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There's been a lot of activity on this country page, so I'm moving the CIA Factbook stuff to Talk:Brazil/CIA World Factbook 2002 import for reference. --Evan 14:28, 5 Dec 2003 (PST)

[edit] SMS mobile phone support

Please, check if the information about TIM mobile carrier is true. I believe that all carriers is able to send text messages to cell phones abroad. —The preceding comment was added by 143.107.45.17 (talk • contribs)

I'm pretty sure about that because I own a TIM and a Brasil Telecom, and my brother has a Vivo phone. Of all three, only the TIM phone can send international SMS. I can double check this too, but during my recent past travels I could never get messages sent by my friends who own Claro phones to my European phone, so I suppose they're also unable to text abroad. Those are the four carriers that provide national coverage, and I don't think that other smaller local carriers can provide that service either. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 20:25, 4 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Maps of Brazilian regions and states

I've found a website that contains a wealth of maps of Brazil, but I'm not sure if they are copyrighted or not. Does anybody know if we could use these? DhDh 04:55, 22 Jan 2004 (EST)

It'd probably be a good idea to contact the Brazilian authority in charge. --Evan 15:17, 5 Mar 2004 (EST)

I think there's a good chance they are. Somebody already wrote an email? My portugese isn't that good but I could give it a try if there's nobody willing to do this --Cyc08:08, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I don't think government officials would make copyrighted maps widely available on the Internet and not mention it. Anyway, I have just sent them an e-mail asking about it. I will post here again as soon as I get the response. I think the maps would be really useful for Wikitravel. --Rmx 03:42, 8 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Finally they replied: The use is allowed, credit should be given to Ministério dos Transportes. --Rmx 15:30, 16 Oct 2005 (UCT)

[edit] Amazonia

So, I don't think Amazonia is a real destination according to our geographical hierarchy. At least, it overlaps much of the other regions. If those regions are weak, well, we need to change them. Ideas? --Evan 15:17, 5 Mar 2004 (EST)

Not only does it overlap Brazilian regions, but it also includes parts of Venezuela, Colombia and Peru. We could maybe make it a disambiguation page that links to the regions it encompasses. I don't think the regions we have are weak (I think I proposed them ;-). My in-laws are Brazilian and people in Brazil speak about the Nordeste, Centroeste, etc. They are the traditional regions the country is divided in. BTW, we're planning a trip to Rio de Janeiro/Cabo Frio in summer. I'll take an extra bag to carry all the info for Wikitravel home... DhDh 17:26, 5 Mar 2004 (EST)

I meant to come back and remove that statement. After surfing the Web a bit, I'm convinced these are in fact quite righteous regions. The maps you link to above, as well as another few sites, use approximately the same regions we do -- not a necessity, but a good indicator that we're on the right track.

I'm not sure what to do about "Amazonia". I'm guessing it's not synonymous with Amazonas. By the way, good to see you! --Evan 17:44, 5 Mar 2004 (EST)

The five regions (Norte, Nordeste, Centro-Oeste, Sudeste and Sul) are right. They are the official ones.

I just added some info on phone numbering (but somehow got logged out while doing it)

Since I'm a Brazilian (from Niterói, RJ), I can add more info on some things (but I have no clue as to what a tourist would find useful).

BTW, Amazonas is both the state and the river; Amazonia is the region (which includes parts of other countries); the part of Amazonia which is within Brazil is in the North region (but is not the whole of it). It would be better to use the official (political) regions, which are nothing more than groups of states (the region borders and state borders match exactly). IOW, let's keep the grouping as is, with these five regions.

cesarb 18:10, 3 Apr 2004 (EST)

If one is going to Cabo Frio (RJ) it is worth it going to Buzios where the beautiful beaches are.

This map is wrong! It's too old. We have another capital yet, Palmas.

[edit] By Car

Would someone please make entry on getting into Brazil by car? I read that "Long-distance bus service connects Brazil to its neighboring countries," so I gather that one may drive in as well, no?

I have added some info on the location of border crossings. Which other information could also be useful? --Rmx 04:22, 08 Oct 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Images

Don't know if it's any use but I spent 8 month in Brazil an took a quite a lot of pictures (not professional ones). If you want some as a start you can check out www.timosachsenberg.de. They are all free to use. I would do it myself but I got some exams right now. cheers

[edit] Separating States

I think we should not list "some of the most proeminent cities" on the first page... I'd like to write about non-proeminent regions, which are, in fact, the most important information (couse it's very hard to find in elsewhere). So, Maybe we could:

• Make a brief of each state (26 at total) and link the items to it's page or
• Make a brief of each region (5 at total) and link it a page containing the states description;

Is it OK if I change the layout that way ??? 1ur1 12:52, 10 Aug 2005 (EDT)

And then move cities to a separate Brazilian Cities article? That sounds reasonable to me, as it would also help fixing the confusing Other destinations section, which mixes cities, states and other attractions. --Rmx 04:47, 8 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Making an article simply about Brazilian Cities will be deleted. The cities can simply be added to the main Brazil or the state's article. Otherwise you create confusion when people are looking at the article about Brazil, but do not find the city they are looking for. -- Ilkirk 00:32, 8 Oct 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Dumped lists of cities

Some IP address, probably in Brazil though I haven't whoised it. dumped lists of cities, with repetitions and some questionable items such as "Km 115", into Paraná and Santa Catarina. Can someone who knows Brazilian geography weed the junk out? -phma 20:12, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Culture & Society

I think the sections on culture and society are so biased I can't even start "fixing" them!! I think those items really deserve a deeper and more sensitive collaboration. Can anybody please help? --Rmx 04:32, 08 Oct 2005 (EDT)

If you think they are biased and know how to remove that bias, go for it. If you feel like it needs a complete overhaul, then plunge forward and take care of it. -- Ilkirk 00:34, 8 Oct 2005 (EDT)

[edit] Regions

I'm moving the mention to Distrito Federal to the description of the Center-west region, as it is always included there in Brazil's political geography. Therefore, we can stick to the 5 regions described in the introductory paragraph. --Rmx 19:00 17 Oct 2005 (UCT)

[edit] Pantanal

I am replacing the term chaco by Pantanal, as those are two different ecosystems. According to this[1] WWF site, chaco is more similar to the dry Brazilian cerrado (savannah) while the term Pantanal is used by UNESCO[2] in its original Portuguese form as a completely unique ecosystem of wetlands. Rmx 17:45, 17 Nov 2005 (EST)

[edit] Talk

I removed "Brazilian Portuguese has its own dialects" since AFAIK people who speak a dialect can't understand the other dialect. That's not what happens, people understand each other across all the country, only the rythm and stress of the words change.

I'm portuguese and I don't understand the thing that says words don't begin with an R sound. I can think of lots of words that start with an R. How could one possibly pronouce real as "hay-AHL"?? 193.137.24.32 09:09, 10 Nov 2005 (EST)

Point exactly, your portuguese. Go to Brazil to see. We dont prenounce the "R" sound with a "rrrrr" sound (Like as if Vibrating your tongue), but instead with a "H" sound ( as if your going to spit).

According to my dictionary, a dialect is "a regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary". Hence, it can be said that there are many dialects of Portuguese in Brazil, even though they are mutually comprehensible. As for the initial R sound, in Brazil it always sounds like the English H sound, not rolled like the Spanish R. Rmx 21:10, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

• I have been studying Brazilian Portuguese and have actually found it much easier to learn than I imagined. Most of the words can be associated with english words that mean the same thing, which is great for recollection. As for the comments on the "R", it does have the "H" or a kind of hissing sound when it is at the beginning of a word. However, when it is not at the beginning it usually takes the rolling r sound. For example: Rio De Jeneiro would be pronounced - Rio is like "He-o" with the e and o being the long vowel sound, and Jeneiro, the "r" has the rolling r sound almost sounding like the english d in the word "do" if pronounced very fast by a Brazilian. Pimsleur has a great audio collection for learning any language.

[edit] Small cities vs Other Destinations

I think the Other Destinations section is aimed at destinations that aren't really cities such as parks, ruins, other geographical features (say, a canyon or a volcano) or even sub-regions like the Pantanal. The Cities list, however, really looks too long so I believe it could be split into "main" (most visited/well-known) and "other" cities, thus leaving the other destinations section for its original purpose. Comments?

Certainly. I just wanted to move them out of the Cities list, which I think should be limited to those on the map. Frankly though, I'd like to remove those minor destinations altogether. They tend to be totally unknown minor places that someone (usually an anonymous one-time contributor) adds just to say "I went there, and it was really cool!". While even such minor places deserve an article, they don't merit mention on the main country page. -- Paul Richter 08:16, 22 Nov 2005 (EST)

I've just moved 3 more cities to the region articles. Even though they are on the map, they are not major national attractions themselves, being either entrance cities to some other destinations or just regional tourist attractions. Rmx 09:56, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)

We include cities at the country level because there are a lot of people who don't have the geographical knowledge to find, say, Rio de Janeiro in Brazil by navigating through Southeast (Brazil) to Rio de Janeiro (state) then to find Rio de Janeiro. The point is to have popular and frequently-sought cities in that area as a "short cut" for navigation. Cities that, say, an average New Zealander isn't going to be familiar with should be on the regional or state pages. Actually, all cities should be on the regional and state pages, but the most popular and well-known should probably also be on the country page, too. --Evan 21:24, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

[edit] Tap Water

The article says that tap water should not be drank at all. This does not seem correct as (at least in São Paulo state) SABESP (a water company) does a great job on providing high-quality water. I believe that other brazilians should comment here on this issue. Tap water might have been a problem before, but it is not like this now. At least in São Paulo state.

I agree that the "don't ever drink it" is too strong a statement (I didn't write it), but although health authorities generally claim to provide good drinking water almost everywhere, I personally don't know many people who drink it unfiltered. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 03:00, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] 9 cities

So Brazil is facing the same "too many cities" dilemma that other country articles have faced before. To stick to the 5-9 cities consensus, maybe we should clean up the list and leave the capital plus 8 of the 10 most visited cities according to the country's tourist authority.

1. Rio de Janeiro
2. São Paulo
3. Salvador
4. Fortaleza
5. Recife
6. Foz do Iguaçu
7. Búzios
8. Porto Alegre
9. Florianópolis
10. Belo Horizonte

Foz do Iguaçu should be left out because people don't go there for the city but for the Falls, which are listed under Other destinations. Maybe Porto Alegre should be left out too, because it can be popular with Spanish-speaking travellers, but not necessarily with the English-speaking target audience of this guide. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 19:29, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

I'd leave out Búzios - it may be a heavily visited resort, but that's different from being a significant city. And perhaps add Belem, as it's the biggest city in a significant region. -- Paul Richter 04:33, 2 April 2007 (EDT)