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Article Division and Downsize[edit]

As per Hypatia's observations of a year ago, it is - IMHO - time to start revising the main article, dividing and devolving the Melbourne article into its various relevant districts... For a big city, it is amazing that it has survived so long in this form (mind you, Chicago seems to exhibit the same phenomenon).... The See section of the main article, for example, has grown quite large and unwieldy - definitely time to identify the highlights of Melbourne's attractions, summarise them, and send the detail to the district pages. Being a native Sydneysider, I don't want to presume too much regarding the city's regions, so maybe several Melburnians can get the ball rolling? Paul James Cowie 03:10, 13 Nov 2005 (EST)

So, I just ignored my better judgement and - Sydney-Melbourne rivalry notwithstanding (!) - I've just included a proposed division of Melbourne into districts, as based on the official tourism web site's take on the matter..... Let's see if we can now start devolving some of the content from the main article out into the districts.... Paul James Cowie 04:05, 13 Nov 2005 (EST)
Nearly a year later... I've started to move some of the content out. Someone will need to keep an eye on things: it's really hard to persuade people to district-ize things!
Since I've just come back from there, I feel inspired to help with some district-izing. Slleong 09:44, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

External Wikis[edit]

Hi, I run the wiki Melpedia. Once the site is a bit more polished is their a possibility of adding to the main article? Perhaps under a learn more area? 203.217.28.179 00:06, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Wrong food showing[edit]

I'm not a wiki user. The picture of chinese new year food used on this page is salmon yu sheng, which is a dish developed and used in Singapore. It's not a dish that's common elsewhere for chinese new year (although this may change over time).

I am a Hong Kong Chinese that has family in Mainland China. This is not a common Chinese New Year salad. Chinese don't usually eat raw vegetables due to a variety of different superstitions and traditions. Raw fish is also not consumed, but is much more common in Japan and other parts of south east Asia.

In part, this can be tied to the belief that well cooked and presented food is more civilized & cultured. Much in the same way that chopsticks are preferred over knives and forks at the dinner table.

Not relevant[edit]

Hi. As a longtime Melbourne resident, I don't believe the below 'advertisement' is necessary or useful and have cut it. Also, Grey St is a well known street for prostitutes and I don't think it's in wikitravel's best interests to direct people there. Thanks --MarinaK 17:16, 15 July 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

The cheapest car rentals are from places like Rentabomb [1] but use may be restricted to the Melbourne metropolitan area. Rentacar in St Kilda, 11 Grey Street. St Kilda offers fantastically cheap rates in a family run environment. Rob the owner offers a great insight into Melbourne life and will happily offer great advice on where to go in the city, but ignore his unusual gambling strategies. Rob has a few cars scattered around his office sometimes with a brick on the back seat, but his rates reflect this. Far cheaper than rentabomb and he will also let you buy any of his cars for a decent price. But do think about petrol prices as many cars such as 4.0 litre ford falcon really do drink petrol, causing you to constantly watch the needle looking for the next petrol station.

Sleep listings in district articles[edit]

Hi. I moved the two sleep listings in the Melbourne overview article to the relevant district articles as the Melbourne article is more of a overview.--MarinaK 21:07, 15 July 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

Indian food section[edit]

"The standard of Indian food is vastly inferior to Britain's numerous curry houses. The meat is often off cuts and served on the bone. You can also eat beef curry in many places. The curry houses are very dated and appear to be left behind in comparison with most trendy Melbourne eateries." was removed by me for the following reasons: Indian food in Melbourne should be compared to Indian food in India, not Britain. Meat is often 'off cuts and served on the bone' in India. This does not make it 'vastly inferior', but rather uses cuts of meat appropriate to the style of cooking. The decor is often not 'trendy', but I don't believe this is a useful generalisation for the traveller. Specific reviews can mention the decor, if the reviewer feels it important.

Perhaps a more qualified person could comment on the styles of Indian food available in Melbourne. I believe it is more North Indian/Punjabi, but comment from an Indian who has been to Melbourne would be beneficial. 202.131.123.66 15:20, 9 August 2008 (EDT)Rohan (Melbournian in India)

Drink[edit][add listing]

The 2 am lock out has been abolished, please edit the article accordingly.

Its a wiki. Feel free to click the edit button, and enter the best information on the subject that you have. If you need any assistnace, please feel free to ask --Inas 17:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Useable[edit]

Ok I am looking through all these districts-and with the exception of 3-4 of 'em, they're all useable, but yet, you guys are keepin' it as a outline status. This is not good. No it ain't no guide or anything, and some of them barely have useable status and some you may want to add information but still. It is filled pretty ok, and there are some good listings, just, most of them are a far way from guide. Thanks.Keepsmiling, Edmontonenthusiast 19:14, 3 November 2008 (EST).

Nightlife / Drink[edit]

I have to say, after checking this article for a couple of times, it gets me upset every time. Especially the Nightlife section is useless. What's the point of writing in that there are hidden bars everywhere when you dont put up a bar to start off from or even better a couple of 'em. except for that it's really not that hard in melbourne, try a city like berlin that's way harder and there's still describtions of bars and clubs in there.

seriously people, put a little bit of effort into this one.

cheers --114.78.166.146 22:17, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

When you see room for improvement, don't just say something, please Wikitravel:Plunge forward and improve it yourself! --Peter Talk 12:25, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

Districts[edit]

Melbourne is most certainly a huge city, so I will attempt to divide the city into proper districts, moving information to its respective district. There appears to have been some kind of effort already, but it could be improved on. The following is what I propose:

  • Central
  • Parkville/Carlton
  • St Kilda
  • South Yarra/Prahran/Toorak
  • Inner east (Fitzroy, Richmond, Collingwood, etc)
  • South Melbourne (Albert Park, etc)
  • Flemington (Ascot Vale, Kensington, etc)

Then, we move onto the suburbs:

  • East (Kew, Doncaster, Box Hill, Ringwood, etc)
  • North (Brunswick, Preston, Coburg, Tullamarine, etc)
  • West (Williamstown, Yarraville, Sunshine, Werribee, Melton, etc)
  • South-east (Brighton, Chadstone, Narre Warren, Cranbourne, Frankston, etc)

It is possible we could include these 2 districts within Melbourne:

  • Mornington Peninsula (anything south of Frankston)
  • The Dandenongs (anything east of Rowville)

So, it's only off the top of my head, but it's a basis. Any thoughts? If no one has anything to say, I might just plunge forward and do it myself. JamesA >talk 05:18, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

I'd put a notice on the page saying districting is in progress, and give it a couple of weeks, as some people may not visit that regularly. After than, I'd say go ahead. --Inas 20:49, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
Thanks for the tip. I've added the notice, and we'll see if anyone else wishes to contribute. My mapmaking skills are a disaster, so hopefully someone knows how to make a decent map around here. JamesA >talk 04:18, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
  • Looks good JamesA - my suggestions are:
    • don't make the Mornington a subset of Melbourne. It should be a subdistrict of Victoria as it is a destination in its own right. The Dandenongs are arguable either way, so I'm not fussed.
    • I question whether Flemington needs its own article.
    • Does South Bank need its own article, separate to the city? It has enough destinations in its own right and is distinguishable even from "South Melbourne"
    • "Parkville/Carlton" might be better named "Inner North". JRG 09:13, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
Thanks for the comments, JRG. Great to have some feedback! I'd agree with Flemington not requiring its own article, but where does it belong? West Suburbs, North Suburbs, Inner north, Central? And Inner North is a much better name, and then we can chuck in North Melbourne. The Toorak area also needs its own name. I'm tempted to say "Wealthy inner suburbs", but that would be biased. :P Possibly "Stonnington", and expand it to include Malvern?
I was a little unsure of the Mornington Peninsula. Official sources say that coastal region down from Frankston to Portsea is part of the metropolitan area. But I wouldn't include places on the other side like Flinders and Hastings in Melbourne. A region of Victoria would probably be best.
As for Southbank, I feel that putting it on its own may not get it enough info. I know locally, it's regarded as a world of its own. But going by the Melbourne/Central article, there's not too much to say about Southbank. I guess if we listed many of the restaurants on the waterfront, got some shops from Crown and added attractions like the river tours and Eureka Skydeck, it could all add up. I'm happy to let it have its own district, and if it doesn't work, it can be merged later.
One last thing: should the large Suburbs articles be further divided into suburbs/councils? Eastern Suburbs is going to add up to be one huge article that isn't much use to the traveller, when it's talking about places that are dozens of kilometres apart. I think dividing them into their councils and moving articles like Melbourne/Werribee to Melbourne/Wyndham (including other places like the RAAF base at Point Cook) would work better. Okay, that's all I have to say. :) JamesA >talk 09:57, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
Something super easy would be to define the inner city into local government areas, following this map here: http://chartingtransport.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/melbourne-lga-regions1.png So you'd have:
  • Melbourne
  • Yarra
  • Port Phillip
for the 'centre section'
then Darebin, Stonnington, Moreland, etc. for the inner suburbs, and then a few more broader articles to cover the suburbs further out.
To be honest, I think we should have Melbourne, Yarra, and Port Phillip, and then group the other LGAs, because I don't think many tourists are going to find that much in Ascot Vale or Reservoir. 60.240.136.168 05:34, 2 July 2014 (EDT)

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