), Municipi 5-13
• Rome North: Salario, parts of Municipio 2 not included above, & Municipi 4, 15-20

All administrative division lists should, of course, be removed.

That would give us 11 districts, which I think is a healthy number for a city of Rome's size & density. But we can always subdivide them later when we have more content, or when a local joins the discussion with some deeper knowledge of these areas. I'm not an expert on Rome, just a fan, and I haven't found any very good sources of information for this, so I'm very open to suggestions & criticism. I'd like to hear some support before changing anything too drastically, and I'll try to put up a draft map soon to show how these districts would relate to one another. --Peter ^Talk 15:44, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm not any kind of expert in Rome at all, but having as little as 11 districts is alone a great idea, whatever division is used. And I look forward to hearing experts supporting your division. Thanks for your proposal, Peter! --DenisYurkin 17:09, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

To my opinion the above district division is much better for tourists than the formal administrative division list.--Aklyuch 22:23, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

OK, here's a map showing the district borders (not all the borders, but this does show all the crucial ones). I can't upload it to Wikitravel, because it is a copyvio, but it should demonstrate what I understand the borders to be. Again, this is bound to be imperfect, since I don't know Rome very well, and would benefit a lot from a native Roman's perspective. So, does this look right?

To see how the big North & South districts divide, take a look at this image, which shows all the Roman municipi, identifiable by number. Again, its most of Municipio 2, & Municipi 4, 15-20 in the North, and Municipi 5-13 for the South.

I decided to switch names from Borgo to Vatican, since that is a more famous, if less accurate, name for the area of that district. I also think it's fine to drop the hyphenated "-San Giovanni" to just Esquilino, since that district is basically all within the official rione of Esquilino. I'm also inclined to move Parioli to Rome North, unless anyone thinks that's a bad idea. --Peter ^Talk 13:41, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I am on board with all of this. The districts section is way to large and I like the way Peter has suggested handling this problem. I also support making this change sooner rather than later. (I don't have any wikitravel authority, but I thought I would chime in anyway) Carson 19:59, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Fantastic! And don't worry, there's no such thing as "authority" here—we're all equals in making decisions. If you're up to the challenge of overhauling the districts, I'd encourage you to plunge forward as soon as you feel like it. (It is a big task, though.) We've got a pretty solid consensus for this new districts organization, and we can always revise it in the future if it seems worthwhile to do so. Please also see the discussion here—I think we're ready to also do away with the Vatican City article and merge all that content into the new "Rome/Vatican" district article.

By the way, I replaced that flickr map & updated the link, since it accidentally called Aventino-Testaccio "Nomentano." --Peter ^Talk 20:29, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

(request: The ghetto/jewish ghetto region(s) is mentioned on the page and in other guide books, but I don't know which of the districts listed would include it, thanks, Aaron) —The preceding comment was added by 69.250.79.152 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Eat:pricing

How much a traveler should budget for breakfast, lunch or dinner when staying in Rome?

Ideally I would love if we come to a section similar to London#Pricing: for price like this, expect to get that in most areas. Exception are tourist traps in places like that. --DenisYurkin

I asked the same question at tripadvisor, and received a detailed reply that its author allowed to use at Wikitravel. Here's what I wrote to her and what I received back per Talk:Copyleft:

On Jan 29, 2008, at 03:12 PM yurkennis wrote:

Hi Nabu.

Do you mind if I use some pieces of your post (http://rome-hotels.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187791-i22-k1687816-Budgeting_lunch_dinner-Rome_Lazio.html) to contribute to an article on Rome at Wikitravel, a free online travel guide written and edited entirely by travelers from around the globe?

The current edition of the article I am going to update is here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Rome#Eat.

Wikitravel requires that all the content to be licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 license. Basically this means for you as a person who shared info that:

- it can be distributed further with attribution to you

- your original text will be further edited by other contributors at Wikitravel

So do you mind if I use pieces of your text at Wikitravel?

Denis

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On Jan 31, 2008, at 04:51 PM Nabu wrote:

Hi Denis,

Yes, you can use pieces of my post on eating in Rome.

Best regards,

Gabriella

(Nabu)

Later I will include details from that post into Rome#Eat. --DenisYurkin 07:32, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Done--see Rome#Pricing and Rome/Campo de' Fiori#Cooking yourself. --DenisYurkin 07:42, 2 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] best trattorie and ristoranti in Jewish quarter

> the old Jewish quarter have some of the best trattorie and ristoranti in Rome

Can we give some examples of these? --DenisYurkin 05:18, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

A very famous one is ["Da Giggetto al Portico d'Ottavia"] 84.226.85.189 20:02, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

If this is the only one, then we should probably just list it in Eat section, but not give such a general characteristic to the whole quarter? Or there many other examples--what are them? --DenisYurkin 02:53, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] limousine services

Do we really need all (or any) limousine services here at Wikitravel? Do we believe that limousine rental customers will/should ever read Wikitravel? --DenisYurkin