Reflection point: the larger administrative area
Here's some reflection point:
How can an article on a larger administrative sectioning like Osaka Prefecture, for example, be better handled?
Since Osaka Prefecture and even Osaka City is not necessarily tourism-centric, there aren't really flooding-too-much that can be included in either stand-alone pages. There are already some mentions and descriptions on destinations outside Osaka City in the Osaka City article page. eg. Expo Park (Suita City), Mino Koen (Mino City)
So how do we want this type of place's article grow? Move out each time one finds a topic that does not belong there? Replicate it? Redirect it? Combine the whole prefecture page with the city part? Either way, it would be better to have some common understanding on how to deal with this as as it continues to go, duplication of work can increase.
Everything on Wikitravel is structured around "destinations", see Wikitravel:What is an article?. Basically, if it's a standalone town with its own accommodation etc, it gets its own article and then other articles just point to it in "Get out". So Expo Park would go in Suita, Mino Koen would go in Mino, etc. Jpatokal 05:04, 8 February 2007 (EST)
Okay, thank you for your reply. Let me try that out. I've gone through the current Osaka City article, to find out this maybe going to take away a remarkable amout of text. Tell me what you think again after the change. 60dot 05:29, 8 February 2007 (EST)
Waitwait -- you're allowed to (required to!) use common sense. For example, if the "city" is a sleeper suburb that nobody would ever visit except for Attraction X, then you can keep X in the main Osaka page. Likewise, it makes zero sense to start splitting up university listings just because they have a campus or two outside city limits. Jpatokal 05:45, 8 February 2007 (EST)
I guess you are getting to my original point actually. Let me ask it a different way then; which one is the "main" page? If Osaka was the one you mean, then nothing really remains in the Osaka (prefecture) page. Even Sakai is in doubt. Sakai DOES serve as a bed town for commuters to Osaka City, and IS a big city in terms of population, but otherwise a traveller would usually not stay overnight. So everything would go into Osaka?
Yes, Osaka (prefecture) is basically a container, which exists so that you can place cities under it (because cities always belong to regions, not to other cities). Jpatokal 09:47, 8 February 2007 (EST)
Let me get this straight. Take the example of Minō:
Minō Koen exists in Minō City. Minō City belongs to Osaka Prefecture but not to Osaka City. So Minō City will get its own page as a link from Osaka (prefecture); a Get Out title only from Osaka (which currently is Osaka City.) Minō Koen is however the only spot I can name for an average visitor to visit. The city does have a couple of accomodations targetted at domestic travellers more or less. It's easily reachable from Osaka City, too. Do you still want a standalone article page for Minō City with virtually Minō Koen the only text in it?
Similar situation with Ibaraki City. Thoughts? 60dot 10:25, 8 February 2007 (EST)
The short answer is "yes". Wikitravel is not just for tourists: business travelers and English teachers etc may also end up in Mino, and then they can add restaurants, hotels, obscure little sights, etc. At the end of the day our goal is to conquer cover the world. Jpatokal 11:31, 8 February 2007 (EST)