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"Europe's gambling centre" - says who? yes, there are two big casinos, but since when does that make any city a "gambling centre" - where's the source of that?
OK, let's be honest: a list of related readings containing 30 books with synopses is a bit too long for a humble travel guide, isn't it? Rmx 18:19, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)
Corrected the info regarding the 7 Colinas bus/subway ticket. It might need some english/pricing corrections. cael 15:24, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
Some useful links were placed on the article but we don't use this section any more. Please feel free to re-insert them in the article's text where relevant or keep them on this page.
-- Ricardo (Rmx) 08:20, 5 April 2006 (EDT)
Today an anonymous user changed the article status from outline to guide. The Lisbon article is far from being considered a complete guide. I thought about rating it as usable instead, but even the sleep and eat sections are still far from complete, so I guess we will have to stick to outline status for a while. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 16:21, 20 November 2006 (EST)
Do a little Geography homework?
Changed the parenthetical under "Stay Safe" that decided Algarve was the far northern coast of Portugal and the hub for Moroccan hash importing. Algarve is to the south. I don't personally know about the hash import/export business, so I won't say anything else about where pot comes or goes out of the country.
Come on, stop with that crazy idea of subtropical climate. Lisbon is a bit northwards than Athens, San Francisco, or Toquio. It's on a higher latitude (farther away from the tropics) than Melbourne, Santiago del Chile or Buenos Aires. It is indeed warm in the summer. True that it only falls snow on extreme rare occasions - it never snows in San Francisco either -but it's not warm all year round. The summer can be hot, but it's often cooler than in central Europe due to the Atlantic winds.
Do you want Gulf Stream? Go to Florida, the Carolinas, Virginia.
Should probably have some warning on driving here. The city is the absolute worst I've been through in Iberia. The roads are much wider though than Sevilla, and the drivers not nearly as aggresive, but lane markings are missing, traffic lights are non-exising in for instance Belem, trams drive on the regular road, signs with directions are often wrong and usually missing, parking is ridicolous expensive, and it is pracically impossible to get to Lisbon without using a toll-road. Stay away from Lisbon if you are driving through Portugal or Iberia in general. 126.96.36.199 05:41, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
As you can see in the work from Gergely Hideg & Robert Manchin (EUICS Consortium) Environment and Safety in European Capitals, Lisbon is one of the capitals in Europe which has less crime. I find the terms used in this section exaggerated. Although I am not editing the article on account of not being registered on the site, I would advise someone to do it. —The preceding comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
A little cleaning and plunging.
I am working on getting something written the hotels that only have addresses. I am pulling for customer reviews from many hostel booking websites - not copy/paste but using them for real information about the place. I am really interested in Lisbon it has been on my wish list of places to go for a while so I though this would be a fun way to encourage myself to get there.
Also I am doing a bit of cleaning - making all the phone numbers uniform I am trying to use the +351 (21) xxx-xxx formate, because it is the one I see the most often on website. Trew 18:24, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Again cleaning. Was looking for information about Coimbra e Madrid and found a few reviews saying it has bed -bugs and is not clean. I am going to delete it because that doesn't sound like a place I want to send wikitravelers.Trew 14:30, 20 November 2008 (EST)
Fundação Arpad Szenes / Vieira da Silva
There is a listing for this in the see or do section. I am trying to find more information on it but am coming up short mostly because I can't read Portages. I think it is a festival or a museum but can't get farther than that. Can someone help fill in this. Thanks Trew 13:32, 16 October 2008 (EDT)Trew
I have search high and low for information about Restauradores, Praça dos Restauradores, 13, and have come up dry. I have found some things that at the location but nothing much about a hotel in that area. Does anyone know about this place or is it a phantom? Can it be deleted?Trew 14:19, 20 November 2008 (EST)
views from Santa Justa's Elevator
I removed this piece from description for "Santa Justa's Elevator", as it looks like an overstatement from my experience:
It offers some of the best views of the city.
Clearly any viewpoint can easily compete with it. Well, views are good but not any close to best. Maybe we can be more descriptive here to get a better understanding of what to expect? --DenisYurkin 14:56, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
shopping: streets and districts to recommend?
Currently we have a very small piece of advice on "where to go for shopping" :
From Praça do Comércio (aka Terreiro do Paço) to the Restauradores, the Baixa is the old shopping district in the city. It includes pedestrian Rua Augusta which has the most boring and mass-visitor tourist stores, and several European chain clothing stores like Zara, H&M, Campers.
I clearly won't recommend for those seeking anything special beyond ubiquitos mass-market chain stores to go to Baixa. But after a single several-days visit I can only recommend a Chiado for some independent shops and informal brands like Crumpler.
Can someone come up with more recommendations per shopping category? Independent fashion designers (mainstream and alternative)? More places for informal brands like Crumpler? Good selection of designer eyewear? Recommended shops for buying fado or other local music? Best places to shop for porcelain? --DenisYurkin 16:11, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
intro for Eat
I removed the following piece from #Eat:
Eating out is deliciously bewildering in Lisbon and with some of the best-value cafes and restaurants in Europe, it's a great way to sample a smorgasboard of Portugese treats.
What did this mean to say? My English is not perfect, however:
Overall, what is the main idea we want to give with this piece? --DenisYurkin 16:20, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
Just for information: on a separate page (Lisbon/Wikitravel:Removed listings) I saved listings that are legitimate an in line with policy, but removed for subjective reasons:
I saved them in that page for the case if I was wrong with my subjective conclusions, and they should be restored instead. --DenisYurkin 12:35, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
Santos (10 minutes from downtown)
Top 10 places to shop in the world
Is that serious?
Is there any (un)official rating of top 10 places to shop? I mean, does it seriously compete even in world brands like listed in that paragraph? (and I can't say it's very competitive in breadth of local brands and designers--which is another point of view on what's one of the top places to shop should boast) --DenisYurkin 17:49, 17 November 2009 (EST)
Vacation Rental Agencies?
A few days ago, the Vacation Rental section (under the name "Apartments") was available, but now it was removed. I have tried to create it, but says the info I want to add was blocked by the filter spam. I suppose this section would improve Lisbon article. It is not possible to add the section again? —The preceding comment was added by Ttl (talk • contribs)
Hello again, I would like to leave here some comments that show how good vacation rentals can be to the travellers. Please find them here: Bottom Line My Little Travel Bug TripAdvisor If you go inside TripAdvisor you can use the application "Compare and Save" and see how much travellers can save if they choose an apartment instead an Hotel.
Hello Ryan, Absolutely. I have been looking around and in our National Statistics Institute is possible to find a report about accommodation types that are more often used. Report It is in Portuguese, but on the 2nd page (bottom right) you can see a table that I am sure you will understand. You can see here that Touristic Apartments (Apartamentos Turísticos) are an imporant type of accommodation.
Hello again, Now I have something just about Lisbon: Turismo de Portugal. I would say that the first 2 pages are the most important. In page 1 you can see the number of nights and on the second page you can find the comparison (in percentage) between 2008 and 2009. On the other you will find share markets and 2008 values.
Hi jan, that is your way to see things. Based on the info provided by Turismo de Portugal, I can also see that between 2008 and 2009 there was a growth of 76% in the Apartments category! It is also important to mention that all the others categories (Hotels included, of course) had negative results. I am just trying to show that the importance of self-catering apartments is increasing fast! In 2009 we received around 10.000 guests. Of course this is low compared to hotels, but 10.000 is not a relevant number?
Hello jan, Absolutely obvious..you can interpret the info as you want and you prefer the non-positive side. Anyway, you position is more than clear regarding the Vacation Rental agencies. Maybe in the future we will be able to appear. 10.000 is the number of our company. There are more than 30 companies of this type here in Lisbon, but not enough it seems. Thanks anyway jan. I believe that you try to do a good work here.
Additional info regarding Lisbon: Taxi drivers charge a fixed rate of 1.60€ if you have luggage with you. They do not charge 1.20€ per piece. Hope this helps.
Hello Stefan, thank your sincere reply. I understand the explanation and I agree it makes no sense to transform wikitravel in a huge advertising brochure, but wouldn't be possible to list only agencies that follow certain criteria?
Our company, per example have a 24h emergency number mobile, an office in the city centre if somebody wants to talk with us and many other services. I honestly think that apartments are an excellent alternative to hotels. They are less expensive, you have more privacy and you can live like a local. Sure I do have interest saying this, but this is true! Thank you Stefan!
To Do: add
Students of the Portuguese language should visit the Bibliotech Nationale, short form URL: bn.pt (the Portuguese equivalent to the British Museum or Library of Congress). The BN is the largest collection of Portuguese literature in the world (a special note in particular for Brazilians). 184.108.40.206 13:30, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
I don't think there have actually been significant changes to the Lisbon Metro system between August 2012 and today. (I know that it was planned to have the Blue Line extension from Amadora Este to Reboleira railway station open by now, but that hasn't actually happened yet, has it? I know that "a major part of this engineering works have been achieved", but isn't the opening still postponed as they've run out of money in a similar fiasco to the Edinburgh tram route curtailment? Even if it is open, this is still no reason to remove the map entirely, in my opinion, since this putative extension is well outside the city centre area of most interest to most vsisitors.) If I am right in this opinion, then the second comment that was added to the map route map from June 2007 of "out of date!" was somewhat of an exaggeration.
While that edit may turn out to be sub-optimal, I need also to ask questions about the subsequent edit that removed the (helpful?) map entirely:
If your focus is the commercial interests of Internet Brands, then it's certainly less than helpful in selling advertising space to give the slightest clue that some of our pages may be a teensy-weensy bit out of date.
However, if like me, your focus is whatever assists travellers, then removing the map entirely does visitors to Lisbon a distinct disservice.
I have, therefore replaced the (perfectly adequate?) 7-years old map with the (very similar?) 2-year old map to the right. --220.127.116.11 20:29, 5 December 2014 (EST)