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[edit] TO DO

Wow, this article has a ton of info, but it needs serious organizing.

• Does it need so many districts? It might make it more manageable to a traveler if we combined some.

More manageable now perhaps but in a few years when every church in Rome is listed?Shep 13:29, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

• Move all of the restaurant and sleep listings to the relevant district pages, per the huge city template.

• I'm not familiar with the city, but are all of those hotels relevant? There's a ton there, in addition to moving the good ones to their respective district pages, I'm wondering if several can't be deleted...

• Some listings need phone #'s and addresses to be added, and all of them should be templatized... Cacahuate 08:38, 19 January 2007 (EST)

• Why is there a neighborhood and city area section? Trastevere is in both section. Kind of messy. - i just fixed this, thanks for pointing it out! ::: Cacahuate 02:58, 26 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] TO DO related

• What purpose the list of districts serves since it is not the list of Rome's actual districts? See e.g. [[1]]. I know this is due to the huge city template, but I find made-up districts confusing.

• Map of the actual districts would be handy. It is hard to find the areas (e.g. Testaccio for partying) if there's not even a written description of it's location. There's an old picture on Italian wikipedia (the link above).

[edit] website of embassies

• List of Embassies in Rome [2]

I removed this external link from the article but it's a good site with a lot of info on other embassies that someone might want to add in later... Cacahuate 08:25, 19 January 2007 (EST)

To clarify above statement, I meant someone might add them in individually later... we don't allow external link's like this one... ::: Cacahuate 12:37, 21 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Section headers

I reverted changes to the headers for this article so it fits our big city article template. --Evan 15:27, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Panoramic Images of Rome

The Roman Tour from PanoramicEarth.com has over 100 panoramic images of the sights and attractions around the city. Many of the locations listed under your 'See' section are featured. Would it be reasonable to suggest a link to it within the article?

[edit][add listing] Sleep

I hope in the near future to move all the accommodation listings into the correct districts. I've also added an English translation of the Italian Version which includes all the zones of the city. Travelbubble 14:49, 8 Nov 2007 (EDT)

Can we endeavour in future to add / transfer accommodation listings to the relevant District pages for Rome please? This will tidy up the main page somewhat and reduce memory size. The main Rome page can be used to talk about the options in general, best areas to go , etc. Pjamescowie 05:33, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

[edit] 17% of world's monuments

Where does this crazy number comes from? That's not true even for World Heritage Sites, let alone for "monuments" of any kind. Please clarify. - Ricardo (Rmx) 06:48, 22 March 2006 (EST)

56.3876 % of anything interesting is in Mexico. Sapphire 04:11, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

I must agree. The whole idea of a visit to Rome is to escape from people who quote statistics about art.

[edit] Overview of Rome's hotels.

moved from Main page talk Majnoona 19:15, 4 April 2006 (EDT)

How accommodation in Rome works.

Rome's hotels since the liberalization of the accommodations in Italy are much more and in better shape than they'have been in years; dozens upon dozens of these properties have undergone recently deep renovations.

On the other side the huge quantity of tourism the city has experienced in the last couple of years, finding a good hotel room at any time of the year is harder than ever.

So, before traveling Italy, make the reservations as far ahead as possible.

The hotels in Rome are among the most luxurious in Europe, but, when reviewing the best of the upscale hotels, try always to have a good selection of moderately priced hotels, where you can find confortable, charming lodgings with private bathrooms. Rome has inexpensive choices and can offer more in services and facilities than you might expect from the prices.

Furthermore, the italian government controls the prices of its hotels, designating a minimum and a maximum rate. The difference between the two might depend on the season, the location of the room and even its size.

Government ratings do not depend on sensitivity of decoration or frescoed ceilings, but they are based on facilities, such as elevators and the like. Many of the finest hotels in Rome have a lower rating because they serve only breakfast.

Hotels usually require you to check out on the day of departure between 10 am and noon: later than this, you run the risk of being charged for a further night. As to check-in times, there are no hard and fast rules, but if you are going to arrive late in the dat, it's probably best to mention this when you book a room.

Nearly all hotels in Rome are heated in the cooler months, but not all are airconditioned in summer, which can be vitally important during July and August.

Stefano Sandano is an archaeologist of Rome and expert of his city. You can find out more informations about Rome hotels and sightseeing visiting http://www.romanguide.com

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I wonder whether this content can be partially or fully used in the article itself. I just found the same text in here [3], and wonder whether it's copyvio or not. According to archive.org, it appeared at 1888 on or before May 08, 2006--but I can't say for sure whether it happened after April 4, 2006 when it appeared here at Wikitravel. --DenisYurkin 07:39, 2 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] No access to the Canadian Embassy Page

I tried to acsess this page, but no luck, I got a user login box. Please provide correct username and password.zzz198

[edit] Mapping

Rome is notoriously awful to navigate. The fact that street names have about 3 shortened variations and street signs are as difficult to find as in London means it may well be worth providing google map links to each mentioned venue, especially where to report theft.

What would really be worthwhile would be for folks to work on the Open Street Map Rome maps, since we could then use that data to create maps for our own travel guides. I've looked far and long for any other existing free content street maps of Rome; they don't exist. --Peter

[edit] district borders

Discussion moved to Talk:Rome/Districts.

[edit] Eat:pricing

How much a traveler should budget for breakfast, lunch or dinner when staying in Rome?

Ideally I would love if we come to a section similar to London#Pricing: for price like this, expect to get that in most areas. Exception are tourist traps in places like that. --DenisYurkin

I asked the same question at tripadvisor, and received a detailed reply that its author allowed to use at Wikitravel. Here's what I wrote to her and what I received back per Talk:Copyleft:

On Jan 29, 2008, at 03:12 PM yurkennis wrote:

Hi Nabu.

Do you mind if I use some pieces of your post (http://rome-hotels.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187791-i22-k1687816-Budgeting_lunch_dinner-Rome_Lazio.html) to contribute to an article on Rome at Wikitravel, a free online travel guide written and edited entirely by travelers from around the globe?

The current edition of the article I am going to update is here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Rome#Eat.

Wikitravel requires that all the content to be licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 license. Basically this means for you as a person who shared info that:

- it can be distributed further with attribution to you

- your original text will be further edited by other contributors at Wikitravel

So do you mind if I use pieces of your text at Wikitravel?

Denis

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On Jan 31, 2008, at 04:51 PM Nabu wrote:

Hi Denis,

Yes, you can use pieces of my post on eating in Rome.

Best regards,

Gabriella

(Nabu)

Later I will include details from that post into Rome#Eat. --DenisYurkin 07:32, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Done--see Rome#Pricing and Rome/Campo de' Fiori#Cooking yourself. --DenisYurkin 07:42, 2 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] best trattorie and ristoranti in Jewish quarter

> the old Jewish quarter have some of the best trattorie and ristoranti in Rome

Can we give some examples of these? --DenisYurkin 05:18, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

A very famous one is ["Da Giggetto al Portico d'Ottavia"] 84.226.85.189 20:02, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

If this is the only one, then we should probably just list it in Eat section, but not give such a general characteristic to the whole quarter? Or there many other examples--what are them? --DenisYurkin 02:53, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] limousine services

Do we really need all (or any) limousine services here at Wikitravel? Do we believe that limousine rental customers will/should ever read Wikitravel? --DenisYurkin

[edit] why is this outline?

why is this article outline? it deserves a useable! keep smiling ,Edmontonenthusiast 12:02, 3 November 2008 (EST).

[edit] Sleep & Eat section

Has the districts been agreed? If so we need to do something about this mess - the current state is a disgrace for one of the biggest tourist destinations in the world. Apparently Rome was unwatched for too long, and the sleep section got completely out of control - I went baserk some weeks ago, in an attempts to clean up a bit of the mess, but I really think we should take more drastic measures - I suggest erasing (all out nuclear war) all sleep listings on the Front page and in Modern Center (I moved a bunch of listings here, and realized that using the listings' own place descriptions aren't really anything to go for in Rome)

I think Rome is large enough a destination that it will relatively quickly rebuild, and this way we can make sure that it rebuilds properly in the districts, and not on the front page. It may be a bit drastic, but as it stands now, it's pretty much just a poor version of the yellow pages, which is not really what we want - it degrades the quality of the article over all. Sertmann 22:54, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I'm not sure we have the districts quite nailed down—I was pretty excited to have a Roman professor of urban planning to help out, but it seems our Roman friends might have lost interest before we even got started. No reason why we can't just plunge forward and then reorganize if necessary in the future. I'm amenable to simply demolishing and starting anew, although I'd recommend keeping any complete (i.e., having non-touting hotel descriptions) sleep listings. I'd be more careful with the eat listings though, since avoiding tourist trap eateries in Rome can be a little difficult, and I think there are some good (if terribly mis-organized) recommendations here. Anyway, it might be wise to pause and see if anyone else has an opinion on this, since the proposal is a bit drastic and unusual. We'll see if anyone else is watching this page ;) --Peter ^Talk 23:07, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I've never been to Rome, and I don't know much about it except that Collosseum is located there, but if some listings are to be deleted, I agree with Peter that listings having non-touting descriptions should stay. Best of all would be moving all listings into district articles without deleting anything though. But it will be very hard, as the 'sleep' in particular is really a huge mess.--Vidimian 07:08, 21 November 2008 (EST)

This is a terrible mess, and I'm leaning further and further towards deletion. I think in the process we'd gain a good deal more than we'd lose. I'll start by removing the ones that lack descriptions; more discussion would be good though. --Peter ^Talk 14:15, 7 January 2009 (EST)

[edit] artists that Americans are familiar with

Re this piece:

Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Moderna (the National Gallery of Modern Art) An underrated way to see fantastic art made after the Renaissance. Though with the exception of Modigliani and Pollock, few of their works were produced by artists that Americans are familiar with, these modern Italian artists are well worth getting familiar with.

I believe it was discussed earlier that Wikitravel should not be western-centric (and definitely should not be Americans-centric)--although I can't easily link to appropriate policy page (is there?). For now, I replaced "Americans" with "an average traveller"; please welcome to improve it further. --DenisYurkin 17:07, 14 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] Shuttle/Limousine services

We hardly need any more spamming targets in Rome, so I propose we delete the lot. --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 13:56, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Definitely agree: Talk:Rome#limousine services. --DenisYurkin 14:56, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Hotels often call limousines instead of taxis, esp. to the airports. People need to know that is a possibility and to be able to compare prices.Shep 13:24, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] See section

I was just looking over the Rome page, and saw that you moved the Colosseum, the Forum, and the Pantheon to the district articles. While I agree that a large, detailed listing like that should go into the district article and that there does seem to be a few too many See listings on the main Rome page, shouldn't we leave just a short listing for those main attractions on the main page? A lot of people will at least want to see which district article they're located in. Per example, I'm thinking of the San Francisco#Landmarks section. PerryPlanet ^Talk 14:42, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

I was thinking more in the lines of an overview like the one I did in Copenhagen or Peter and Marc did in Chicago, mainly because Rome gets a lot of useless listings, and I thought unlistifying things would improve things a bit, but I have no strong feelings on the matter either. --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 14:53, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh, nice! Well after seeing the examples you sent me, I have no hard feelings on the matter either. Just checking. :) PerryPlanet ^Talk 15:00, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

So does someone else want to chip in on this? otherwise I think we should go ahead and empty all the listings from the see section, AND remember to do a write up at months end - with all neglect Rome have suffered, I think it can cope with a see section is disarray for the remainder of the month.

I'm thinking we could break up it up into Ancient Rome, Religious something, Museums and Other attractions --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 15:12, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

How about we throw Architecture in there, for the historical buildings section? So it would go Ancient Rome, Religious (maybe we should just call it Catholicism, since that's what we're really talking about), Museums, Architecture, and Other attractions. Public squares, if we're even going to keep them under the main article, can go under Other. PerryPlanet ^Talk 16:07, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

[edit] price ranges for accommodation, by month

I wonder if we can create a price-for-typical-accommodation--depending-on-month table, to give an idea of how much accommodation can cost, and what can be the best option for a given budget.

However, I only know from my experience that in March, decent apartments range €100-150, and any hotels are quite higher. Anyone have more data? Or--can we start with a nearly-blank table, and expect it to be completed months (or even years) from now? --DenisYurkin 15:22, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't really know, but at least you could try, with the number of hotel owners roaming around our Rome guide, we might get lucky one of them actually want to contribute something, not that I would hold by breath :) --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 10:29, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

I've added my first draft to Rome#Sleep. It's absolutely far from perfection, both in categories to be used and in the amount of price data. Open for criticism and (ideally) contribution ;-) --DenisYurkin 15:27, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Usable status

This collaboration seems to have been a pretty big success. Can we congratulate ourselves by promoting this article to usable? PerryPlanet ^Talk 12:08, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't know, I think we need to do that writeup of the see section first - if it doesn't get done, I'll eventually do it, but I'm pretty busy trying to get all the disticts in Copenhagen done right. --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 12:16, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Rome South

Now there is a separate section for Ostia can I delete refs to Ostia from the Rome south section? Shep 13:27, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] other attractions

Difficult to think of what to include in here. A trip to Stadio Olimpico? The Borghese Gardens? Most things are covered elsewhere. Can we delete the section?Shep

I can't think of anything else that couldn't be categorized. (A section on Roman villas might be interesting, although I certainly don't know enough to write one.) I've deleted it, at least until someone inserts something that doesn't fit elsewhere. --Peter ^Talk 15:09, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

[edit] rome/colosseo

Surely this is now ready for an upgrade?

Also, does the Celimontine Hill fit here? A bit difficult to tell from the map on the Rome page. Ciao tutti.Shep 16:06, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Colosseo still doesn't have any "get in" information, which keeps it at outline status. Celimontine Hill is in Aventino-Testaccio, and you can see this by looking at the talk page map fully zoomed [4]. Should this be changed? --Peter ^Talk 16:49, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Looks like the Celimontine is actually cut in two, part in the Aventine and part under Colosseo. There are a few interesting places in the area. I'll divide them up.

Strange that you require a "Get In" section for an area of a city. What do you want to say in that section? Rome tells you how to get in to Rome. Isn't that enough?Shep 02:57, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Basically, I think, district get in info is "get around" info from the main article distilled to just the information relevant to that district. Reading that, I'm not sure if that made sense, so here is a decent example of what a district guide should have. For Colosseo, I'm guessing that it would be useful to designate the main roads (for walking as well as driving purposes) and any notable bus routes? I don't know, though, I was content to walk anywhere, regardless of the distance, through that beautiful city. --Peter ^Talk 03:10, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Voila!Shep 07:41, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Tours

would anyone have any raving objections to removing the "Tours" section - it's a spamming target. --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 10:04, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

I gave my info under tours with a little description and have sadly seen it as well as other peoples info deleted and spamed leaving only one item in this section.I dont want to keep posting my info or become petty and start removing others' any advice on how to proceed

well, we do have an office and are a legitimate company. please look to our paypal bussiness info on our website as well as the better bussiness bureau. **** is a small company, consisting of 4 guides. To see if you think we are Spam, please read reviews about us on Tripadvisor.com We are registered in the US and have thus dont find it needed to provide an address here as our business. We are not a third party operator, if you look to our site you see we only provide 3 tours!!

Ask yourself whether you are here to improve Wikitravel, or to advertise your website.

And yes, lets just remove it, seeing as we only have one legitimate tour listing after a long time. --Peter ^Talk 10:50, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

I've given up hope on the tours section ever being useful (and it's certainly a pain to keep clean), so I removed it as of 14:22, 16 July 2009. --Peter ^Talk 15:24, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Rome for kids

The "with kids" information should not be in get out—it would probably best fit under "do." It would crowd that section in its present state, though. I'd suggest either condensing it and then moving it to do, or consider expanding it and moving it to a separate Rome with children travel topic, akin to several others in that series (Paris with children, New York City with children, etc.). --Peter ^Talk 17:25, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Rome hotel touts

So we are ready to admit that we can't resist against amount of spammers and touts? Maybe it's a valid precedent for revising policies in Wikitravel:Accommodation listings? Maybe "additions by non-contributing-otherwise users are marked as risky"? ;-))) --DenisYurkin 17:45, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I don't know if we're quite there yet, but that sort of policy might ultimately make sense for some of these Italian articles... I'd say 95% of the hotel & apt rental listings in the Rome guide were added by business owners, and as a general rule I don't trust them at all—this is clearly to the detriment of the guide. On the upside, I think it's pretty easy to spot which were written by actual travelers. Here's a good example: guess which one is the only real review. --Peter ^Talk 18:21, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Yes and No! :) The situation with the Rome guide is extraordinary as far as I'm aware, at least the American hotel touts are spread out over the whole country. I'm not giving up, this was just another weapon in the arsenal, and I fair warning I think. --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 18:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Maybe we'd better remove the whole Apartments section for Rome, until the time we will have enough contributors to disagree with any given just-added apartment agency? Or at least until we have enough "valid" experiences from real travelers--enough to fill the section with 9 listings, so that any new addition leads to a discussion how is it better than another 9? --DenisYurkin 05:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

I think we better not, I send an email to all those agencies asking them to improve their listing with the following info, or get removed at the end of the week.

• Price Range - In approximate terms, what is your cheapest rate for one night, and what is the most expensive for * both low-and high season. If you only have weekly rates, use a calculator.
• Number of properties - how many apartments/properties do you (roughly) have available.
• Office hours - When are your office open for visitors (if it's not, you shouldn't be on the list in the first place).
• Linen and/or cleaning service - are none, either or both standard on your rentals, how often?

Would be sorta hypocritical to delete them now, if they comply --Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 07:31, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Excellent idea! Let's see where it will bring us. --DenisYurkin 09:49, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Defining districts

I decided to move further afield than my home of Rome/South but now run into problems in the north. I wanted to do something on Rome's mosque (Viale della Moschea). Looking at the map at Rome this is definitely in Rome/North Center but the text states that Villa Torlonia is in Rome/North when it is actually much closer to the center than is the mosque. As there isn't much in Rome/North I would recommend cutting Rome/North Center into two and moving a large chunk into Rome/North.Shep 12:40, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Hmm, I'm a little confused. The mosque isn't at all near Villa Torlonia [5]—it's adjacent to Villa Ada [6]. Villa Torlonia actually falls just south of Via Nomentana, placing it in Rome/Nomentano [7].

Perhaps I was a bit drunk when I wrote the message! Anyway, right now the Rome page states:

North — the vast suburban neighborhoods to the north of the center, notable for the Villas Albani and Torlonia and the Catacombs of St Agnese (Municipi 4, 15-20)

So I hope you can understand my confusion. We need to change that info at least. Shep 02:05, 14 November 2009 (EST)

As for splitting off a chunk of Rome/North Center, I'm a little hesitant, since the river is such a clear, natural boundary. Rome/North is a little bare, but that's fairly natural as it is such a huge "leftover" chunk of the city. It's so big, though, that I'm fairly confident that we could find enough listings for all the sections other than "see." Chicago/Far Northwest Side is relatively analogous, in that it's mostly suburban, very big, and not a part of the city that sees a lot of tourists. It takes either good local knowledge or good research to fill out that sort of article (fortunately, Marc provided both for that one), but it's not impossible.

That was a rambling response—I hope I've said at least something useful ;) --Peter ^Talk 23:38, 13 November 2009 (EST)

I appreciate the problem, but the Spanish Steps are right in the middle of Rome and North/Center goes all the way out to the river, so in time perhaps we can do somethingShep 02:05, 14 November 2009 (EST)