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Ormeno Bus Company[edit]

I recently took a trip with Ormeno from Arequipa to Puno based on this page's description of it as 'more reputable.' I think Ormeno should be removed from that list. On the way there, the main passenger door was hanging open throughout the trip and the bus was generally in a bad state. Then on the way back, I got to the bus station at 7:30pm to be told that my ticket, marked 8:00 pm, was no good as the last bus had left at 7:00 pm. I then had to argue to get my money back. The alternative bus I took (with Julsa) provided basically the same quality service at 40% lower cost, so I don't think Ormeno should be singled out as a good company. If other people have had different experiences, please post back and I'll leave the page as it is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.60.148.181 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for taking the time to explain the situation. Based on this account I'd suggest updating the page as you see fit. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:04, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Images[edit]

Well, if TUser really insists on his image with the sea lions, then at least it should be thumbed. Anyway, I'm really not yet convinced that we need a (lovely) picture of sea lions in the Lima article. As the Wikitravel:Image policy says, the use of images should be kept to a minimum. Furthermore, the image should give an impression of the place to the reader. The sea lion picture does not so, since it only shows sea lions the could be photographed on any other place, too. There is nothing to see about Lima or the Isla Palomino on this picture, and thus it is worthless for travel information, thought very nice to look at. -- Hansm 07:07, 2004 Sep 25 (EDT)

I think it's fine as a thumb. You can't actually find sea lions just anywhere. I've never seen on in Lausanne for instance. There might be some in Paris at the zoo, but I dunno.
So unless there's a more Lima-centric photo which is being displaced by this one I figure it's fine to keep. -- Mark 09:09, 25 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Hi, 65.10.69.63, good detail infos! Looks as if you have Wikipedia experience. I have unlinked the boobies and cormorants, since we don't link as much as WP does. See Wikitravel:Welcome, Wikipedians for details. -- Hansm 05:48, 2004 Sep 26 (EDT)

I think this article is very close about the things you'll find if you go to Lima. Clear advices and quick information about everthing. I think this article will be useful for anyone who can go to Lima. I was there :D Alhen 11:00, 16 March 2006 (EST)

I'm from Lima (From La Victoria, actually!) and the article is very accurate, except where it says that Lima is the second largest city in Peru after Callao. Don't know under which criteria, because if we talk demographics or extension there is no larger city in Peru (in fact, there are few as large in the world)

How did u get to the conclussion that In general Peru is a highly conservative country? Im peruvian (from Jesus Maria) I think were not so conservative. =/ mmmmm.... if u have something to sya let me know in [1] Skippan Tu/ 5 /2007

The "Sleep" section has some atrocious advertisements, which are not very objective. The worst seems to be the "Red Psycho" or whatever it is called, which was obviously done by the owner or an employee. Some of the others need work as well, preferably by someone who has been there and will not just write an advertisement. Amssports06 12:54, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Vandalism/sabotaging on the Lima page[edit]

<swept in from the pub>

Hi,

if you look at the recent history of the Lima page, one guy has been vandalising it repeatedly in an attempt to publicize his taxi company (akatori). Not only has he been adding links to it in wrong sections (like "get in by plane") but, much worse, he has been sabotaging other companies coordinates by subtly changing phone numbers and internet addresses. I wanted to nominate him for a ban, but he uses different ips every time (probably operating from peruvian internet cafes). Is it possible to semi-protect the page, and where should I ask for it? Thanks. --Nattfodd 05:16, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

There is a strong preference on Wikitravel that we handle this sort of problem with conventional means that anyone can use, that is, by simply watchlisting the page and reverting the unwanted edits. Thanks for keeping an eye on this particular problem; I'll add it to my watchlist too and try to chip in. --Peter Talk 05:49, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
But if this gets totally out of control (and it's not there yet), it's possible to add his company and its phone numbers to the Wikitravel:Local spam blacklist. Jpatokal 05:50, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
Ok, thanks for your replies. I will also keep it on my watchlist and try and revert stuff as soon as it happens. Let's hope the guy understands that his efforts are pointless. --Nattfodd 05:40, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Sub-dividing Lima page into districts[edit]

Please see [Wikitravel:Districts in Cities] and [Wikitravel:Huge city article template]

I think creating a district page for Miraflores would be a good idea. Much of the content for the Lima page is for Miraflores. The Lima page is getting huge and alot of Lima isn't being recoginised for its restaurants and hostels whereas Miraflores swamps these sections. I think it would be better to divide the page. Miraflores already gets its own subsections but people are still sticking Miraflores stuff in the sections designated as other areas. Splitting the info into Miraflores and the rest of Lima will make it much easier to comprehend.

I'm going to go ahead and create the Miraflores district page, any complaints blame me! --Harleyca 21:20, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

Thank you for starting this discussion. However, when districtifying we should have districts covering all of the city without overlaps or gaps. Creating one district and keeping everything else in the main article is not the way to do it. Please seek consensus for a district plan for the city here first, --ClausHansen 01:44, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
I see your point, as it is currently, more than half of the eat and sleep entries are for Miraflores, the page is being flooded with Miraflores stuff and the rest of the city is being ignored and people are probably reluctant to add new eat and sleep entires as these sections are already quite large. Miraflores is the number one tourist district in Lima, therefore having a page for it makes sense. Having separated Miraflores means the Lima main page has room to breathe and expand and as more entries are added for other districts perhaps then we can make more district pages but only when there is a justifiable amount of content. Barranco and Central Lima would be good candidates in the future for further dividing Lima into districts. The districts that require there own pages will evolve naturally as information is added to the Lima main page.

--Harleyca 10:25, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

Would it make sense to establish Central Lima, Barranco and one more covering everything else? It would be great if we could avoid a situtaion with listings both in district articles and in the main page as it is now, and if the price for that is that we need to establish almost empty districts, then fine, --ClausHansen 10:31, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
Miraflores, Central Lima, Barranco, Everywhere else, that could work for now. Almost empty pages encourage people to add information, so I can see its a good idea (I wasn't sure at first). This seems like it'll work fine, it leaves the door open for future divisions if need be. I'm happy to go ahead and do this later today. Thanks for your input.--Harleyca 12:48, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
Any suggestions on what to call the article for everywhere else?, --ClausHansen 10:16, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
We can't just leave it as Lima?--Harleyca 11:31, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

We should have a district article for the rest of Lima, where all the remaining listings should go. The Lima main article should not have any listings but should only give an overview, --ClausHansen 16:36, 5 May 2011 (EDT)


Yep, I see thats the way its done on other pages. Naming everywhere else is difficult. Perhaps breaking it down a little further might make it easier to understand. There's 43 official districts in Lima, way too many for us here. We need pages for the major tourist districts and then the rest divided into geographical areas that are logical.


For the time being I'd suggest 7 Districts;

  • 3 Tourist District Pages; Central Lima, Barranco, Miraflores.
  • 4 Potential District Pages by Geographical Area; Rio Rimac North, Javier Prado West, Javier Prado North East, Javier Prado South East.

  • Rio Rimac North - everywhere north of Rimac River excluding Cerro San Cristobal which is part of Central Lima.
  • Javier Prado West or Rio Rimac South West - south of Rio Rimac, west of Arequipa.
  • Javier Prado North East - north of Javier Prado, south of Rio Rimac and east of Arequipa.
  • Javier Prado South East - south of Javier Prado and east of Arequipa.

Pros;

  • Rio Rimac is easily identifiable.
  • Javier Prado is a major road that people can identify easily.
  • Javier Prado is already divided east and west by Arequipa so naming districts Javier Prado North East, South East or West should be easy to comprehend.

Cons;

  • Arequipa runs through the middle of Miraflores and
  • Javier Prado runs through the middle of San Borja.
  • There large areas.

I think 3 tourist districts and 4 geographical districts will be adequate for now. The boundaries are simple enough, might have to strictly define the boundaries for Central Lima, Barranco and Miraflores but its fairly straight forward.--Harleyca 21:03, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

That looks fine. But what do you mean, runs through the middle of?, the districts will have to be defined so that they do not overlap, --ClausHansen 06:04, 7 May 2011 (EDT)

The rough guide of where the borders lie;

The official districts of;

  • Lima
  • Barranco
  • Miraflores

Geographical borders;

  • Rio Rimac
  • Rio Lurin
  • Av. Arequipa
  • Lima Province borders

In June I'll have access to a much better computer and will be able to create maps.

--Harleyca 21:52, 11 May 2011 (EDT)

Inkscapes 32-bit and lots of computing power doesn't improve its performance, so I've taken the easy way out and just exported straight from OpenStreetMap

Might have to highlight the borders on the maps in the future. --Harleyca 06:01, 28 June 2012 (EDT)

- Done --Harleyca 04:59, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Thumnails haven't updated, dunno why--Harleyca 06:58, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

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