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So, uh... do we want to split up the information on the desert region of California from info about camping in the desert in California? You don't actually have to pack in all your food to Palm Springs -- they have stores there, strangely enough. -- Evan 12:03, 9 Nov 2003 (PST)


Yeah, I think you're right. Ill nix the appropriate section here and create a guide under desert camping. But this can then be broken up into car and pack types. Ron 11-9-03

Bonus! Just a hint: use four tildes (~~~~) to get an automated signature and timestamp. See using talk pages for more stuff like that. -- Evan 14:14, 9 Nov 2003 (PST)
Will do, thanks Ron 16:38, 9 Nov 2003 (PST)

Subdividing[edit]

I'm from the area. The "California Desert" is really large and generally divided into sections; Death Valley, Owens Valley, Mojave Desert (sometimes known as "high desert"), Palm Springs, Anza-Borrego, and Imperial Valley. These sections are well-separated geographically, usually by portions of mountain ranges or populated/agricultural areas, so they aren't really lumped into a single desert; I believe that technically they're different deserts (Deserts of the World?) as well. Some amount of would would be needed to accomplish this, and I'm willing to work at it if it's agreed.--Justfred 17:46, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

Your proposed subdivision of the Desert (California) region looks reasonable to me (also from the area), but we'll need some clear way of determining what are the specific borders of each sub-region. For California we handled that problem by creating a map to make it clear what Wikitravel considers the top-level regions of the state to be; this helps avoid arguments such as whether Santa Barbara is in Southern California or the Central Coast since we've got a map to refer to. For Ohio we used counties as the regional dividers. For the Bay Area there's a guideline that refers people to look at area codes to determine what the regional borders are. Provided we can come up with an equally clear way of delimiting each of your proposed sub-regions I'd say go ahead with this breakdown. -- Ryan 17:56, 27 September 2006 (EDT)
Okay. I would suggest that no matter what, Mojave Desert is a minor desert (as is Anza-Borrego) so they'd deserve their own sections as long as there's enough there to discuss. That is, Mojave Desert != and < California Desert. Will have to consider what subregions that represents.--Justfred 18:01, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

Is it okay to point Mojave back at Desert (California) instead of Mojave Desert|Desert (California) till this is resolved? Also I created the Mojave Desert article but didn't get far. There does need to be a deserts of the world - Atacama, Sonora, Gobi, etc. listing major and minor deserts; I can't seem to find one tho I know such a thing exists. I just found a fascinating article about the Altar which I live right next to but barely even knew about.--Justfred 18:15, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

I'd suggest that it might be worthwhile to work on the Mojave Desert article on its own and wait a bit for others to add any comments before making further changes; give it a few days, and barring further comment go ahead and plunge forward with Mojave.
Okay; I guess what got me into this was the opening on Mojave where it says,
Mojave is a city in Kern County in the Mojave Desert
...instead of just
Mojave is a city in Kern County in the California Desert
...since they're not the same (and openings usually reference regions); I tend to dislike misleading references.--Justfred 18:54, 27 September 2006 (EDT)
It sounds like your Mojave Desert article will be similar to the Lake Tahoe article, which is one of the only sub-regions created for the Sierra Nevada - the Sierra Nevada isn't further sub-divided because most of the area in that region is remote and sub-regions weren't necessary. In this case, I'm not sure that a sub-region such as "Joshua Tree/Twentynine Palms" would offer any benefit beyond what the Joshua Tree National Park article offers; we could consider using larger sub-regions, or just forget about sub-regions altogether. Hopefully others will have some additional insight. -- Ryan 18:38, 27 September 2006 (EDT)
Agree, I wouldn't turn it into subregions. Areas aren't the same as regions; some areas need articles, others don't.--Justfred 18:54, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

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