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I'm not quite sure how to interpret the districts here, but we could loosely use the boundaries from http://www.visitnsw.com.au/

Unfortunately that doesn't quite work for Central Tablelands (New South Wales) because Dubbo (and Lithgow) aren't usually considered part of it. However there's really no other places to put them. -- Hypatia 11:51, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Having thought it over, I'm going to move Central Tablelands to Central West (which is a more usual name among the inhabitants, although visitnsw calls it "Central NSW"). -- Hypatia 11:53, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Nine cities[edit]

Current criteria[edit]

Wikitravel:Geographical hierarchy#Dividing_geographical_units notes that we should list 7±2 things under headings like "Cities". So, we have 9 cities listed, here are the reasons why:

Discussion[edit]

Please discuss changes to the "Cities" listing here. Hypatia 22:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

At the moment, the cities aren't a good regional spread. Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong all occupy the middle bit of the coast. Aside from those three (which I think are unavoidable definites), we have Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie and Tweed Heads which are all on the north coast, and Albury-Wodonga and Wagga Wagga both in the south central/west Riverina area. Hypatia 22:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Queanbeyan[edit]

Can someone who knows NSW find a home in one of the regions for Queanbeyan? --Evan 09:23, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Regions[edit]

There seems to be confusion as to whether the far north coast (Byron and surrounds) area fits under Northern Rivers or North Coast. Thoughts? Merge? Ronaldo123 19:00, 24 February 2009 (EST)

The Northern Rivers covers an area from the Queensland border, south at least as far as Grafton. By any definition the Northern Rivers has to include Byron. The North Coast could easily be considered anything north of the Hunter, all the way to the border, so there is definately going to be some overlap there. North Coast makes for a very large region, from Taree to the Tweed. However, leaving the North Coast and Northern Rivers as two separate regions is always going to cause confusion. If even locals don't know where the regions start and end, what chance travellers? --Inas 19:55, 24 February 2009 (EST)
I've reviewed the articles, and it is obvious that the intention was to make the regions up the coast from Sydney, be Central Coast, Hunter Valley, North Coast and then Northern Rivers. I've adjusted this article content accordingly. Doesn't mean we can't still make it better, but for now, it at least reads okay. --Inas 00:09, 25 February 2009 (EST)
I've drawn a quick region map, which does more to highlight the problems with the current regions, then it does to actually clarify anything. There are a couple of areas of the state definately not covered by any region. The regions close into city are so small, especially Southern Highlands, Central Coast, Blue mountains, that they are hard to show. I think the only way that this is going to work, is to do regions around Sydney, and the remainder of the state.  :::The regions around Sydney would be
  • Central Coast
  • Illawarra
  • Blue Mountains
  • Southern Highlands
  • Sydney city
This makes sense to me and this could be a close up map, showing a few of the destinations and routes.
Then we have the regional regiona
  • Far West
  • Central Wwest
  • Riverina
  • New England
  • Northern Rivers
  • North Coast
  • South Coast (incorporate Shoalhaven into this, which is really just Jarvis and Nowra)
  • Snowy
We need to add a region for Albury, and add a region for Goulburn to Canberra & surrounds. --Inas 00:34, 27 February 2009 (EST)
Good to see the map. Back to the Byron related question, wouldn't most just consider the North Coast to be everything north of the Hunter, and within itself possibly halved into Mid North Coast and Northern Rivers? Also agreed South Coast should incorporate Shoalhaven area (perhaps as a subregion if it needs to). Along the lines of the BoM [1] the Albury-Goulburn could simply be called South West (New South Wales) which incorporates the more formal 'Southern Tablelands' and 'South West Slopes' Ronaldo123 07:34, 27 February 2009 (EST)
I agree, what is called North Coast, is really the mid-north coast. I wouldn't like to see another level in the hierarchy though - really. It is probably a bit misleading to have it labelled the North Coast (but I've seen worse). Do you think we should rename it? I agree with South West, incorporating Goulburn to Albury, excluding the Snowy. --Inas 22:20, 27 February 2009 (EST)
I think that the North Coast should be named the Mid North Coast (as is in the BOM site and others) [2]. The Northern Rivers area usually extends to south of Grafton in most regional maps. The South West sounds fine for incorporating Goulburn to Albury. Cgoodwin 23:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Okay, North Coast will be renamed, and South West New South Wales will be created, according to the consensus above, in the next week or so. If anybody has any better suggestions, would be good make them now. I won't rename Northern Rivers for now. Nothing stopping us doing more updates later, if better divisions raise. --Inas 00:23, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
North Coast is now Mid-North Coast. --Inas 22:31, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Canberra[edit]

The Canberra article indicates that it is located in this region, but this article seems to avoid mention of it in the Regions and Cities sections, and on the map. Shouldn't the Australian Capital Territory be a subregion of New South Wales (irrespective of the political distinction)? LtPowers 19:18, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Yes. Jpatokal 07:28, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
I agree it sounds good, but I don't think it will ever work. It's like making Washington D.C. part of a Virginia region. From a visitors point of view it might make sense, but everyone who ever looks at it is just going to think it is a mistake, because the ACT isn't part of New South Wales, like Washington D.C. isn't part of Virginia. If we every did this we would need to rename the region New South Wales and the ACT. --Inas 20:49, 23 November 2011 (EST)
D.C. is coterminous with the city of Washington, so it's not directly comparable. Assuming, though, the federal district was about the size of a county, however, I would absolutely make it a subregion of Maryland. LtPowers 10:39, 24 November 2011 (EST)

Region Map[edit]

I've updated the region map to get rid of the holes, and make it correspond to the prose.

I kinda like this slow evolution of regions --Inas 20:43, 23 November 2011 (EST)

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