Prague working Group
I've got 3 other volunteers who are going to be working with me on the Prague article. We'll be having our first meeting at The Globe on Tues Aug 16th at 1:30. Anybody else is welcome to join us. If you want to find us have a look at my page and then look for a similar face at the Cafe. Hopefully the Prague article will improve shortly. Aburda 03:32, 14 Aug 2005 (EDT)
COMMENT 26.9 - You could refer to the Czech Republic page for further details - you could link the pages together - eg Stay Healthy has tips about 24-hour pharmacists, a hospital etc.,
First Thoughts by Aaron
Districts - We should get rid of using the Prague numbers, use the older region names instead and only add regions that we have good content for
(Not a comprehensive list, add more or remove if you think we should)
Does anybody have any drawing skills? We need a map (and we can't use any existing maps for copyright reasons). Just something simple that is kind of a copy of the metro map). It would have to be done in photoshop or something similar.
Understand - I hate this section We need to focus on being informative about Czech culture and not expat (although that shouldn't be left out either). As discussed, a section of 'peculiarities' that people visiting for longer term will need to get used to should be added here.
See - Most of this stuff will be moved under the District articles, anybody have any ideas as to what attractions should be put here and not under the Distric pages? i.e. do we want to have a blank 'see' section on the main page and have all content under the Districts or are there somethings (the clock, bridge, etc.) that are to universal for Prague to be put in a district?
Eat - Section totally sucks, need a better description of foods on the main page and under the Distric pages (to be created) specific restaurants (with links to mapy.cz).
COMMENT 26.9 - You could provide a link to/from the Czech Republic page for descriptions about food and drink.
Do - Pretty weak description of all of the things to do in Prague, this section on the main page (IMHO) should contain lots of information as things like Ultimate Frisbee, etc. should not be put into a specific district (even if the training may take place there). On the other hand, dancing at 'The country club' would seem to definitely belong in 'Haje'
Sleep - totally sucks we need specific info for:
Just my thoughts, in no way comprehensive, let me know what you think. BTW, if you want add a comment, at the end of the comment, to sign your name put for tildes (~) in a row and it automatically adds your name and the date and time. Aburda 04:52, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Origin of material
It seems painfully obvious that the information added by the first anonymous contributor was copied verbatim from a book or an online source, most likely without the permission of the copyright holder. That contribution still forms the bulk of the contents of this page. Thus, it makes sense that it is removed. Dpol 19:28, 7 Jul 2004 (EDT)
I would like to take over the the Prague article but would like to find somebody to collaborate with on it, or at least to give me a bit of advice. All of my other articles have been just putting everything in my head down on paper, I'ld like to make this one a bit more professional. I'm in Prague and have the next month free (and can speak Czech) so its just a question of figuring out what information I should gather around the city and what needs to be cleaned up. If anybody is interested in cooperating email or skype me (info on my page). Aburda 07:27, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)
wow! this is a lot of great information! Maybe it should be organized into on of the Wikitravel:City article templates.
I removed the following paragraphs from the article because they're not relevant to travel. Put them back if you think they belong... KJ 21:47, 8 Sep 2003 (PDT)
Czech artists, writers and poets:
Franz Kafka, Jaroslav Hasek, Dvorak, Smetana, Milos Forman, Josef Skvorecky, Milan Kundera, Vaclav Havel, the anonymous Czech Gothic painter known as the Master of the Vyssi Brod altar, Baroque artists Christopher and Killian Ignaz Dientzenhofer as well as Giovanni Santini, Gothic architect Petr Parler, Karel Capek, Viteslav Nezval, Jaroslav Seifert, Bohumil Hrabal, Bozena Nemcova, Karel Hynek Macha, S.K. Neumann, Jan Neruda and Ivan Klima.
Metamorphosis, The Castle, The Good Soldier Schweik, The Bartered Bride (opera), The Unbearable Lightness of Being, The Engineer of Human Souls, Letters to Olga, Grandmother, R.U.R. (the word 'robot' was used for the first time in R.U.R!)
[Removed by Hypatia 12:09, 7 Nov 2004 (EST)]
Depending on the sect, Hussites could be incredibly radical and forward-thinking for their time. Some sects, such as the Taborites, named after the town of Tabor where they lived, even advocated communal property, free love and the abolition of marriage! No wonder they got into such trouble. Hussitism threatened the Catholic status quo and for a time, Catholic rulers around Europe feared the Hussites almost as much as the Turks. The difference was that the Hussites were an "enemy from within." It was visually easy to tell a Turk from a Western European but not so the Hussites. Though their religious beliefs were similar to those of fellow Protestant Lutherans, for the Hussites religion became important as a national rallying cry against foreign (read: Catholic) oppression. This was the first time the Czechs chose to take a stand against those who wanted to enforce cultural values on them. The end result was the Battle of Bila Hora (see section on Hvezda above) and years of Catholic domination that was more thoroughly enforced here than elsewhere as a means of rooting out what the rulers saw as heresy and the Czechs viewed as freedom.
[Removed by Hypatia 14:27, 7 Nov 2004 (EST)]
In 1580 Rabbi Loew, a scholar whose knowledge of the esoteric Kabbala interpretations of Hebrew scriptures was matched only by his leadership skills, decided the Jewish ghetto needed a protector who could be vigilant around the clock. These were dangerous times - the non-Jewish community believed Jews kidnapped and murdered Christian babies for use in their religious ceremonies, and accusations had reached a fevered pitch. The good rabbi decided to make a human-like figure from Vltava River mud which, Frankenstein-like, could be brought to life. Instead of the stereotypical lightning-bolt mad scientist laboratory scenario, the Golem was brought to life with a slip of paper in its mouth, on which a magic formula was written. One Sabbath Rabbi Loew forgot to deactivate the Golem and the monster went crazy, destroying the house and half the ghetto before his 'parent' got home in time to deactivate him.
This is probably one source of the "Sorcerer's Apprentice" story, popularised by Walt Disney in Fantasia
Photos under by-sa
Not sure if this is the place to post this, but: if anyone wants photographs of Prague (and nearby areas), my brother recently took a trip there. About 500 photographs are available at http://www.vu.union.edu/~stodolan/prague_web/ under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike license (or the GFDL). No model releases have been obtained, and some of the photos may be of copyrighted material (street posters, signs, etc.), so stay away from questionable material. Luke Stodola
I'm going to start splitting Prague into districts, starting with Praha 1: Old Town, New Town, Lesser Town, Jewish Town, and Castle. I'm not using the Czech names for them since the tour guides largely don't.
I'm not doing the other numbered districts at the moment, but they can be added in future, I presume -- Hypatia 11:11, 7 Nov 2004 (EST)
There's a really good list of attractions by quarter at http://www.prague.cz/prague-sights.asp -- Hypatia 12:11, 7 Nov 2004 (EST) Sleep - ads Why were the following paragrpahs removed? Are they against some policy (ads?)? --Prokonsul Piotrus
Jeruzalemska apartments, Jeruzalemska street (office address: Africká 16/616, 160 00 Praha 6). ph 0602 210 716. fax 0602 673 858. email firstname.lastname@example.org. Prices for these apartments for two people range from €65 (Christmas, Easter and August), €55 (April - July, September - October), €45 (other) per night for a single room in a shared apartment to €150 (Christmas, Easter and August), €130 (April - July, September - October) and €110 (other) for a large apartment. Wireless broadband is available in the private apartments for €4 per day. http://www.accommodation-dasha.cz/ + Mid-range accomodation can be found in most of the Praha 1 quarters: check in particular the east bank: Jewish Town, Old Town and New Town. Prague Room Apartments. email email@example.com. Reviews describe these apartments as excellent accommodation for the price. The Prague Room rooms and accommodation are very close to the city center and five minutes from the tram stop. Prices for two people range from €37 per night in summer and €28 per night in winter for the smallest rooms to €87 per night in summer and €64 per night in winter for a luxury self contained apartment. http://www.pragueroom.com/ Those look like perfectly appropriate sleep listings to me (we have listings, not ads). I think they should probably go onto the correct district page. -- Mark 08:39, 10 Nov 2004 (EST) They weren't removed, they were simply moved to district pages: look in Prague/New Town for the first one and Prague/Lesser Town for the second. Hypatia 09:59, 18 Dec 2004 (EST
18.104.22.168 removed the walking tour chunk of the page on an 18th December edit, with the message "- advertising". This doesn't make sense to me. We provide contact details for commercial services for travellers. That's what being a travel guide is about. In this case, we're providing details of a commercial provider of walking tours.
I was the one who added those particular walking tours. I have no association with the company. I'm happy to see them removed for any of a number of reasons (they're really bad, they've gone out of business, whatever). I'm happy to see competitors listed, and for the existing entry to be shortened. But I don't understand how it's an ad, or at least any more of an ad than any other listing that provides contact details for a travel-related service. I've reverted the edit for now. Hypatia 09:59, 18 Dec 2004 (EST)
I'm not a big fan of the understand section. I think the whole thing about foreigners is not really appropriate. We're trying to understand Czech's not the role of the expat community in Prague. There is no group that likes to complain more about itself (IMHO) than the expat community in Prague does. If the info is important it should get a subheading somewhere towards the bottom of Understand but even then it should probably be done more neutrally. The expat community has a lot of negatives about it but like any minority in a society also plays a valuable role. So request for comment, if I don't hear anything I'll modifty it. Aburda 18:02, 4 Jul 2005 (EDT)
I removed the links to the minor attractions (in the "See" section), as each one deserves to be expounded upon in this article, but none deserve their own stand-alone article. I don't mind adding some background and history to many of the locations, but it will have to wait until I finish my clean-ups of Jerusalem and Jerusalem/Old City. - Cybjorg 02:01, 5 May 2006 (EDT)
Anybody having any idea what the suggestion "...or just go to Hlavni Nadrazi (main train station) and take a private sleeping place with a person you find trustworthy (price will be approx the same)..." in the "Budget" sleeping section means? Is it meant seriously? Hlavni Nadrazi is known for its abundance of various suspicious characters and only the very adventurous (and desperate) people should try that. I suggest removing that part of the sentence. 22.214.171.124 15:19, 6 July 2006 (EDT)
Does anyone know what the stardard format for Czech addresses is? I took a (preliminary) stab at cleaning up the sleep listings but the order seems to differ throughout the article and on external pages. Also, it's been so long since I was in Prague that I'm more than a little fuzzy on the districts. If I edit the sleep listings from the main Prague page, can someone with more local knowledge please move them into the correct districts? Thanks Thewayoftheduck 03:10, 19 July 2006 (EDT)
Pasted from my talk page: "I believe Czech addresses are written in this manner: Place, Street 334, Praha 12, Telephone, etc., etc. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:17, 19 July 2006 (EDT)" Thewayoftheduck 02:27, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Tourist trap section
Does this belong in Understand or in some combination of Stay safe, Stay healthy and Cope? Hypatia 23:04, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
Prague 360 a
I apologize for creating problems on the Prague page. I was only trying to help by adding decent content, removing inaccuracies and offensive material, and adding links to immersive imaging. The latter is the best form of armchair travel I've ever seen. It's a shame the external link policy does not allow this. So, good luck, and if anyone has questions, ask me :-)
Prague 360 b
So, as I've received a bunch of annoyed mails from what I presume to be Prague360's webmasters, I'll account for my actions here.
One of Wikitravel's basic policies is that we don't link to other travel guides, which includes Prague 360. Your contributions are welcome and very much appreciated, but no, there is no quid pro quo for your (or any other!) organization: The traveller comes first, not your agency.
If Prague 360 is a primary provider of something useful, like guided tours etc, then you can enter it once under "Do". But the other links have got to go. Jpatokal 01:53, 11 November 2006 (EST)
Ryan, try looking at the links, footnotes mostly, to landmarks, which I've inserted. There is nothing "spam" about it. There isn't even a company logo on these pages. It is more image than can fit on the screen at one time, in fact! That's spam? --Prague 06:01, 11 November 2006 (EST)
Reply from Prague 360, the only ones who have actually offered useful content
VR images are like this: http://www.prague360.com/360/html/generated/news_2006_murakami_kafka_prize_fs.html
they allow you to see a space in a way that is not possible in any other way. As a producer of this under-utilized and largely unknown medium, to which the first response from *every* person is "Wow! How come I never saw something like this before?" I am doing my damndest to make these more widely known and expected.
The response from the "wiki-nazis" has been to delete these "footnotes" which I find to be rude - never mind the fact that I correct at least a hundred mistakes, errors, and xenophobic/hateful comments that were the last incarnation of the "prague" page.
If wikipedia is to be so closed as to not allow readers the chance to SEE the places it talks about using (arguably) the most exciting visual medium available on the internet, then those contributors (who also have verbal knowledge to offer) will take their knowledge elsewhere.
There appear to be people here discussing what to write about on the Prague page yet don't know the city and haven't actually contributed anything except deletion of our link. I meanwhile have actually contributed something, and also offer a link to our site which offers many things that can't be put into wikitravel. If you find that to be link spam, then I'll remove all of my content and leave this page to to xenophobic bloggers and clueless prague poets. --Prague 04:30, 11 November 2006 (EST)
I called the previous text "xenophobic" because it advised people to "be very careful of groups of gypsies because they might rob you". Yes?--Prague 14:58, 11 November 2006 (EST)
Another note: See: Charles Bridge:  <- Does this not let someone "see" what charles bridge looks like, better than any other photo??
What is "link spam" about this?!!!!???!!
I find it hilarious that this Prague page seems to be written by a bunch of people who haven't been there for years and spend more time deleting my content than adding to it. Is this really productive?
What can footnotes possibly refer to, but something else that is on the web, but not on wikitravel? It's rather insane actually, if you don't mind me saying so: External links are forbidden, and a nice button for FOOTNOTE is there. Ok, Whatever :)
I went into contributing to the wikitravel page because I thought it would be a fruitful collaboration between two entities, Prague 360 and Wikitravel. Obviously that is not the case. So, enjoy! When you need to check your facts, don't hesitate to visit us :-)
Train travel confusion?
"...for example you have to change at least two or three times to get to Paris, and the journey takes more than 13 hours...."
Whats the matter ? The shortest connection Paris Prague takes 12hours 10 minutes and is of course with some changes. Who would do that anyway, far to expensive. Whats the problem with changeing the train by the way ? 126.96.36.199
Districts are wrong
The district information is completely wrong. It states there are 15 districts, but this is not the case in any of the systems being used. There used to be 10 nubered districts Praha 1 - Praha 10. These old districts are still used for some purposes (post offices AFAIK), but since 1990 a more complicated system was introduced. I live in Prague since then, but I have to admit that I am completely confused in these matters. There are municipal districts and different administrative districts. For example, "Praha 4" can be an "old-system" district, an administrative district, or a municipal district - in each system, Praha 4 has different size and different borders. Huh! There is an article on wikipedia, I hope information there is right.
What is needed to be done: 1) rewrite the information about districts or just delete the wrong info and link to Wikipedia. 2) define the areas (North... ) properly in one system. Define which system is being used. 3) probably include a map with the areas, minimizing any confusion.
What do you think? --Kyknos 16:15, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
making content more concise
Having used this guide on a recent trip to Prague I wanted to make some amendments. There are a few typos/grammatical errors - but my main issue is sections are a bit flabby - they could do with a nip and tuck.
Before I do any changes - I also wanted to get some feedback on more significant edits:
What do people think? timbo 16:47, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Slovak is not an official language of the Czech Republic, it is spoken in Slovakia. As written in the article, the two languages are very similar, but they are distinct languages nevertheless, and some Czechs, especially younger ones who grew up after the partition of Czechoslovakia, have some trouble understanding Slovak.
Is this really a Guide article?
I don't want to criticise all the good work that has been done on this article but I don't think it is really ready for Guide status. None of the attractions list the address for example. There is too much reliance on external web sites and not enough info presented on the page. A little bit more work and it could be an excellent tool for seeing a great city but right now I suspect that most people would also want to have Lonely Planet with them as well! Cheers Shep 06:29, 3 January 2010 (EST)
Legally Allowed Amount of Drugs
I've tried to update the section about the legally allowed amount of drugs one can carry. I've taken the numbers from http://www.drogy.net/portal/hlavni_portal/drogy-a-media/z-domova-2/od-noveho-roku-nebude-trestne-drzeni-15-gramu-marihuany_2009_12_15.html . I was not able to find the numbers in the actual government's meeting minutes (it should be "Usnesení č. 1550" at http://kormoran.vlada.cz/usneseni/usneseni_webtest.nsf/web/cs?Open&2009&12-14 , but that particular document just talks about what to implement and doesn't include any numbers).
"Firstly, Czech people are unbelivably poor in English. Chance is there to meet very rude local people when you are trying to communicate with them. Knowing only some simple czech words would unfortunately wont save you from such bad times. Avoid from local people when you are in Prague, try to ask any foreign students you see along the streets if you have any problems, they are usually more well-mannared and would response you even more detailed (and friendly definitely)."
Enough of this. These kinds of rants belong on your blog, or on expats.cz, not in a travel guide. 188.8.131.52 15:14, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
Meet and Greet locals
here is a participation I would like to make for the Prague article, specially the "Do" section, there's more and more people who wants to get a real experience of the city they are travelling to, I think a taste of local life is important specially by meeting with real people from Prague. Here is what I would like to add :
For the traveler's who wants to get a real taste of Prague, you can join real native people that will show you their city around. Everyday with small groups they share their passion of the Magical city during 90 minutes walking tours. This service is free, guests choose their tip. Learn about the main landmarks but also the everyday life, the best addresses from young energetic, fun and educated guides.
BIKO Adventures Prague
Hello everybody, my name is Filippo and I work with BIKO in Prague. I am a traveller, backpacker, couchsurfer and I care for the community. We read all the policy about the tours. That is why I took the freedom to add BIKO in the Prague page as I think it is not something that the travellers can do alone. In fact we offer real mountain bike tours around Prague and most of our tracks are impossible to find if you are a normal traveller as we put together an incredible number of singletracks not signaled in maps or common website. There is no way for a traveller to start from the center and ride 30 kms of singletrecks alone. Our trips are from mountain bike enthusiast to mountain bike enthusiast. Also we have mountain bike worthy 2000 euro because it is the only way to ride those rocky trails. There are no rentals with such bikes.
Here you can find a short text that a customer from New York posted on our wall on our Facebook BIKO Adventures Prague fan page: Filippo, your Great Escapes tour was truly EIPIC. How you managed to stitch together 3+ hours of primo singletrack right in the center of Prague is remarkable. I think I saw more of Prague than most natives have seen and am impressed at both the quality and quantity of singletrack available within biking distance of the city center.
What, no hostels?
The first thing I need when I visit a city is a reliable list of good and cheap hostels. Why this article doesn't list a single one is beyond me. I'll add at least the one I know. maikel 14:36, 16 December 2012 (EST)
Is not a business in the usual sense of the word and "has a physical location at Trojanova 3. Stop by and pick up a free map chock-full of great tourist information! The maps are made by young locals, they are non-conventional and non-commercial, they are made for young travellers and for people who want to step out of the crowd and see Prague from a different point of view. In the infocentre at Trojanova 3 you can also find coffee and tea, internet, good mood, maps of other cities."
It was for that reason that I thought it merited a clear exception to our current policy stated at alog since we are suggesting that people physically visit it (much as they would visit a "Welcome Center" stateside) to get the free map and some orientation. I thought that was helpful to travellers.
What do others think of this edit, please?