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Random info[edit]

For any kind of information you can write to Bangladesh Travel Helpers Forum (BTHF). This organization helps the tourists through giving information & dont take any money for this. You can also book tickets in advance by BTHF. Their e-mail address is : bthf123@gmail.com

MAPS[edit]

The gov't website has a lot of maps that could be useful for Wiki map-makers... Cacahuate 00:21, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Divisions[edit]

So I've now created division pages since I have a better sense of what needs a page and doesn't... so far Chittagong Division, Rajshahi Division, Khulna Division and Sylhet Division seem like they have multiple destinations and can make a good page...

Dhaka Division and Barisal Division don't seem to have much else going on aside from the capital cities and things that can be done as day trips from them, so I've linked them direct to the city pages, and any day trips can go in the 'see' or 'get out' sections on the city pages. Cacahuate 06:25, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Gopalgonj[edit]

  • Gopalgonj - Birthplace of the father of the nation Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

I moved this out of 'cities', not much info on it, can't find it on a map, nor is it included in my LP guide... if someone knows which 'division' it's in, please add it to that page, but I don't think it belongs in the list of 9 cities on the front Bangladesh page... Cacahuate 12:15, 17 January 2007 (EST)

It's near Dhaka, adding it there... Cacahuate 12:25, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Spin?[edit]

The article currently makes scenic, friendly, wonderful, fish-lover's Bangladesh sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Most people who've actually been there tell me it's filthy, congested, dangerous, and has few attractions. Could somebody who knows the score -- calling a French peanut -- fix this up? Jpatokal 08:18, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Errr, read a little closer, I'm doing my best not to interject too many of my negative feelings since some are personal, but trying to reflect the actual state of the country... I think the articles starting to do that pretty well...
Few attractions yes, the cities (especially Dhaka and Chittagong) are absolutely filthy and polluted. Dangerous? Not so much, unless you go hartal-crashing, but it didn't feel anymore so than India. Scenic? It does have some nice scenery, nice being the keyword.
The people are indeed some of the friendliest on earth, too much so for me, but I'm trying not to interject to much negativity into the article since what I found wrong with the country were more personal issues that might not bother others as much.
The food is indeed very good most of the time, as long as you like fish and rice. note the 'meatless' chicken comment...
Check out the understand sections for Cox's Bazar and Chittagong - I've still got a lot more to do for Dhaka, so that article will reflect a more accurate tone once I get there...
I can certainly add more complaints if that's what people want, I've got a lot of them, but I'm not sure that's what we really want... Cacahuate 08:47, 18 January 2007 (EST)
The articles are looking great, but to address the concerns above, I wonder whether the Dhaka article might sound a little more accurate/genuine if the city's dire poverty and choking pollution were given a mentioned in the 'Understand' section. Personally, I like Dhaka, and I've always had a great time there, but the sparkling capital of an Asian tiger it is most definitely is not. What does our French peanut friend think? WindHorse 12:01, 18 January 2007 (EST)
I totally agree about Dhaka... I haven't really gotten my teeth into that article yet other than cleaning up the prior existing info, as I've been focusing on others, but will get around to it soon... got lots of notes on it... retiring for the night now! P.S., if you're referring to me, I'm more of a spanish peanut, we Americans have a shaky history with them Franches... Cacahuate 12:34, 18 January 2007 (EST)
Thanks - Actually, I'd like to help, but it has just been too long since I was last in Dhaka to make a reliable and up-to-date contribution. Ah, yes, Cacahuate is Spanish. Lo siento, amigo! WindHorse 23:18, 18 January 2007 (EST)
Well, if you think of something please do! It's probably not necessary at this time, but do you think at some point we should split Dhaka up into districts? Dhaka/Old Dhaka, Dhaka/Central Dhaka, Dhaka/Gulshan (also including Benoni in Gulshan)? At the very least we'll have to do separate maps for these 3 areas I think... Cacahuate 00:03, 19 January 2007 (EST)
I guess at some point all the mega-cities, which Dhaka certainly qualifies, will need to be divided into districts. The ones you suggest for Dhaka sound correct to me. WindHorse 01:57, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Megacities are defined by volume of tourist attractions, not sheer size. Delhi's still a normal 'big city' (although it's starting to be a candidate for districting) and it's way larger in size and tourist volume than Dhaka... Jpatokal 03:31, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Good point, won't create those then anytime soon... if ever... Cacahuate 04:09, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Grameen Phone[edit]

Sorry anonymous Grameen Phone deleter, but I'm pretty sure they're still in business. If somethings changed or you care to comment, do so here... – cacahuate talk 23:54, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Visa section[edit]

Not sure that the visa section is very authoratative. The advice "better to just pay the overstay fee of Tk 200/day for up to 15 days" is pretty poor. A somewhat common question when filling out visa applications for other countries, applying for immigration status, etc. is 'Have you ever overstayed a visa in any country'. It would be pretty bad to knowingly set yourself up for a situation where you have to choose between lying on that form or telling them you have.

Also your passport will have a record of the overstay -- something that consular or immigration officials in other countries may notice. Its rare that they look for that, but if they do, they'll certainly think twice about granting you a visa or entry.

Also, the "extortionate Rs 5000 (~$110) for American citizens" is a little harsh. Countries often set visa rates based on the principle of reciprocity. An American tourist visa costs about the same for Bangladeshi citizens. I propose removing the "extortionate" adjective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.88.62.116 (talkcontribs)

I'm the author of both of those comments, and feel that both of them are very true and relevant to the article. I've applied for about 20 visas in the last 2 years and don't ever recall having to answer the "have you overstayed?" question. And as you say above, it's highly unlikely that anyone's going to take time to do the math and figure out if you were a few days late.
Regarding the "extortionate" comment... I'm well aware that visa costs are often based on reciprocity, but sometimes it just doesn't make sense. The US and Bangladesh are at opposite ends of the spectrum in pretty much every aspect. Bangladesh needs tourists. The US doesn't. If the US relaxed it's visa costs and restrictions we'd get flooded with immigrants... sticking with Bangladesh as an example, I would guess that 80% of the entire country would move to the US if given the opportunity. But all that aside, I find extortionate to be a very appropriate word, because that's exactly what I felt was happening... it wasn't about the politics of visa costs, it was simply an attempt to extort has much as possible. Did I mention that the $110 was for FIFTEEN DAYS???? To visit one of the poorest, and by most accounts, least appealing countries in the world? And that in order to extend the visa at all beyond the 15 days costs another $110? Do you have a better word to describe that? – cacahuate talk 02:24, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
Very few Americans/Europeans visit Bangladesh (excluding dual citizens) and tourism is not a high priority. This policy may be classified as idiotic (my opinion), but it's the reality. Visa fees are typically based on a reciprocity fee schedule. Most visitors in Bangladesh are Indians, but they are not charged as much due to SAARC agreements. I agree that visiting this country is unappealing unless ones has family or business, but their policy is consistent with international practices. America did have free visa applications in the past (1990s): the amount of people applying for visas was actually less than it is today. Fees were introduced to cover costs - an appropriate policy even for a poor nation. So, the word that should be used is "reciprocity." If the US removed visa fees for Bangladeshi citizen's they would probably reciprocate. No offense intended to anyone. rgds, rms.
What costs does Bangladesh need to cover that any other country doesn't? Anyway, I trust you've read my rant above, I already covered it pretty much. Anyhow, let's compromise... how about "hefty"... surely you don't disagree with that? Consider Pakistan, who also have a similar "reciprocal" visa fee... however you get at least 30 days for that, and can extend it a couple times for free once inside the country (and fairly easily at that). Sorry to fight so hard on this, but the visa situation in BD left a really bad taste in my mouth, and I've applied for a lot of visas. Also please note that the text we're discussing is regarding the Kolkata Consulate, where a maximum of 15 days are given (longer visas are issued through some other embassies, for the same cost); that's a large part of why I consider it extortionate and not just relatively expensive – cacahuate talk 19:20, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
They have the same costs as any other country that charges fees. I've had several dealings with the Bangladeshi government, and believe me this was not extortion - just sheer incompetence. Extortion is when they make you pay a bribe before accepting your income tax check (not a joke). I think you've picked a good compromise with the word "hefty". If you're carrying an American passport consider yourself blessed that most countries won't even require a visa - something few Asians enjoy. Best wishes. rms

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