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[edit] Lombok Accommodation

It is unfair to have ANY accommodation listed on the main Lombok page. Either the "sleep" section should include all sleep accommodations or none. Senggigi/Mansit is a big enough area to include The Oberoi Lombok, and * Hotel Tugu Lombok and The Anandita. As the Kuta area expands with the new airport, all of the tourist locations must be changed to something like:"Greater Kuta" "Seketong", "Greater Senggigi", etc. Therefore, I put the Oberoi, et. al. into the Senggigi subsection.

Fine, we just need to make sure the article scope is defined accordingly. A map would be nice... Jpatokal 22:06, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

It doesn't make sense to repeat all of the other sections such as "Getting There", etc. are repeated in each sub-area of Lombok. BenJohnson

Every article on Wikitravel has the same standard sections, and "Get in" needs to cover how you would get there from nearby places. So the basic idea is that Lombok tells you how to get to the island (plane, ferry, etc), and then Senggigi tells you how to get to Senggigi from the airport, port, etc. Jpatokal 22:06, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Add a link

I would like to add a link to "Lombok by Bicycle 2004", http://users.chariot.net.au/~gloria/indonesia.htm

but I don't yet know how ! Any advice for a new user ?

If it's an event, go ahead and add it under "Do" -- be sure to include all the needed information here, not just the link! Check out Wikitravel:External links and Wikitravel:Where you can stick it for more! Hope this helps, Majnoona 02:13, 18 June 2006 (EDT)

Thanks Maj ..I think I have added the link OK ..not sure how to make Automatic sig for this post however :( ../ Textbot 2006.jun 18

Use ~~~~ to sign your comments. Maj, explained this on your talk page for future reference. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:32, 18 June 2006 (EDT)

--- tks Sapphire ..here goes >> Textbot 02:41, 18 June 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Ghost hotel

No point listing places that are closed... Jpatokal 00:12, 25 November 2007 (EST)

• Nusa Bunga, Klui, Central Lombok, tel: +62 0370 693035 fax: +62 370 693036 web: www.nusabunga.com . Very friendly staff and superb photo gallery on the website. As described in Lonely Planet: "A well-run place, is one of the better ones. It has a splendid, idyllic beachfront position, a pool and thatched bungalows in a pretty garden". The hotel is located 4 kilometers north of Senggigi. Rates:US$35-45/night including generous breakfast.

Still closed but has a new owner and is currently under renovation (oct 2009)

[edit] Dead link

The link for cycling in Lombok returns a permission denied when I click on it. Has the status changed since the add?

[edit] Good work on the Lombok articles

Some excellent work on the main Lombok article and Senggigi in the past 24 hours. This has been done by an anonymous user on roaming Speedy IP 125.167.150.126. Whoever you are, would be good if you registered here as this same IP is being used by others also. Really good work and please keep it up! --Burmesedays 21:46, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Structure of the Lombok Articles

(moved from Talk:Senggigi)

[edit] Structural proposal from Felix505 for this article and others in Lombok

Felix, you are dead right with your understanding of official administrative divisions. I don't see how that is appropriate for a travel guide though? And it would massively over-complicate I think. Do you think you could write fully developed articles for each of those 30 odd locations you mention, plus the 4 regional guides for each of 4 regions you propose, bearing in mind the comments about what goes where and repetition etc on your talk page? I think the current structure of Lombok as a region and then each destination as simply that, is more advisable. By all means add more destinations, but when doing so bear in mind that:

• each destination must be able to support a fully developed article with See, Do, Sleep, Eat etc
• no repetition of background information already in higher level articles
• aside from Senggigi, Mount Rinjani and Gili Islands, the existing Lombok articles for well known destinations are still under-developed and short of even the usable bar.

Once again, I must thank you for all your efforts and please keep it up. --Burmesedays 23:11, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

Agree with Burmesedays. Felix555, just to underline the point, on Wikitravel we don't really give a shit about administrative divisions; what matters is what makes sense for the traveler, and I think the four-way split you propose for South, Central-Eastern, Northern and Western is quite sensible. Jpatokal 01:16, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Those regional divisions do make sense but I think 4 regional articles would be very tough to do in this case. I am struggling to see how Lombok would support four different sub-regions. IMHO, there is not nor will there be enough destination collateral, hence my thought that Lombok direct -> destinations would be far more manageable.--Burmesedays 01:40, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

In response to -Burmesedays-

Good heavens I am not for a moment suggesting all those places have a page, that would be ridiculous at this time an without doubt for some time yet into the distant future.Can't agree more with what you say here Burmesedays:

• each destination must be able to support a fully developed article with See, Do, Sleep, Eat etc
• no repetition of background information already in higher level articles
• aside from Senggigi, Mount Rinjani and Gili Islands, the existing Lombok articles for well known destinations are still under-developed and short of even the usable bar.

On your third point it might be time to give consideration to a further region. Maybe Tangung needs to be carved off and work started on building a page with a separate emphasis suiting that different region.

The Tangung 'area' that includes Sira, Medana, Tangung and possibly Pemenang and Bangsal do currently fulfil the minimum requirements I think and doing a page for them would alleviate the absurdity of previous information that tended to generalise that area as some sort of northern end of Senggigi, which it most certainly is not. Certainly you can eat/drink/sleep/see/do/buy etc in the Tanjung area and it has some pretty outstanding nearby attractions to which that area is very central ie Rinjani/Sanuru/Bayan and north east coast/Gilli's/Monkey forest and the Gorge on the way through to Ampenan and has the added attraction of a significant resort hotel, a golf course and a new boat marina.

I think it would be a mischief to tag it on to Renjani as Tanjung was not looking much like an active volcano the last time I was there and I hope it stays that way. Likewise it is not Gilli Islands although Gilli is most certainly a destination to go to from Tangung.

Bangsal is gateway to Gilli's and Pemenang has a market and many other services in addition to being the connecting point to the road to Ampenan with the Monkey forest and Gorge on the way. Further to that the new road connecting Malimbu to the Pemenang-Ampenan road is going to offer an alternative scenic route forming a small triangle with an appex at Pemenang. So hence my detail on possible regions of Lombok for future partitioning with particular emphasis on the west coast as it is currently the main destination..

I think it is important to understand there are at least 4 regions (some might even say 5) of Lombok. Further to this administration divisions DO effect tourists at least indirectly.

In response to -Jpatoka-:

In no way do I suggest rigidly following Lombok's administrative zones and I am not putting them forward as a current template for a Wikipages coverage. I put all that info in there merely to give clarity to the regions and sub-districts of Lombok and how they might develop in the future.

One of the main things that motivated me to descend upon the Lombok and Senggigi pages was the geographic confusions in describing Senggigi within the greater west coast context.

If Emaar does really go ahead the south needs to be put on the map and it is a popular destination in it's own right already.

When the airport goes into service things are going to need some serious attention and it may be prudent to have some forward thinking happening concerning defining the regions in advance of the airport happening.

So how about this as a 'current' starting point, starting in the north and working down with the those indicated in bold as 'pages' and those indicated in CAPS as being 'region pages':

• LOMBOK NTB'>

• NORTHERN LOMBOK>
• Renjani and inc (Renjani, Sanura, Gilli Lawang, Gilli Sulat,, Bayan, ObelObel,)

• WEST LOMBOK>
• Tangung inc. (Tangung, Medana, Sire, Pemanang, Bagsal, Hu/ton Monyet/Malimbu)
• Gilli Islands inc. ( Gilli T, Gilli M Gilli A}
• Senggigi inc.(Mangsit , Senggigi, Batu Bolong, Batu Layar,) - (maybe also Kelui/Setangi but I am at a loss as to how)
• Mataram inc ( Mataram, Ampenan, Cakranegara, Sweta, Nermada)

• CENTRAL AND EAST LOMBOK>
• Praya inc. (Selong, Kayangan, Gilli Pentangan, Gilli Pasaran, Gilli Lampu)

• SOUTH LOMBOK>
• Kuta inc., ( Kuta, Tangung Aan, Sekotong, Gilli Gede, Southern Beaches)
• (+ possibly next year - Bandara Udara Internasional Lombok Baru)

The bali page seems to provide a pretty good template for moving forward and as they say in Lombok..."better than nothing". I think Wikitravel "Bali" is a most valuable template and the map/region system has good utility and is easy on the eye. Lombok could certainly use a map in any case or at least a good public domain sat photo with a regional overlay showing significant points. ie Mataram, senggigi, new airport location and similar. A sat photo may be appealing due to the rather interesting 'look' of Rinjani but the block colour a graphic approach is going to be easier on the eye.felix

[edit] content for region pages (current limitations)

Sorry -Burmesedays- I did of course see your comments on issues of lack of suitable content for 4 region pages. I am just trying to get some sense into the region structure as a starting point. I think one of my main points here at is the need to consider doing a Tangung page in the immediate future as this situation of Senggigi being used as a generic term for the west coast needs to be fixed and Tangung/Pemenang area really does deserve it's own identity. Later maybe the south has to be looked at with some urgency due to the airport looming up. //Felix-

no doubt in my mind that Tanjung needs its own article. As for the regional structure, why not just plunge ahead and then everyone can review later? When you start a page, you will find the relevant templates here (Tanjung would be the small city template for example. Good luck! Also Felix,. it would be good if you signed your name with a timestamp after each comment on a talk page. The button to do this is on the toolbar to the left of the large dash (or you can manually type 2 dashes and 3 tildes: --~~~~ --Burmesedays 05:21, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Thanks again for the useful advice and tips. felix 11:49, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

BTY I think the multiple spontaneous user log-outs may have been a cookie corruption issue as I have at times had to just give up on trying to remain logged in due to the need to keep on re-authenticating. I have done a deep cleanse of all caches, cookies and SOL's and I hope that problem has now gone.felix 01:58, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Implement the Lombok regional structure

As per Felix505's suggestion let's try a regional structure as follows:

• North Lombok
• West Lombok
• Central and East Lombok
• South Lombok

I will put this into place today but have other Wikitravel priorities at the moment, so others will need to assign the destinations to each region and write the articles. Best of luck. --Burmesedays 22:58, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

the basics of this are now in place. --Burmesedays 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Nice work -Burmesedays-. In putting that up and clarifying a starting point we now have at least a structure to move forward with. As time permits I will try and write up some preliminary content for at least the Tangung area. Anything north of Tangung-Godang should be included in the Northern Region along with Rinjani as should anything lying inland as that quickly rises to the slopes of Gunung Rinjani.

My view is that we also need to define a southern limit for Tangung. I suggest the southern limit should certainly be no further south than Pandanan (a to the little north of Nipah/Malimbu). Maybe though it should just stop at Bangsal/Pemenang.

The Tangung part of the coast is also defined by a topographic change from the alluvial flood plains of the area around Pemenang to the quite different terrain and topography of the many bays and prominent headlands that continues along the coast to the south at Batu Layar/Montong where things start to flatten out again to the south west of Gunung Sari. This of course is a topographical effect of Gunung Tampole and Gunung Punikan and of course Rinjani itself.

This West Region could then include Huton Monyet (monkey forest, the Pemenang-Ampenan scenic george and winding mountain road and the new road linking across to Malimbu and the west coast road as attractions "to see" on Senggigi page, Tangung page and Mataram page hence linking their individual identities with both a geographic link as well as the transportation routes linking them together. User:Felix505|felix]] 01:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Felix, when replying in a discussion, it is much clearer if you use the colon convention to indent the reply (please see your replies above which I have edited). Then it is much easier to see at a quick glance who is replying to what. Thanks. --Burmesedays 02:07, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

OK got that on the indentfelix 10:15, 13 October 2009 (EDT)