The last update of North Korea was by myself. Computer took it upon itself to log out while I was writing. Professorbiscuit 22:10, 9 Aug 2004 (EDT)
Lie some more please
There is no food shortage in NK, that is over since 2000 Also, there is no risk in travel to North Korea unless you are stupid enought, tourist who got arrested in NK were idiots who disobeid the rules "DO NOT BRING ANY RELIGIOUS SYMBOL" and an idiot the first thing he does is start gifting bibles to the N. Koreans, if you do that, you WILL be sentenced to Forced Work, but almost nobody is stupid enought Almost all of this article is typical propaganda for make the DPRK look like an Orwellian hell
I got here looking how to emigrate/defect to the DPRK (North Korea) and I dont find results, howerer, this place looks like the right place to ask
The page for North Korea doesn't have a Respect section, while that for the South does. Could a more educated Wikitraveller who is more knowledgeable on North Korea, see whether the things mentioned in the Respect section of South Korea are also valid for the North? Eyeflash 16:58, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)
Removed 'Israel' from the list of countries whose citizens are generally not allowed to travel into NK. Currently, this rule applies only to US and SK citizens. note: NK does not recognize dual nationality.
I am a photojournalist travelling to NK tomorrow. I was told that US, SK and japanese nationals cannot apply. I was OK. I am not Israeli but since israel was not mentioned in the correspondance with NK officials, I can conclude that israeli are allowed.
Travel to NK is not recommended
Why is there a warning at the top saying "travel to North Korea is not recommended"? Plenty of people are still visiting. The news report quoted is from Fox News - a right wing TV company well known for its strong support for George Bush, we are hardly going to see a unbiased report from them. North Korea is not in the list of countries that the British Govt advise their nationals to avoid . I think the "travel to North Korea is not recommended" sentence should be completely removed. —The preceding comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 18 March 2009
Actually, as of 11/03/2011, the US Gov't has a warning against traveling to the DPRK, found at the above site. —The preceding comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) 08:35, 20 November 2011
Travel is actually possible for anyone who is not a South Korean citizen, even Korean Americans are allowed. I went on a tour to the DPRK with Young Pioneer tours that had numerous Korean Americans and an Israeli. —The preceding comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 12 June 2012
I made some changes that were reverted with the motivation that wikitravel is not supposed to be NPOV but just fair and honest. I think this article is very coloured by a specific political point of view. I live in Sweden and here freedom of religion for swedes (immigrants had freedom of religion before that) was instituted in 1951. Would anyone say that the porpose of the state church and other state supported religious groups back then existed to "provide illusion of religious freedom"? Why then should this said about North Korea?
I believe that the democrats and republicans in the US are essentially the same and that the bi-party system of the US is undemocratic since it effectively excludes all opposition parties. Does that mean that the article about the US should say that there are two political parties to "provide illusion of political freedom"? Well, obviously not.
I really can't see how my edit was not in the spirit of "fairness".
As for the Korean war. How can it be fair to call the actions of the north "overrunning" and the south/US "uniting". North korea winning the war would also have been a uniting, and the US conquering all of Korea would have been an overrunning of the North. Why is the positive word associated with the US and the negative with the north? 188.8.131.52 08:32, 13 June 2006 (EDT)
Not very much is to say about them, since you are not allowed to talk to them without the permission and supervison of your tour guide. ... okay..
Someone likes to change the "Government Type" periodically. In some perverse way, their changes may be true. But the purpose of Wikitravel is to provide useful information to travellers. A change which obscures the Very Special nature of the North Korean government is not helpful. "Stalinist dictatorship" works best, I think, because it punches the reader in the face with a clear and unambigous description about what to expect. While it is more complicated than that, this short phrase gets the reader as close as any short phrase is going to get them to understanding. And then they can read the text for the petty details. -- Colin 22:16, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
Hi Bill, you made a change calling this "Single-party Socialist (per constitution) republic". To me, that's one heckava mouthful that has way too many meaningless words: the constitution is only a convenience since it could be overthrown on a whim. Republic does mean anything to me either: a self-appointing oligarchy isn't really a republic since the slave-class has no republican rights and makes up the vast majority of the country (yeah, I'd decline to call ancient Athens a "republic" to a traveller too since that would imply a level of freedom that was nonexistent for the slaves, so it's too much of an oversimplification). In a republic, even the lowliest voters ought be able to promote a different leader, which isn't true in this heirarchical committee system.
I've always liked "Stalinist dictatorship" since it gets across the most important ideas to the readers fast: first, that the government is overcontrolling (unusually so even for a dictatorship!) like Stalin, and second that there is a head Stalin who should not be disrespected on peril of your life. I'd druther keep this meaning for fast-recognition by the traveller. Two-words of description, and the extra info a traveller might need is pretty much fine-level detail at that point.
And lastly, why compromise with someone who has been to North Korea and saw no dictatorship, and who's near-every-edit is politically motivated? I'd rather wait and compromise with someone who sees the situation as it is, but disagrees with the phrase. -- Colin 17:51, 25 August 2006 (EDT)
So it bounced around from various jokes and eventually landed at "Communist State". I don't care for that term since we use it for less extreme dictatorships like Cuba. Since the attempt at compromise failed, I put it back to "Stalinst dictatorship" since that's what it started with and it seems to have some broad support. -- Colin 16:24, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
why visit NK
This is a messed up place. Who would want to go to North Korea other than spies or journalists? Seriously people... --Member 15:22, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
I would find it interesting to visit NK, and i don't think I'm the only one. --184.108.40.206 14:36, 16 February 2007 (EST)
Like the person who wrote before me, I would like to visit North Korea- precisely because it's messed up and it's shrouded in secrets. Think about it- it's the only messed up place on earth that one can visit without fear of being hit by bombs. Visiting "messed up" places opens one's eyes to human nature, the human psyche- it never amazes me how one human being, through ingeniously skillful political manoeuvering, can bend an entire adult populace to his will! And convince them all that it's all for their own good (or the good of the country), and the prison in which they dwell is heaven on earth! A true study in the complex psychology of politics, and history (cf. Hitler) and how, as humans, even in the 21st century and the age of science and mass communication, we're never safe from the raw power of the mob mentality...
After reading the article, I want to visit NK even more... I don't mind bowing to statues and dripping praise on things and people I have no admiration for- we all do the latter every day in the West (it's called "paving your way for a promotion")... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angela1204 (talk • contribs)
I think visiting North Korea would be fascinating, though I would be reluctant to provide the North Korean government with hard currency. 220.127.116.11 00:59, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
I would find it very interesting and different experience to go to because of all the secrets and strict rules you have to follow it just be a different thing to do.
So much disscussion over a so idiotic thing For start, Stalinism doesnt exist, Stalin was a Marxist-Leninist, and I love how you want to expand more propaganda lies about Stalin and the DPRK. Stalin was NOT A DICTATOR, he was NOT BRUTAL, and the DPRK is NOT TOTALITARIAN
Korean Friendship Association
The Korean Friendship Association is, for all intents and purposes, the DPRK's official homepage -- see About. Mr. Cao de Benos may be a few raisins short of a fruitcake, but the official endorsements listed on the site are not a joke, and there are no competing 'more official' sites because the .kp domain is dormant. Jpatokal 21:40, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
Re: Nampo vs Namp'o vs Nampho, Wikitravel:Romanization states that apostrophes and breves should be dropped from titles, and I've also arbitrarily decreed that we should use standard McCune-Reischauer, not the weird North Korean variant: even KCNA doesn't spell 평양 as "Phyongyang". Jpatokal 08:59, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
Since "Stalinism" is a derrogatory term for the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, and Marxism-Leninism was abandoned by Kim Il-Sung after 1953 for Juche, it is not correct to call the DPRK a "Stalinist dictatorship". "Juche state" is more appropriate, since it accurately tells you about the government and it's ideology.
Nowhere in DPRK is Stalin praised, or even acknowledged with regards to government and ideology. Calling DPRK a "Stalinist Dictatorship" makes Wikitravel appear amateurish and compromises its integrity. The most accurate term would be Juche state, then Communist state, however, people here don't agree. So a good compromise seems to be the CIA World Factbook phrasing "Communist state one-man dictatorship," which is more scary sounding than Cuba and PRC's "Communist state" label, achieving the goal of helping people realize that DPRK is different than Cuba and PRC. Anyhow, if anyone reads the entire article, he will recognize the heavy totalitarianism in DPRK. No one goes to a Wikitravel article, reads the one or two word government description, and decides that it's a great idea to travel to that country. And because all travelers to DPRK have to go on guided tour, I'm sure the tour company will talk about the totalitarian-ness of the country. Honestly, I'm okay with any accurate description of the government of DPRK. But Stalinist is terribly inaccurate. --18.104.22.168 13:52, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
I noticed the following words in the "Get in" section:
"It is also noted that Protestant Christians and Jews are forbidden to enter the country. So it is important if any members of those religions to not wear or bring anything (e.g. a Bible or Star of David or Christian Cross necklace) that will give away their religious affiliation during the visa process."
I found that hard to believe and so searched Google which did not bring up anything suggesting a ban on Protestants and Jews. I have removed the above wording from the article...but if it is true (and give evidence), feel free to move it back. AHeneen 01:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)
Doesn't anybody know that DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic of Korea???!!! This is a democratic country with democratically elected leaders! How can you call that """Totalitarian Dictatorship"""?
The only difference between DPRK and the USA is that DPRK is based on a consensual leadership thanks to the great popularity of the current leader Kim Jong-Il who got re-elected this year with a little over 100% of the ballot. Obama is nothing compared to that, he who merely received half of the ballots in the 2008 election...
This should be acknowledged and celebrated in the main article.
Quimper sempre paternamos nobis, alea trebilla JUCHE !
If you go in august or I have heard september even or travel with Koryo tours in their new american independent travel package you can go as an american as long as you are not jewish PS the option if you are a jew is lie which isn't hard
is there any way to access the internet for tourists? like in hotels or internet cafes? I think not but it doesnt hurt to ask. I take it laptops have to be surrendered at the border?22.214.171.124 03:26, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
Does anyone know North Korea well enough to address the WT regional structure?
We currently show 13 administrative areas which agrees with the CIA map here. It would not be too hard to break these into four or five regions but I am reluctant to do that without any real knowledge of the country. Suggestions? --Burmesedays 12:25, 20 November 2009 (EST)
Going from my experience with how the mountains cut South Korea in two, I'd propose something like this - a mix of geographic features, historic provinces, and my best shot at something which is not totally taken out of the blue.
Donghae Coast (동해연안)
Baekdu Mountains (백두산맥)
Really good job Stefan and Peter. This article is exponentially better than it was 72 hours ago.--Burmesedays 10:42, 23 November 2009 (EST)
According to: http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Korea#Tours there are numerous Travel Agencies organising tours to North Korea. Most of them are pretty expensive, which means at least 1000 Euro for a 4/5 day trip. Did anybody try "Explore North Korea Tour Group"? At the moment (13.Feb 2010) they are offering a 5 day trip for about 590 Euro via Dandong which seems to be quite affordable compared to all the other travel agencies. -Zack
Explore North Korea Tour Group's prices also struck me as odd and I am reluctant to try them without some further references. Nonni
i travelled with "explore north korea tour group" in march 2010, so i can say, they have a really good "price-value". for ppl who want to travel nk on low cost, i wouldnt hesitate to recommend this company. i stayed in contact before and after the trip with a woman called "sabrina" by email and skype, so the communication was more than ok. i would include them again in the list of travel agancies without any doubt. if you have any questions, please dont hesitate to contact me. zzzair [at] gmail dot com (zack)
I represent ENK (Full Name Blocked by Wikitravel) and our former IT person has been fired for spamming websites such as Wikitravel. Our agency is extremely sorry for this incident. Please inform me of how we can accordingly correct these mistakes. —The preceding comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
Ryan - We were unaware of the former employee's online presence until our marketing team spotted the blacklist on Wikitravel. If there is any way that you would be able to reinstate our listing only on the 'Tours' section of North Korea, that would be wonderful, as that is the only place that I see an appropriate link to our website. We currently offer highly competitive rates for this rather special section of the travel industry and Wikitravel has been a vital part of receiving traffic to our website. As you can imagine, our jobs are becoming increasingly difficult because of the low season combined with the political situation on the Koren Peninsula. I cannot put enough emphasis on our sincere apology to the Wikitravel community, which I hope will be accepted with this appeal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs)
This is the general computer for our agency's Dandong office. Yesterday afternoon one of our marketing personell logged onto Wikitravel to see where our name was. You may also want to note that our Dandong office has made numerous edits on Wikitravel, coming from the Chinese IT person, of whom has also been relieved of duties, as well. The marketing personell used a bit.ly domain name, as they diagnosed it was a problem, but did not see that we had been blacklisted until moments later. Please give us just one more chance. If anyone in our agency adds a link to our website or mentions our name in an inappropriate place of the website, please feel free to blacklist us once again. Please give us one more chance to make things right. At this moment, I see the only place that our link is necessary is in the 'Tours' section of North Korea. --184.108.40.206 22:19, 30 January 2011 (EST)
Hi, I recently travelled with "explore north korea tour group" and everything couldn't have been better. When I attempted to add them to wikitravel I found it was blocked. After reading through this I understand there have been some previous problems, however having met the operator I'm inclined to give her version of events the benefit of the doubt. Given not having your business listed on wikitravel hurts one's bottom line and their understanding that the China anything-goes approach to marketing doesn't fly on the wider online world I'd be inclined to allow them to list. At the end of the day the consumers are missing out on a cheap and reliable service so nobody wins. ---R jay 16:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
This article doesn't say anything about hotel facilities, toilet facilities or food safety. That is to my mind vital info for staying healthy in such a poorly developed country.
Brutal Regime? That is just one sided. Also, it is important to recognize that it was approved by US and UK. History is not based on "We don't care idea"
I am deleting the brutal regime because that is just one sided and Wikipedia is not about putting your personal feeling. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
I have to disagree Texugo. The way you are expressing your opinion is very one sided. Have you ever heard of Hong Sa-ik? O Song-fa? Please do some research before adding information like this. If so, we must put that the Caucasian people have "BRUTALLY MASSACRED" the Aboriginal people in North and South America. We must write how the Native lands were "STOLEN" and the Caucasian race have killed Millions who tried to resist. The way this article is presented is very unprofessional and will give negative feelings towards Japan. Where is your source? I am very disappointed with Wikitravel and Wikipedia because seems like it is exploited with racist and biased people like yourself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs)
Young pioneer tours
We have a nascent edit war about whether some travelers consider this agency unreliable. I have no opinion about this, but an anonymous poster deleted the remark, calling it "invalid," a word with an unclear meaning (does that mean "inaccurate" or just somehow something s/he thinks shouldn't be said?) and then "unsorced[sic] comment of opinion," which is not a violation of Wikitravel policies, as no citations need to be given. However, one should be fair. So I open this up to all of you: Is it accurate to say that some travelers feel this tour is unreliable, to your knowledge, or is it inaccurate? Ikan Kekek 12:47, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
these warnings can apply to the usa as well
ive noticed this page has turned into a huge warning to people. i wish they would issue the same warnings for the usa. unfortunately, people fall into the usa fascist trap every day. for some reason, wikitravel warns about how the north korean govt monitors internet activity, but the usa also does this, and probably does so alot more efficiently as the cia has a black budget, and the usa not only monitors activity within the usa, but throughout the world. this is the first time ive seen someone compare 1984 to north korea, because people usually compare this to britain and the usa. isnt britain the country with the most cctv? how come no warning on the british travel page? as far as being careful with what you say, id like to see how fast you get tased to the ground if you said that bin laden was cool at an american airport. i like how they conveniently left out the part about the south korean govt not allowing its own citizens to visit the north. i guess this could be because south korea is a compliant, submissive pupet state of the u.s.. this page, like most other english websites is filled with biased propaganda.
Removed Some Irrelevant Text
I removed the following from the "Get in" section, because it doesn't seem relevant: "There are those who have called for a boycott on tourism to North Korea, due to human rights abuses in the country or how tourism may help finance the government. There is no official free enterprise activity in North Korea, and all tourist facilities are state-owned so the money goes directly to the government of North Korea. Others cite the possible benefits of Westerners engaging with North Korean citizens, particularly in a positive, friendly manner (i.e., contrary to the stereotypes of Westerners presented by internal propaganda); in practice, however, it is nearly impossible for a visitor to North Korea to have a spontaneous encounter of any kind with a citizen, as most activities of tourists are carefully planned and closely monitored. But regardless of political beliefs, North Korea is generally acknowledged to be a unique place to visit. Travellers must make up their own mind about the rights and wrongs of visiting this country.
Keep in mind that tourism in North Korea is not in a state comparable to any other country in the world. "
And I removed this "note" from the information bar: "Note: autonomous religious activities now almost nonexistent; government-sponsored religious groups exist to provide illusion of religious freedom
ChubbyWimbus 01:37, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
Chatterbox-tourists may end up in labour camps?
Under no circumstances whatsoever are you to say something that could be perceived as an insult to Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-Il, Kim Jong-Un, Juche, or the North Korean people or government. You -- are likely to face serious trouble, -- you are likely to be sentenced to a stay in a local prison or labour camp, deported, and banned from re-entering.
Apparently is it an obvious fact that you can't openly criticise the NK government and leaders, or locals' overrespect towards them, but which foreign tourist has actually been jailed or sent to a labour camp because of that? I mean this sounds as pretty a wierd claim if you take into account that tourists are a desired source of income there. Also, I've removed "torture in the gulags", since the word 'gulag' is used wrongly in this case (it stands for the department which administered the camps in Soviet Union). - 22.214.171.124 11:56, 17 December 2011 (EST)
These warnings are very important. It's a very dangerous country if you don't STRICTLY FOLLOW ALL THE RULES. If you follow you'll be fine. If not, good luck because if you made something serious (AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS not ours) then we probably won't hear from you ever again.
Yes, Forced Labor Camps in the DPRK have the same brutality as the Gulags, NONE
Listings of tour operators that do not have up-to-date websites and do not provide other evidence that they are currently operating will be deleted. --118dot93dot73dot30 13:30, 26 February 2013 (EST)
Improper Notification on Page
The notification that the US and Canada do not want people to travel to North Korea does not belong on a website intended for international use. It should be removed or modified so that it only appears for IP addresses from the US. 126.96.36.199 04:26, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
You are totally right: Wikitravel is intended to be universal. The whole Wikitravel, which encompasses this version in English, and the Russian one, and the Spanish one, and Chinese etc. That's why it is said "the US/Canadian staff informs you you shouldn't go there", instead of "You shouldn't go there."I mean, it's, as a matter of fact, the truth. You acknowledge it, whatever the country you are coming from, and then you decide or not to go there. And next time, for another country, you may read "French and British ministers say it's dangerous", and it would be exactly the same. There is no "US point of view" here. Hope this helped, otherwise, feel free to ask. PierrB (talk) 10:42, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
North Korea really is totally not a tourist destination.
I really don't get it as to why anyone would even want to visit North Korea. A vacation in North Korea is like a vacation in a dirty, bug-infested supermaximum security prison. There is totally no freedom to explore and mingle; all tourism is controlled by a guided tour that is essentially an exact carbon copy of prison transport. Accomodations in North Korea are, I am very sure, extremely terrible, even to the point of making the most run-down, slummy, ghettoey motels in America look like a palace in comparison, and complaining about the bad quality water, mold, cockroaches/bugs, electricity turned off at a certain hour of the night, leaving you in total darkness, and such would easily get you locked up in one of those really horrible and really filthy gulags; anyone who has read the book "Escape from Camp 14" I am sure has seen descriptions of people in those gulags eating diseased live rats, picking and eating pieces of corn out of stinky, yuckey feces, dirty filthy water, no showers, extreme starvation, lack of sleep for days on end, and so much more. Not to mention having to bow to portraits, statues, and idols of the two horrible tyrants that made North Korea truthfully more prison than country. Alpha1 (talk) 21:45, 30 August 2015 (EDT)