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Factbook Factoids[edit]

I have moved in a whole lot of factbook factoids to give the outline some content and hopefully give people some ideas. Feel free to edit these as appropriate. -- Huttite 07:23, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

Link Bar[edit]

I'm unsure of how to post on the link bar, but I think that the Ministry of Youth, Sports and Tourism should have a link on the page. The address is http://azerbaijan.tourism.az/.

Regions Hierarchy for Azerbaijan[edit]

I removed the administrative divisions from the main page because they are not useful to the traveler and are visually overwhelming. The links, which I have copied below, should be turned into redirects to the appropriate Azerbaijani regions once we have worked out a hierarchical regional structure for the country.

This is now done. --Peter Talk 17:38, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Off the top of my head here's a stab at a travel regions hierarchy for Azerbaijan: "Absheron Peninsula and surrounding areas?," "Ganca area," "Northeast (mountains)," "Baku area," "Karabakh area," "Central Azerbaijan," and "South Azerbaijan." --Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:41, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Copied from Azerbaijan#Regions:

Administrative divisions 
(Using Official Azerbaijani names, not English names.)
59 rayons (rayonlar; rayon - singular) 
Abseron Rayonu, Agjabadi Rayonu, Agdam Rayonu, Agdas Rayonu, Agstafa Rayonu, Agsu Rayonu, Astara Rayonu, Balakan Rayonu, Barda Rayonu, Beylaqan Rayonu, Bilasuvar Rayonu, Cabrayil Rayonu, Calilabad Rayonu, Daskasan Rayonu, Davaci Rayonu, Fuzuli Rayonu, Gadabay Rayonu, Goranboy Rayonu, Goycay Rayonu, Haciqabul Rayonu, Imisli Rayonu, Ismayilli Rayonu, Kalbacar Rayonu, Kurdamir Rayonu, Lacin Rayonu, Lankaran Rayonu, Lerik Rayonu, Masalli Rayonu, Neftcala Rayonu, Oguz Rayonu, Qabala Rayonu, Qax Rayonu, Qazax Rayonu, Qobustan Rayonu, Quba Rayonu, Qubadli Rayonu, Qusar Rayonu, Saatli Rayonu, Sabirabad Rayonu, Sheki Rayonu, Salyan Rayonu, Shamaxi Rayonu, Shamkir Rayonu, Samux Rayonu, Siyazan Rayonu, Shusha Rayonu, Tartar Rayonu, Tovuz Rayonu, Ucar Rayonu, Xacmaz Rayonu, Xanlar Rayonu, Xizi Rayonu, Xocali Rayonu, Xocavand Rayonu, Yardimli Rayonu, Yevlax Rayonu, Zangilan Rayonu, Zaqatala Rayonu, Zardab Rayonu
Here are the removed cities that need to be put into the region hierarchy (preferably sooner rather than later!) -- Tim (writeme!) 10:36, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
Done. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 14:19, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
Azerbaijan regions.png

Here's my rough draft of a regions hierarchy; I would appreciate comments! Once we have settled on the hierarchy, I will turn this into a Wikitravel-style regions map.

  • Central Azerbaijan (including Absheron Peninsula)
  • Northeastern Azerbaijan
  • Sheki Region
  • Nagorno-Karabakh (and Armenian occupied territory)
  • Northwestern Azerbaijan
  • Southern Azerbaijan
  • Nakhichevan (region)

We could possibly combine the Sheki Region with the Northeast, although there are no transportation links between these two areas. I was also kind of unsure what to do with the sparsely populated center of the country. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 12:44, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Kudos on the Sheki name change!! Cupcakecommander 02:54, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

I would like to propose using these region names which coincide with the Azeri Tourism Ministry. This could be helpful if travelers need to gather information from the Tourism Office while visiting.

Rayons should also be listed for the regions. For regions like Nakhchivan, the area included is not hard to distinguish, but as it is listed now on wikitravel, it is difficult to tell where some of the borders are. This will also help avoid overlap.

My suggestion for regions would be as follows: 1. Baku - Absheron: Includes Baku, Absheron district, and Sumgayit 2. Guba - Khachmaz Region: Includes: Guba, Khachmaz, Siyazan, Devechi, & Gusar 3. Shirvan Region: Includes: Gobustan, Shamakhi, Agsu, Goychay, Ismailly, Kyurdamir, Ujar, Zardab, and Agdash 4. Mugan Region: Includes: Ali Bayramli, Beylagan, Hajigabul, Imishli, Saatly, & Sabirabad 5. Lankeran - Astara: Includes Lankaran, Astara, Bilasuvar, Jalilabad, Lerik, Masally, Neftchala, Salyan, and Yardymly 6. Sheki - Zagatala Region: Includes Sheki, Zagatala, Balaken, Gabala, Gakh, & Oghuz 7. Garabag Region: Includes Kelbajar, Terter, Barda, Agjabedi, Agdam, Khojavend, Fizuli, Jabrayil, Zangilan, Gubadli, Lachin, Shusha, & Khojali 8. Nakhchivan Region: Includes: Nakhchivan, Ordubad, Julfa, Babek, Shahbuz, Sharur, Sadarak, & Kengerli Starvinghog 07:12, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Azerbaijani Regions[edit]

A couple of suggestions..

1. I think that southern Azerbaijan should be divided between the Southeast and South central. I think that the areas are quite different, so it would be better to do that.

2. Ucar, Zardab and Kurdimir should be in the southern region.

3. Shamaxi should be included in the Center region.

4. I think that the Sheki region and the Northeast region need to be separate. Also, they have historically been separate. Cupcakecommander 23:40, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

I will follow your lead on this, as I have only spent one week in Azerbaijan! One question and I'll get started on a full regions map: How do we divide the southeast from south central? What districts where? --Peterfitzgerald Talk 23:43, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
I think that South Central should include:

Ucar, Kurdimir, Zardab, Agibadi, Fuzuli, Beylagan, and Imishli

The South East should have:

Saatly, Sabiribad, Salyan, Neftchala, Jalibad, Masally, Lankaran, Astara, Lerik, etc

Cupcakecommander 06:50, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Chage the names of the regions[edit]

There are noty such regions as Talysh region and Nagorno-Karkabakh regions.The region which refers to Nagorno-Karabakh is indeed is absolutely mis-representation. There is Greater Karabakh. Nagrono Karabakh is just part of the Greater Karabakh geographically, ethnically, and historically.

Second, there is not a region called Talysh region. Talish people are constitutent part of the Azerbaijani nation, adding up to 70 thousand people. They mostly live only in 3 administrative regions of Astara, Lenkeran and Lerik. In the rest of the region which you refer as the Talysh the majority of the population ethnically is not Talysh. So this is first of all injustice and mis-representation of facts again.

THird, I am suggesting to editors to remain aside of politics. THis is a wiki web site for tourists, not for politicians. We here in Azerbaijan do not change or name regions just becuase some foreigners or tourists like the name or it would seem interesting to them.

I am Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani. Those who don't like my name and me, are not welcome in my country. Atilla.--213.172.73.210 08:35, 14 November 2008 (EST)


Please do not make changes like this without first gaining consensus for your proposal. Please also see Wikitravel:Geographical hierarchy for information on how Wikitravel organizes its region pages. --Peter Talk 12:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Update proposal[edit]

I would like to propose using these region names which coincide with the Azeri Tourism Ministry. This could be helpful if travelers need to gather information from the Tourism Office while visiting.

Rayons should also be listed for the regions. For regions like Nakhchivan, the area included is not hard to distinguish, but as it is listed now on wikitravel, it is difficult to tell where some of the borders are. This will also help avoid overlap.

My suggestion for regions would be as follows:

  1. Baku - Absheron: Includes Baku, Absheron district, and Sumgayit
  2. Guba - Khachmaz Region: Includes: Guba, Khachmaz, Siyazan, Devechi, & Gusar
  3. Shirvan Region: Includes: Gobustan, Shamakhi, Agsu, Goychay, Ismailly, Kyurdamir, Ujar, Zardab, and Agdash
  4. Mugan Region: Includes: Ali Bayramli, Beylagan, Hajigabul, Imishli, Saatly, & Sabirabad
  5. Lankeran - Astara: Includes Lankaran, Astara, Bilasuvar, Jalilabad, Lerik, Masally, Neftchala, Salyan, and Yardymly
  6. Sheki - Zagatala Region: Includes Sheki, Zagatala, Balaken, Gabala, Gakh, & Oghuz
  7. Garabag Region: Includes Kelbajar, Terter, Barda, Agjabedi, Agdam, Khojavend, Fizuli, Jabrayil, Zangilan, Gubadli, Lachin, Shusha, & Khojali
  8. Nakhchivan Region: Includes: Nakhchivan, Ordubad, Julfa, Babek, Shahbuz, Sharur, Sadarak, & Kengerli

Starvinghog 07:12, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I'm all for using non-directional names (e.g., Northeastern Azerbaijan), so I definitely don't mind changing things a bit. We do, however, already list rayons on the region pages—I don't think it's a good idea to list them on the main Azerbaijan article, as they would start to clutter the region list. So to distill your proposal a bit, you are proposing we rename:
  • Northeastern Azerbaijan → "Guba-Khachmaz Region"
  • Shirvan Region would be made from parts of the Ganja Region, Southern Azerbaijan, & Southern Azerbaijan
  • Baku Region → "Baku-Absheron"
  • Mugan Region would be made from parts of the Talysh Region & Southern Azerbaijan
I like these four proposals, as they rename regions & redraw regions to reflect local names & local cultures.
But you have forgotten the rest of the rayons in the current Ganja Region—do you think that should be left intact, after having broken off the rayons going into the Shirvan Region? You also left out Khizhi from your proposal—should it belong to the "Shirvan Region?"
I oppose creating a Nakhchivan Region of Azerbaijan, because the vast majority of it is controlled by Armenia & the unrecognized government of Nagorno-Karabakh, and is therefore not open to visitors from Azerbaijan. I prefer to leave the current Nagorno-Karabakh section of the map as is, as it delineates, more or less, the line of control.
I also oppose the name change from Talysh Region to Lankaran-Astara—I prefer "Talysh Region" because that refers to the culture of the region, rather than simply its principal cities.
Lastly, I don't think it is necessary to rename Sheki Region to "Sheki-Zaqatala," because Sheki is overwhelmingly the most important destination in that section of the country. --Peter Talk 07:57, 23 January 2008 (EST)


Thanks for pointing out my oversite on Ganja. It should be the final region. The Tourism Ministry calls it the Ganjabasar Region. This would include: Yevlakh, Mingechevir, Goranboy, Ganja, Khanlar, Dashkesan, Samukh, Shamkir, Gadabey, Tovuz, Gazakh, and Agstafa.

Khizhi is generally grouped with the Guba-Khachmaz regions of the NE.

I agree with your idea of the Nakchivan Region would be confusing to travelers to have the occupied territories listed under Azerbaijan, but they are accepted as Azeri territories. Perhaps they should be included in a section called "Occupied Territories" also. This might have a few benefits including travel warnings. As you can imagine, this territory is a hot topic throughout Azerbaijan. Not listing it on the Azer travel page could also be perceived as a political affiliation.

I don't think the Talysh Region name needs to change. Same goes with the Sheki page. But for the Talysh Region, we should definitely include rayon names. I've never heard it referred to as the Talysh Region by locals. They go by rayon/city names. Lankeran is synonymous with SE.

In short, I think the following pages should be added: add Khizhi to Guba-Khachmaz; add a Ganjabasar Region; and an Occupied Region.

Starvinghog 08:44, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I do not agree with Starvinghog on his suggestions on the names of the region. You are talking of ,aki9ng the list of regions consistent with the list of the Ministry of Tourism, but then you are suggesting to keep the name of the region as the Talysh region. This is illogical. You don't provide any arguments for this as well. I reject your proposal. I suggest that we should be consistent with the Azerbaijan Ministry of Tourism and names of regions shall be consistent with the the names given by Azerbaijani people. This will also respect the choices and names given by Azerbaijani people. Secondaly, I am sure that non-Talysh people of the region would very much dislike to hear that they live in pse-udo region called Talysh region by a distant foreigner who has no clue on the history and ethnic composition of Azerbaijan. Second naming this region as Talysh would just confuse tourists and can create problems with the police and the local population. So if you objective is to create problems for tourists then we can go on with Peter's illogical and groundless suggestions. Atilla--213.172.73.210 02:32, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Wikitravel Presentation in Azeri[edit]

Guys, I have a recently translated explanation of Wikitravel; detailing the purpose and benefits of creating a wikitravel page in English and Azeri if any of you are interested. Just let me know and I can send it to you. Cupcakecommander 09:04, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Orphaned (and unreachable) cities[edit]

The following towns are in the Azerbaijan region of Nagorno-Karabakh, but are not actually part of the unrecognized state of Nagorno-Karabakh:

Jabrayil, Kalbajar, Lachin, Qubadli, Khojali, Khojavand, and Zangilan.

All these towns are under the full control of either the Nagorno-Karabakh separatist government or the Armenian military and, I believe, are totally closed to foreigners. Many, if not all, may also be ghost towns with no remaining places to stay. I'm not too sure what to do with these—we could change the regional structure of Azerbaijan somewhat to have a Nagorno-Karabakh region and a Armenian occupied territories region to cover these cities, but I'm not sure we should bother if no one can go to these places anyway.

Another orphaned city is Tartar, which is right by the de facto border, but is controlled by Azerbaijan. I think it would fit into Ganja Region, but I was just curious whether Azerbaijan allows travelers to visit. --Peter Talk 15:59, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

It is possible to go to Tartar city as the actual line of control is about 10 km west of it. Cupcakecommander 01:59, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Great, I've now deorphaned it. --Peter Talk 02:03, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Trans-Caucasus Itinerary[edit]

I am interested in assisting in creating a 12-15 day trans-Caucasus itinerary with Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia. Would anyone be interested in assisting me with this? Cupcakecommander 02:53, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

Visa Requirements for Azerbaijan[edit]

Any one knows what is the visa requirements for Azerbaijan ? I found a page in Ministry of Forign Affairs site of Azerbaijan but interested to see what is it actually like in real cases and experience of travellers. --Mehrdad 08:01, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Entering Azerbaijan from Georgia. All I needed to do was fill out a form, put down an address of a hotel, pay $63 (for Canadians), provide2 passprot photos and I was fine. No letter of invitation needed.

Transliteration[edit]

We are all over the place with our Azeri→English transliteration. While some consonants (like ə and ı) are odd enough where we should simply defer to the name-specific English-language standard (like Ganja), we should aim for consistency with others:

  • Cc → j
  • Çç → ch
  • Ğğ → gh
  • Xx → kh
  • Jj → y
  • Qq → q
  • Şş → sh

These are pretty much based on standard English-language transliterations of Turkish. The only one that would be at all controversial is q→q, since a lot of people seem to gravitate towards q→g, but that just makes it harder to divine what the original Azeri spelling was—there's no reason to drop the q. Any objections to using these as transliteration rules? --Peter Talk 10:01, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Azerbaijan edit conflict[edit]

copied from User talk:Peterfitzgerald#Azerbaijan edit conflict

I rolled back three edits made by an anonymous user yesterday on the Azerbaijan article (history) in an attempt to keep the working neutral regarding the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. This user redid those edits. The paragraphs have been moved and broken up, but the only significant change is the wording of NKR-related sentences (which I recently wrote). It started off as this little blurb:

The region of Nagorno-Karabakh was the subject of a war with Armenia that has left it a de facto independent republic. "Occupied" by the Armenian army, this conflict has not officially ended with minor skirmishes frequent, and is a major source of contention among Azerbaijanis.

Occupied is in quotation marks to reflect the attitude you find throughout Az. regarding the situation. I thought that was a good description of the situation and fair, but this anonymous user has changed it to:

The Nagorno-Karabakh enclave, which is part of Azerbaijan, was the subject of a war with Armenia that has left it a de facto independent republic, which is not internationally recognized, ironically including Armenia which "supports" it. Azerbaijan has lost 13% of its territory and must support some 800,000 refugees and internally displaced persons as a result of the conflict. Despite a 1994 cease-fire, Azerbaijan has yet to resolve its conflict with Armenia over the Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh enclave. Occupied by the local Armenian troops to this day, this conflict has not officially ended with minor skirmishes frequent, and is a major source of contention among Azerbaijanis. "

The user asserts in the edit summary that: "Occupied is a fact based not on politics but on the actual situation which does affect potential travellers to that area." It would be nice if, as an admin and third-party, you could please explain this to the user as I'm not sure how to best explain this to him/her and would like to avoid an edit war. Thanks. AHeneen 00:00, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

It's probably best that we discuss before continuing in light of disagreement, so I have reverted the article to the prior version per Wikitravel:Consensus#Status quo bias. I don't have any serious problems with either version in terms of reconciling them, but would strongly suggest that we significantly decrease the amount of attention paid to the N-K conflict in the understand section, as it's not terribly important background information for travelers, who would be better served by information related to the kinds of things they will see when visiting the more visited parts of the country (Baku, Sheki, Qobustan, etc.). Very few visitors are going to see anything related to the war and none will visit N-K on their Azerbaijan trip.
Also, it would be nice to shorten that intro and move some of the info to the understand section—but not the entire thing! --Peter Talk 18:37, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

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