Hi there: I'm adopting this page, with the goal of filling it in slowly over the next month or so, so please don't delete places where there are headers/titles without details; I'm planning on trying to fill things in somewhat methodically. Thanks! ByeByeBaby 22:47, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)
This page reads exactly like a Lonely Planet travel guide, which I can only assume is copyrighted materials. Is this allowed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 2007 April 22
If any content is taken from Lonely Planet then it needs to be removed. See Wikitravel:Copyleft for guidelines about what can be used on Wikitravel. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:19, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
Agreed, we don't use any content copied from Lonely Planet. For what it's worth, one of the colourful phrases in the intro, "Calgary lies where the prairies end and the foothills begin", dates back to the very first revision of this article from 2003, and doesn't show up on LonelyPlanet.com. JimDeLaHunt 01:37, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
This article is tagged with "This article or section does not match our manual of style or needs other editing." User:OldPine applied this tag on 03:52, 2007 September 25, with the comment "Besides frontlinked listings, attraction listings do not have address, phone, hours". I'll observe that there are a number of subheadings that don't match the appropriate article template, Wikitravel:Big city article template. Let's talk about how to bring this article back to the Wikitravel:Manual of style. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
The article appears to have all the headings for the Wikitravel:Big city article template. However, it also has extra sub-headings, as follows. I'd propose to simply delete them and let the content flow together. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Under Understand, drop the subheads City Layout and Navigation but keep Climate. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Under See, the district-level subheads are non-standard. However, there are enough listings to make some kind of subdivision worthwhile. Maybe what that says is that we should use the Wikitravel:Huge city article template, and divide Calgary into districts. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
the Do - Live Theatre section is pretty good and should be retained, but change the subhead to Performing Arts.
Do - Spectator Sports should be renamed Sports, and be moved up to replace Athletics.
All the listings under Do - Sports - Amateur, including Boating, Court Sports, Cycling, Field Sports, Golf, Hiking, Hockey, Raquet Sports, and Winter Sports, strike me as not very helpful to the tourist. Maybe they are helpful to a Calgary resident. They seem like an attempt to make the article into a complete directory to Calgary, and I don't think Wikitravel aspires to be that. Most of the listings require work to confirm to the Wikitravel:Activity listings style. Thus I think I'm in favour of archiving these listings off the Talk page or something, and then deleting all these sections. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
The section Do - Annual festivals has interesting listings, most with URLs. I'd retain this. However, we should add street addresses and contact information to the listings (hopefully we can find it at the URLs given). JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Under Learn, the institutions are fine, but we should add street addresses and contact information to the listings (hopefully we can find it at the URLs given). JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Work is fine. Delete the subhead Volunteer, and make it the final paragraph of Work. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Under Buy, like See, the district-level subheads are non-standard. Maybe Calgary should use the Wikitravel:Huge city article template, and divide Calgary into districts. The listings also need to have address and contact information added in. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Eat, Drink, and Sleep look fine as far as the article structure goes. They use standard sub-heads. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Under Stay safe, delete all subheads. Move the hospital and medical centre listings (but not the headings) to Cope, and format using listing entities. The Stay safe section thus becomes the text under Safety.
Under Cope, the long, detailed, wonderful list of consulates and laundries seems like more than what most travellers need. Maybe if we were to divide the article into districts, it would be more manageable. But I think both take the article too far towards being a business directory. Thus I think I'm in favour of archiving these listings off the Talk page or something, and then deleting these two sections. Maybe keep just a few of the most useful laundry listings to tourists. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
If you have useful sources for Calgary travel info, add them here. Remember to follow the Wikitravel:External links policy. If a site has good Calgary travel info, let's use it as a research source to write new listings for Wikitravel, not just link to them in the article. JimDeLaHunt 01:14, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Hi, saw your comment, I want to comment, hehe. The reason why I put that in there was not becayse of huge city status, believe me that's not my intent, Edmonton or Ottawa probably would get that soon enough though, but anyways...I put that in there to add some more information that may be great for travellers to know, just a little bit about specific districts. I didn't add information, because I only really know NW, Central, North Central, and SW well, and I'm not a good person to decribe it. So I left it for someone else to do it. I don't think Calgary has enough information to have "huge city" yet, but I think its nice to know about the districts anyways, but nbot have links to them. I am working really hard to have Edmonton, Alberta, Canada to have "huge city" and "star article" but I don't think I can do it all by myself and I think Calg can do the same. Maybe I can help you, JimDeLaHunt with Calgary...anyways I'm getting off-topic! I just think, like the Ed section, Calgary could use some additional information pertaining to the districts of the city. Thats my point! I won't re-add them until you reply with what you think first of all, also check the Edmonton talk page, Jim, from time-to-time and see the other sections i added to Calgary Talk... sorry, I get off-topic...thansk for listening! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edmontonenthusiast (talk • contribs) 14:54, 2008 October 22
User:Edmontonenthusiast, thanks for your reply, and thanks for you enthusiastic(!) contributions to various articles. Regarding districts in Calgary, I guess we can agree that this article isn't ready for the Wikitravel:Huge city article template. I agree it's nice to know about districts. More to the point, it is helpful to travellers to have an idea of the districts. EE, did you see the part of the Understand section describing the city's structure? It begins, "Calgary is divided into four quadrants, NE, NW, SE, SW…." Does that seem to you like a useful way to describe Calgary's structure for a traveller? If it could be improved, we should revise that paragraph, instead of setting up a conflicting structure elsewhere. See the Wikitravel:Big city article template instructions, and also Wikitravel:Where you can stick it for what goes where in the article. JimDeLaHunt 02:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I think, perosnally, Jim, that Calgary could use Districts seperate and then, well, travellers could know more specifically about the district, not a simple little paragraph. But that's my opinion, what do you think. (Also check the Talk: Edmonton section please. Thanks, Jim, you're helpful! Edmontonenthusiast 12:30, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
Well when Calgary gets the districts, they will be pretty bland, but not much worse than Edmonton for sure. Northwest, Northeast, Southwest, Southeast, Central, UofC. 6 Districts. Keep smiling,edmontonenthusiast [ee].T.A.L.K. 19:06, 20 November 2008 (EST).
I saw Oklahoma had a seperate page for it's metropolitan region-just an outline is all, but still nice to talk about the cities radiating the city. I also recently did this to the Edmonton Capital Region and was wondering if Calgary needed this aswell?Edmontonenthusiast 20:58, 22 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
I think it is time to go around and creat Calg. Metro Region. I think the general idea from the alberta page is that it would be nice! Any oposition? I'lla give it some days-or if I get over like 5 replies...hmm, ok! KEep smiling, eetalk 22:55, 4 November 2008 (EST).
I think Calgary needs more pictures. Anymore contributers? I can't do it all myself, you know.Edmontonenthusiast 21:03, 22 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
I might go to Calgary for Rememberance Day Long Weekend in November I could take some pictures and add some to Wikitravel, or any other time I go to Calgary. Also, I encourage others to get out (especially Calgarians) to take pictures! The Doo, See, Buy, and Eat section needs that stuff. If you need some inspiration Vancouver has lots of photos and i recently added bunches to Edmonton. Thanks! Edmontonenthusiast 21:04, 22 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
More pictures are always welcome! Thank you for adding these ones to Calgary. I think you've already found out the secret: upload them to Wikitravel Shared, so every language of Wikitravel can use them. Think especially of pictures which will help travellers: by capturing the spirit of the destination, by identifying landmarks, by helping travellers enjoy the destination. JimDeLaHunt 02:17, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
THankyou, for the commetn! Yeah, I knew Shared right when I uploaded my first photo of 104th Street Downtown Edmonton. that is a beautiful picture. ANYWAYS...yeah, I have a bunch of photos of Calgary, but most are randomly of downtown and the Calgary Zoo, most of which don't fit here. ALl my other Calg photos I can't find, :(. Oh well, next time I go I'll be sure to check out 17th Avenue, some restuarants, different skyline views, some aprks, Steph. Ave., maybe Calaway Park, or SOMETHING. Calgary desperately needs more pictures, Ifind most articles on WT lack that, unfortunately. I am adding more and more to the Edmonton section, but I live in Edmonton ,and I love takin' pics so it's easy. But I ecnourage Calgarians to take out photos. WT Calgary desperately needs more. I will try as much as I can, though. Anyways, thats all...THANKYOU! Edmontonenthusiast 12:35, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
I think we need people to add more hotels to the section. I personally am not that good when it comes to Calgary & hotels, but if I must, I can search some. Any takers? Edmontonenthusiast 21:06, 22 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
More hotel listings are always welcome. Usually I hope that travellers will list the (good) hotels they stay in, and everyone will contribute the better hotels in their home town. If you want to do research and add listings, that is also fine. I'd encourage you to aim for quality over quantity: make your listings complete, with address and URL and prices, not just the name of a hotel. JimDeLaHunt 02:19, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I know, I know about the quantity. I think I will try to look up a few I think would be good and stuff. But seriously, mega-Calgary travellers please add, and Calgarians themselves add. Are there even any Calgarian's out there? C'mon! Edmontonenthusiast 12:37, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
To add, it seems no person is actually a Calgarian on this site! Keep smiling, eetalk 20:38, 3 November 2008 (EST).
Hi, I was wondering if I was doing a good job by adding Hospitality inn to the midrange for hotels. Did I do it ok, does it fit the
"Calgary Criteria"? Also, I encourage anyone who knows more about the hotel to add more info.! Edmontonenthusiast 12:52, 23 October 2008 (EDT)Edmontonenthusiast
Hospitality Inn is a fine hotel to add to the Calgary article. Thank you for listing it. However, since you're such an enthusiastic participant, I'm going to hold you to a higher level than I would a random one-listing contributor. Firstly, get the formatting right. The listing tag needs to be all on one paragraph; you can't put an Enter character anywhere in it, or the listing won't show up. Did you notice that the listing didn't appear on the page after you entered it? Secondly, when you make a listing, see if you can make it complete. Your Best Western Hospitality listing lacks URL, phone number, typical prices, check-in and check-out times, etc. All of those are valuable pieces of information for travellers. Thirdly, be careful with spelling. You spelled convenient as "convinent". When I make an edit, I generally press the "Preview" button so that I can see my changes before I save them. Sometimes I'll preview a dozen times before I'm satisfied. So: great work, but keep on raising your quality. Travellers will thank you for it. JimDeLaHunt 03:38, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, and, I left some blank because I wanted to get on to other stuff, coming back later and of course looking. Edmontonenthusiast 10:23, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Do you think Calgary needs more stuff in the "Understand" segment?
Do you think Calgary section needs more in the Understand Segment? I mean, look at Edmonton or even Vancouver's, their's is much larger! Should we include a history section, or anything¿ I personally think it deserve's more. And...what do you think?
I agree the Understand section could be better. The guide/star articles will usually have a bit of history about the city, things that make it unique, etc (Chicago is a good to use as a reference). I think a lot of the existing info in Understand could probably be moved to the Get around section, too.
And take it easy on us, it sometimes takes a day or two before we can look and respond! (Urgent work deadlines and the such) :-) Shaund 22:29, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Heh, sorry, it's just, you get anxious. I will try to add more to the "Understand" segment after I get this whole big Edmonton project I'm doing (districtifying) which I should be able to do by Saturday-or Sun because I busy on Sat. Anyways, thanks, and In the meantime, you should clean it up and maybe startup the history segment :)! Edmontonenthusiast 22:32, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I put in history for you to get started, or anyone else ;)! Edmontonenthusiast 14:09, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Stir up some beautiful discussion on the history I added-please check and if you have a comment add it here about it. THANKS! Keep smiling, eetalk 20:05, 6 November 2008 (EST).
I made a few changes. It is not factual to say it was founded "to keep out whisky-drunk Americans" and some people might even take offense at that summary. I also made some other minor grammatical changes to help the flow. Texugo 01:14, 7 November 2008 (EST)
Sorry I just looked at stuff on wikipedia since I don't know much about Calgary's history and it says it there! Keep smiling, eetalk 10:24, 7 November 2008 (EST).
what parts need help to fit the manual of style in calgary? hmmm? i was wondering because maybe i could do some. keep smiling, eetalk 20:40, 3 November 2008 (EST).
Listings should be alphabetized
Addresses should not include city, province, or country (they should be obvious by the article title itself). Zip code information shouldn't be included either, by the way, though I'm not sure if that is an issue here.
Telephone numbers need to be standardized, preferably by using the appropriate template for easier editing. This would also take care of the missing comma after some listing titles.
Many elements of the See section should be bulleted, and in the many cases the addresses need to be moved from within the text to their position just after the listing title. Again, using the do template would be helpful. On top of that, we usually subdivide that section by attraction type rather than by location.
Links in some sections, such as the Get around by bicycle section need to be properly placed.
While not really a MoS issue, this article could use a good pruning. 20 golf courses and 26 laundromats, for example, are a bit much. They appear to be just copied out of a phone directory, rather than personally recommended by someone. Not really sure whether we need the complete list of consulates and embassies either.
Hope that helps! Texugo 23:50, 3 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks! Remember Canada has postal codes, not zip! Keep smiling, eetalk 23:54, 3 November 2008 (EST).
Don't mind the name--yes, I know. Anyways, a new (ugly, suburban, wierd, blah) "Mills" mall is opening 2km north of Calgary in the hamlet of Balzac. It is called CrossIron Mills. What I am wondering is when it opens to put it in calgary or to creat one for balzac, alberta - with like 1000 people, and then only thing is the mall and farms and basic industry and the QEII. Keep Smiling, edmontonenthusiast [ee].T.A.L.K. 15:34, 24 November 2008 (EST).
If that is really the only thing in Balzac, you can put it in the Get out section of Calgary. And actually, with it being only 2km from Calgary, you might even put it in the Buy section instead. Texugo 19:45, 24 November 2008 (EST)
I think districting would be the best choice. If there is opposition, fine, but I love the vibe of making good articles. I will start adding a lot of information. edmontonenthusiast [ee].T.A.L.K. 17:57, 8 December 2008 (EST).