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So, I'm not particularly fond of the region breakdown for Karnataka, but I felt like it'd be better to do it now than to have sub-sections of the "Cities" section. If there are more traditional or conventional regions that people would know about, please replace the ones that are there now. --Evan 09:07, 28 Feb 2004 (EST)

Link to external sites?[edit]

How about linking to DreamRoutes?

Name changes[edit]

Per The Times of India, several cities in Karnataka will soon have their names changed: Bangalore, Mysore, Mangalore, Hubli, Shimoga, Belgaum and Hospet will become Bengalooru, Mysooru, Mangalooru, Hubballi, Shivamogga, Belagaavi and Hosapete. I just wanted to make a note here, and point out once again that the article naming conventions expect us to use the most common English name, not the official name, whatever that may be. If these new names catch on, there's no reason not to change to them as they become more popular. --Evan 15:45, 1 November 2006 (EST)

Karnataka's divisions[edit]

WindHorse, I see that you've been reorganizing Karnataka to fit with its official divisions. I had noticed that Karnataka does have official divisions much like Maharashtra does, but had not reorganized for two important reasons:

  1. It puts Uttara Kannada in Belgaum division, while Udupi and Mangalore districts are in another division (don't remember, will check Wikipedia). That is most annoying as they are on the coastline and they have a lot in common culturally and in things to see. (Trust me, I am from there.)
  2. The names are unnatural. Belgaum division does not make sense, while North Karnataka does. You will notice that while I have gone with the official divisions in Maharashtra, I have given the more commonly used names - Western Maharashtra, not "Pune division."

For these reasons, I think your earlier organization made more sense than this one. — Ravikiran 08:57, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Actually, not complete sense, but I really want coastal Karnataka to be retained. — Ravikiran 09:01, 27 February 2007 (EST)
For reference, here are the official divisions of Karnataka, from Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Districts of KarnatakaRavikiran 09:05, 27 February 2007 (EST)
OK, I'll change it back. Actually, if someone else had coined the former names I would have left them, but as it was my arbitrary decision, I felt responsible to correct them according to the official titles. Anyway, thanks as always for your helpful and insightful feedback (and for saving me the trouble or relocating all the cities). WindHorse 09:06, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Wait, I'll do that. I have the handy rollback tool and it is easy for me! — Ravikiran 09:10, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Thank you. Thank you. I was just about to embark on doing it the hard way. WindHorse 09:12, 27 February 2007 (EST)
No problem! — Ravikiran 09:23, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Note to all contributors: Please don't take this discussion to mean that the Karnataka division is finalized. It is still somewhat unsatisfactory. For one, Coastal Karnataka lists Belgaum, which is inaccurate, as Belgaum is not in fact on the Coast (till Global Warming swallows Goa). Please suggest more "natural" divisions here, but please discuss before changing. — Ravikiran 09:50, 27 February 2007 (EST)

How about listing it under North Karnataka as it is next to Bagalakot, which is in that category? WindHorse 10:09, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Or how about dividing the state into 3 zones based on the physical features — Coastal Strip, Western Ghats and Deccan. Upamanyuwikitravel 06:30, 28 February 2007 (EST)
Which districts would the Western ghats region contain? I am well up on Karnataka's geography, but my rough understanding is that Malnad or Malenadu, i.e. the Western ghats, just form the eastern borders of the coastal districts and the western borders of some of the Deccan districts. (At least, we have a name ready for the region - Malnad, or Malenadu!) — Ravikiran 06:57, 28 February 2007 (EST)
WindHorse, thinking things through, the official divisions are not that bad except for the Coast bit. We could keep the Belgaum region minus Uttara Kannada and call it Northwestern Karnataka. (I've seen buses roaming around in Karnataka which are called "Vayavya Karnataka", i.e Northwest Karnataka transport, so it is semi official.) We could keep the Gulbarga division and call it North(ern) Karnataka. There is also a less unimaginative name for Coastal Karnataka - we could call it Canara (which is what the coast used to be called) or "Karavali", which is the Kannada translation for the coast and a commonly used word there. We can also keep the Mysore region minus Udupi and DK, and call it the Cauvery basin region, because I think that that is what it is, but need to do more research on that. Need to think of a name for the Bangalore division. — Ravikiran 06:57, 28 February 2007 (EST)
OK, the Bangalore region can be Karnataka/Central. There's only 1 problem, there'll just be 3 districts in Karavali, Uttar Kannada, Dakshin Kannada and Udipi. Upamanyuwikitravel 07:18, 28 February 2007 (EST)
P.S. Bagalkol, Dharvad, Haveri, Gadag, Bijapur and Shimoga can be Western Ghats. UK, DK and Udupi can be the Coastal districts. And all the others lie in the Deccan Plateau. Upamanyuwikitravel 07:18, 28 February 2007 (EST)
Are you relying on this map[1] ?? If you are, then thou art misled young man, for district 4, i.e. Belgaum, does not lie on the coastline! It borders Goa! So the Western ghats in that case are to the west of Belgaum, not to the east! I was wondering why you added Bijapur to the list, because Bijapur is a dry deccan area, not Western ghats at all... — Ravikiran 07:36, 28 February 2007 (EST)
I'm slightly lost, but I like the idea of using more traditional names for the regions, like Cauvery Basin and Canara or Karavali. Unfortunately, I'm only really familiar with the southern part of the state, so I cannot offer any personal opinions regarding other areas. Anyway, let me know you decide, and I'll help with the cut and paste (though I may be out of action from the end of March for a little while). Thanks for your input. WindHorse 11:31, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Proposed division[edit]

Here is what we have so far. I copied from the Wikipedia page and reorganized. Feel free to comment and reorganize if consensus occurs. — Ravikiran 07:12, 1 March 2007 (EST)

  • Perfect. Don't name the Mysore division Southern Karnataka, let it remain Cauvery Basin. Have a redirect instead, that would be good. Upamanyuwikitravel 07:27, 1 March 2007 (EST)
Seconded. Let's put it on the page. WindHorse 11:32, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Romanization[edit]

It's mentioned that idli is often romanized as idly or iddly. Has anyone here ever encountered such a sp - I've never come across these variations. Upamanyuwikitravel 07:47, 4 March 2007 (EST)

idly yes, iddly no. — Ravikiran 08:11, 4 March 2007 (EST)
You're from there, so I'm changing it right away. Upamanyuwikitravel 08:15, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Regional structure[edit]

The state is now split on five region articles which in turn are split in a number of district article corresponding to the administrative division. However, most of the district article have very limited content. Furthermore, only one of the five regions have enough city articles to justify the further subdivision in districts. Do we really want all these almost empty district articles? Or could we have districts only for the one region (Karavali) with many cities and leave the other fire regions without any further subdivision? ClausHansen 02:56, 6 January 2010 (EST)

I think it is useless now to have these empty district. Sissou 04:00, 6 January 2010 (EST)

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