Deletions by anonymous editor 18.104.22.168 on 9 Jan 2006?
On 23:06, 9 Jan 2006, anonymous editor 22.214.171.124 deleted several sections of the Guatemala page:
When to go
I agree that a lot of the content there could stand to be improved, but I'm not comfortable with deleting all the existing content and not providing any improved replacement. I'm reverting these deletions. Anonymous editor, I welcome your participation, but I'd appreciate it if you post a note here telling what content you'd like to provide to move this article forward. JimDeLaHunt 02:37, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)
I rolled it back. Nice catch! --Evan 02:39, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)
Are we really going to do travel guides for each of these volcanoes? I think for ones that you actually camp on, etc., it would make sense, but otherwise they should be covered in the guides for nearby towns or regions. --evanp 17:13, 14 January 2007 (EST)
Should the article say that travel is strongly discouraged? What is that based on? The US State Department doesn't put Guatemala on it's travel warning list, neither does the UK, Canada or Australia.
Should there be a report on the murder rate in the Stay Safe section?
On 18:50, 2007 January 15, 126.96.36.199 added the following statement to the Stay Safe section:
The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights reported last year that Guatemala had the highest murder rate in all of Latin America, with 70 homicides per 100,000 population. In Guatemala the murder rate is 20 times higher than in Seattle, and thirteen and a half times higher than the greater New York area.
Later that day, Nskinn revised the text slightly and added references. Shortly after that, Cjensen removed the references with the comment, "Remove references. Thanks for them -- but we don't need them unless it's on a talk page to resolve a dispute."
for the Guatemala homicide rate, http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34743 . As of Feb 11, 2007, this article includes the text, "The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, meanwhile, reported last year that Guatemala had the highest murder rate in all of Latin America, with 70 homicides per 100,000 population. "
I'm willing to believe that there's a high homicide rate in Guatemala, but I'm not sure what's appropriate to say about it in a travel guide. Thus I'm not changing anything now. I'm just noting the issue. JimDeLaHunt 14:50, 11 February 2007 (EST)
Feedback: this article doesn't give newcomer the right level of guidance
Some feedback from a friend who knows Guatemala, and was looking for a URL for a Guatemala first-time vistor to read: this Guatemala article wasn't useful. I think the comment was that it lacked an overview and list of top itineraries. The beginning of the article and the "See" and "Suggested Itineraries" sections are natural places to put these. I think the problem is that there is too much detail, and not enough overview content supplied yet. Yes, I'll add my contributions. But I wanted to post this feedback in the hopes of encouraging others too. JimDeLaHunt 15:33, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, Central America is one of the lesser-developed areas of Wikitravel, so we can definitely use your help prioritizing and organizing the information we have, and adding to it. - Todd VerBeek 16:05, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Took out the line in the Stay Safe section about being murdered because of taking a photo. While taking photos is very culturally insensitive and causes much fear, a statement as extreem as the one that was there needs a citation. The child slave trade (often for sex) is alive and well in Guatemala so the fear is warented but I have not seen a documented case of a pre-emptive murder because of a photo. (During the civil war there was a case of a mob killing a woman suspected of kidnaping but 20 years ago in Guatemala was a different tale.)
As in various central and south american countries the region system is a mixture of too many department pages that are almost empty and not widely used region pages. I d be willing to sort all that but but I've never been to Guatemala. The current region system on the main page appears fine to me but i d need confirmation from someone more knowledgeable.
Here s a map and a list of the departments of the country :
I d need help from someone who knows Guatemala as to which department fit in which region before starting the reorganization. Thanks for input. Rafcha 17:51, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
This needs pinning down. The five top level regions seem to make sense. Could someone who knows Guatemala (we seem to get a lot of content, so you must be out there!) suggest the precise boundaries with reference to the helpful departments map above?--Burmesedays 23:58, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
The list of Other destinations is huge and decisions will need to be made about which are the the most important 9 and the others moved to their relevant region article. --Burmesedays 23:58, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
Having not even attempted to sort out that enormous list of cities and ODs, here is my wild guesses on which department should go where: I think Peten and Caribbean are straightforward, they are 5 and 11 on the map respectively. 9, 16, 2, 6, 22, 12, and 4 should go to Central Highlands, since the description says "around Guatemala City" (the department of which is marked with 9 on the map). Pacific Highlands should be 13, 18, 8, 20, 15, 17, all bordering the Pacific. If the "highlands" definition here makes it OK to put the departments with no coast at all in, then I guess 14 also fits well here. And the rest (3, 7, 19, 21, and 10) is Western Highlands. 1 can go in Central, or Western, or even in Peten but I guess Western is best (on purely geographical grounds, it may best be attached to Central, but it's far away from Guatemala City). – Vidimian 03:28, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
That's very helpful Vidimian and seems logical. I will push on with the map and post here in the next day or two for comment. It would be good if someone who knows Guatemala gives it the once over before the final regionalisation work is done. Guatemala has a relatively large number of articles so the work involved is quite substantial. --Burmesedays 11:14, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
The deeper I dig, the larger the chaos becomes. A real mess with breadcrumbs all over the place, random low level sub-region articles etc..... Trying to instill some order --Burmesedays 11:39, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
For now at least, I am sticking Alta Verapez (1) in Central highlands and not West. Further complicated as there is a low level region article for this department.--Burmesedays 11:59, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
And reading about it, Quetzaltenango (14) seems to fit better into the Western Highlands.--Burmesedays 12:43, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
After a large clean up, the only the only valid departmental level sub region articles were Quiche and Alta Verapaz. These I have merged and redirected to the top level region. Given the large number of village articles from the area, Lake Atitlan will remain as a sub-region of Western Highlands. Otherwise, I think all of the second level region articles have been removed as unnecessary. It is a tangled maze though, and I might find some more surprises. --Burmesedays 22:50, 28 April 2010 (EDT)
I have got the list of ODs down to 9 - Lake Attitla of course, plus the best known beach area ,and as far as I can determine, the 7 most notable Maya ruin sites. It would be so helpful though if somebody who knows Guatemala could look over all of this. --Burmesedays 00:51, 29 April 2010 (EDT)
Done. Pretty much as proposed except it made no sense to follow the borders of Quetzaltenango and San Marcos departments in relation to the Pacific Highlands region. This has been a tough map to get right and it is still very much open to comment. I am also wondering if Pacific Highlands should be renamed Pacific Gautemala as it is both mountains and a long stretch of coast? --Burmesedays 06:24, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
Also, why is it called Caribbean Coast and not Izabel, as the region consists solely of that department?--Burmesedays 12:24, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
Wikipedia says it's Izabal, there should be a typo involved somewhere (Izabel redirects to Jezebel over there, which seems to be entirely unrelated). Although I won't loudly oppose a move to Izabal, I think "Caribbean Coast" is more familiar, at least for travellers who haven't been to Guatemala yet. And I support moving "Pacific Highlands" to Pacific Guatemala, per the reason you stated. – Vidimian 14:12, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
Ah yes, Izabal is indeed correct. I will leave as is for a while and see if there are any other comments.--Burmesedays 23:12, 30 April 2010 (EDT)