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Guys, I don't think that we should link to a commercial site for a book, right?

Armenia Regions[edit]

Some Armenian made stubs of all the marzer, putting them at the name without "marz" (e.g. Lori Marz is at Lori). Should they be moved? Do we need marz articles, or should we have larger regions? -phma 10:18, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)

A map to illustrate the regions proposal

Here's my idea for a Regions Hierarchy for Armenia:

I think we should change the Marz articles into redirects to the new traveler-oriented regions. The one thing I feel less confident about is where to put the Aragatsotn content. It could fit as easily into Northern Armenia as Central Armenia. Or it could have some claim to be its own region I suppose. I will upload a regions map shortly to illustrate, and I'll wait a bit to see if other editors have input. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 22:02, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Well, it appears I'm the only person watching this page, so I'll just plunge forward and arrange this my way. --Peter Talk 20:40, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
A bit late, but it is a very solid breakdown of the country. I would have personally done it slightly different - I'd move Shirak out of Northern and into a Northwestern along with Aragatsotn and Armavir, then move Sevan into Central. My main reason is that people get to Shirak via Aragatsotn, and combine the sites along the way into one - whereas Shirak is almost never visited via Lori Marz. Sevan, which has comparatively little to see, and that is mostly near the NW corner of it anyway, could be lumped in with Central... Raffikojian 22:13, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Anyone mind if I make that change in regions? I don't think it will be too hard to make - so if I have the time I think it would be nice to reorganize sooner rather than later. Raffikojian 16:20, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Respect section[edit]

This section currently seems to assume that the reader is an "ordinary American", this should probably be changed.

I edited down the sentence, which was awkward anyway, but in the future feel free to plunge forward and edit the text yourself. Thanks Maj 08:56, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Stay Safe Section[edit]

There seems to be a strong desire to portray Armenia as a very safe country and the US Embassy is part of this. In reality its nothing like as safe as people might like to think or hope. both the EU office and the Embassy warn of the dangers from muggings and also scams involving ATM machines where you enter your PIN etc but the money does not appear.

If you can fix it without complaining about propaganda or introducing first-person experiences, that would help -- Colin 10:52, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
I know you will claim I am biased, but I've actually LIVED there the last ten years, and met countless travelers and expats. Yerevan is a small town, and gossip - especially something like you're describing travels VERY VERY fast. In all those years, I cannot recount more than 2 instances in which a foreigner was attempted to be robbed walking the streets - one of which was unsuccessful. So even if my memory is very faulty, I think it is safe to say your experience was exceptionally rare, and there is no big conspiracy theory at work. It IS a very safe country. Period. If that begins to change, it will change, but for now at least, it is true and your crusade to portray it is very dangerous doesn't make sense. How many others have reported this? Who is ignoring them? The police confusion, I suspect, is because they'd never been called for such a thing. It IS a safe city. Raffikojian 17:32, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Trans-Caucasus Itinerary[edit]

I am interested in assisting in creating a 12-15 day trans-Caucasus itinerary with Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia. Would anyone be interested in assisting me with this? Cupcakecommander 02:47, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

"The Well Known ATM Scams" ?[edit]

Can those who state that there are "well known ATM scams" provide some prooflinks of this "well known" facts? I've graduated University with degree in ICT in Banks and Finances, with many of my classmates working in Banks, and especialy in ArCa (Armenian Card) system which is used by local banks for providing Visa, MasterCard services and I've never heard of issues. Google also brings only Wikitravel when you search for "Yerevan ATM scam". If such problem would exist, it would also affect MasterCards. And as that sentences concetrate on "Visa cards" I suppose, it was someone's bad experience, which he thinks or tries to present is a general issue. All ATM's in Armenia are equiped with cameras, which should fix at least 3 moments, when you come close to ATM, when you put in your card, and when you take out the money. So it's also easy to check if there was a problem. --Xelgen 10:50, 17 June 2009 (EDT)


I have been living in USA for several years now.
I came to realize that Yerevan is one of the safest places in the globe.
Now about ATM scams. Anywhere in the world card users info are at risk but again in Armenia there are 1000 times more safe than in USA or EU. No one`s identity has been compromised in Armenia.
As of five years ago, the U.S. State Dept. singled out Yerevan as a place where the danger of ATM scams was especially high. I have no idea whatsoever whether that's still true. I found it indeed a very safe city—except for crossing the street ;) --Peter Talk 23:47, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

"Sleep" Section[edit]

How do you all feel about the mention of specific hotels at the national level? I generally delete all such listings. The only reason I'm reluctant to summarily delete them all in this case is that considerable effort has gone into a coherent and informative overview. However, I think it's a slippery slope, and that no specific names of sleeping accommodations should be mentioned at this level. What do you all think? Ikan Kekek 06:23, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

The prose is a good start for the Sleep section of this country. But indeed, specific names of hotel listings should go. --globe-trotter 07:00, 28 October 2011 (EDT)

Governmental system of Armenia[edit]

Is a country with contested elections indeed accurately described as a "Dictatorship"? I believe we have some polemical or perhaps nationalistically biased editing here. It seems much more accurate to describe Armenia as a troubled democracy than an actual dictatorship, and "Republic" is a reasonable short-hand, given that a long explanation of recent history is beyond the scope of an information box. Explain your edits, please, or give up. Also, if you think it's important to add some recent history of political conflict within Armenia, go ahead and insert it in the "Understand" section. Thanks. Ikan Kekek 15:27, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

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